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Ski Monkey- Help HAB pick new ones

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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So here's the deal. I've been on Rossi Soul 7s the last couple seasons, and, while there's a lot about them that I like, I've got some complaints too. I frankly haven't spent enough time on enough different current skis to have the best handle on what I want, and would like some advice.

I'd consider myself to be a pretty expert level skier, and more than anything I'm into skiing steep tree lines. I'm not a huge guy at about 6', 160lbs, and my style tends towards being pretty precise and making lots of small turns than straight line charging everything. I've done some ski touring in the past, but have recently been mostly skiing resorts. I'd like to swing the balance back to more of a 50-50 split.

I like the Rossis in maybe 4-18" of fresh snow, especially in tighter stuff, given how quick turning they are. Deeper than that, especially in wetter PNW snow, they start to lack float, and they're just not heavy and damp enough to be very good at busting through crud. They're fine on groomers if you're not trying to charge super hard. At speed, especially on harder, icier stuff the tips get pretty chattery. That's not what I want to optimize for anyway, so whatever.

I'm on Tecnica Cochise Pros for boots, so I'm set on tech or DIN binding compatibility. I think my plan is to put some relatively burly AT bindings (thinking Fritschi Techtons, though open to suggestions) on the Rossis, and then get a considerably burlier, harder charging ski, and put the alpine bindings that are currently on the Rossis on those. I'd probably still ski the Rossis in bounds some, but I'd just have more options. Does this make sense? What should I be looking at for that second set of skis?
 

Jm_

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I have some of the green highly rated K2s. They turn too quick tho.
 

rockofullr

confused
Jun 11, 2009
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I like the Rossis in maybe 4-18" of fresh snow, especially in tighter stuff, given how quick turning they are. Deeper than that, especially in wetter PNW snow, they start to lack float, and they're just not heavy and damp enough to be very good at busting through crud
I think my plan is to put some relatively burly AT bindings (thinking Fritschi Techtons, though open to suggestions) on the Rossis, and then get a considerably burlier, harder charging ski, and put the alpine bindings that are currently on the Rossis on those
You're not gonna find something that checks all the boxes. Just like bikes.

If you get something wide underfoot and with a bunch of rocker it'll get on top of the fresh snow but it'll never charge the everyday crud very well and it'll feel like poo on the firm morning groomers.

If I were you, I'd get one of Volkl's mid fat offerings unless you foresee a bunch of powder days in your future (hot tip, it's not looking good for the first half of the season, the dreaded high pressure ridge is established over the west coast and not moving). Volkl is a favorite of mine for smashing the heavy crud I ride most of the season. The stiff wood cores, durable design, and aggressive handling have always impressed me.

Blizzard is another company that I enjoy for our wet sloppy west coast snow.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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Yeah, I get that crud busting and a floaty powder ski are competing objectives. I just meant to describe what the Rossi does and doesn't do well to paint a picture of where I see it fitting into a two ski quiver. Honestly, I'm pretty okay being a relatively fair weather skier and not worrying about lousy conditions all that much. I'll just go ride a bike on those days.
 

JohnE

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Front Range, dude...
As long as they come in root beer and are not too flexy.


I am still on Salomon Hot Peppers from 10(?) years ago...they still go downhill, really fast, and when things get in my way, I turn.
 
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Full Trucker

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I've been skiing Rossi Soul 7s as everyday drivers for a couple-three seasons now and have similar feelings about them. Overall I think they're pretty darn good, with a couple short-comings the most notable of which is the chattery tips on hardpack stuff. It's also possible they don't bust through crud as well as they could, but 'crud' for me usually ends up being 'chop' or 'cut up powder' so I don't think it's as big of a deal. I'm probably looking for new skis at some point this season, and am very intradasted in checking out a few skis all in the 105-110 underfoot range. Black Crows, newer versions of the Soul 7, and ON3P are on my short list.
 

Jm_

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Ok, my skis are just sitting here in front of me, evidently they are K2 pinnacle 95s

Story is I was a HS ski racer, not a very good one, but I held my own on steep crazy terrain better than I raced. Had some Salomon GS race skis at 204cm and that seemed completely normal. I stopped skiing for at least 10 years and when I came back, everything was parabolic. Still, I only skied a few times and then I started snowboarding. A few seasons ago, I got launched hard and came down on my shoulder and tore some ligaments, I swore off serious snowboarding, not just for that, but because how screwed you are trying to get some nice powder runs in, you end up having to unbuckle all the damn time. That gets old real fast. So I picked up some downhill skis and some backcountry stuff shortly thereafter.

Still, it seems like the "get shorter skis" thing is just bullshit. The K2s are good, they'll turn in a pinch in a steep chute where you absolutely need the skis to turn fast, but opening it up on the generally more open terrain, steep or not, and they get sketchy fast. Rocker is great for chunk and powder when you have to turn fast, but sucks everywhere else. I have to think that some of this would be solved though by just getting a ski another 10-cm longer or so, the K2s are 177 and really around 179 or so when I measured them. Where they really suck, and I mean suck hard, is any kind of hard conditions, when I try to put an edge down at speed, they just skip. My Salomons never did that, nor did the K2 "extreme" skis I had shortly thereafter, although I did break said "extreme" skis in half off of a rock drop :) So I'm thinking about going with a ski that is more orientated towards harder conditions and just long enough to give me some decent float, but I think you need more length to get the carve going and maybe something a bit skinnier, but like above, it's hard to impossible to find something that works well for everything. I got some fat powder skis for backcountry and they kick ass in powder and crud. Like freaking magic, and they are at least 5" wide at the waist, maybe more.
 

rockofullr

confused
Jun 11, 2009
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Yeah, I get that crud busting and a floaty powder ski are competing objectives. I just meant to describe what the Rossi does and doesn't do well to paint a picture of where I see it fitting into a two ski quiver. Honestly, I'm pretty okay being a relatively fair weather skier and not worrying about lousy conditions all that much. I'll just go ride a bike on those days.
The real question is, how many true powder days do you think you'll get and how many cut/chopped powder days do you think you'll get.

Volkl and Blizard skis are perfect for blasting through all those heavy piles of cut up two day old powder that may or may not have been in the sun for a bit. If you want something that'll float and play in the soft snow I've been rocking a pair of Solomon Rocker 2s for fluffy snow days and they kill it.
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
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I like the Volkls I've skied with metal like the old Mantra, but I like stiffer heavy skis.
Something I tend to overlook is that PNW snow isn't SoCal snow isn't Colorado snow. I just bought a pair of 95mm low rise/flat tail metal skis with 19m radius (which is tiny, imo) for no-snow days. They're awesome but I hope I don't need use them too often!

Every chop day starts as a pow day! I look to shape more than flex, as I have no love for any soft noodle skis in any condition. Then again I'm a shitty skier so what do I know.
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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Nick,

This season I'm probably going to stick with my Volkl Mantras, as half the time I'll be skiing backwards down green runs teaching the wee one.

For next, though, do you have suggestions in the more carvy 85-90 mm arena? Something with a bit more pop, a shorter radius, sacrificing off-piste for groomer racer-boy performance since I don't get to pick which days I head up…
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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A buddy is selling a pair of near new DPS Wailer 112 RP2 Pure 3s in a 190 and will give me a smoking deal. What say ye?
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
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I think DPS' carbon (pure) skis are chattery compared to their hybrid skis. i skied the W112 and didn't like it. Plus those have a ton of taper, and very short radius. Prob why I didn't like it. I've learned from a bunch of expensive trial and error and I like heavy damp wood / metal skis for everything but great powder days.

Can you demo before you buy?
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
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I'll ask, but he's got Sasquatch feet, so I'm not sure if I can make his setup work for me without remounting the bindings.
 

6thElement

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Nick,

This season I'm probably going to stick with my Volkl Mantras, as half the time I'll be skiing backwards down green runs teaching the wee one.

For next, though, do you have suggestions in the more carvy 85-90 mm arena? Something with a bit more pop, a shorter radius, sacrificing off-piste for groomer racer-boy performance since I don't get to pick which days I head up…
Red ones.
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
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where the trails are
Nick,

This season I'm probably going to stick with my Volkl Mantras, as half the time I'll be skiing backwards down green runs teaching the wee one.

For next, though, do you have suggestions in the more carvy 85-90 mm arena? Something with a bit more pop, a shorter radius, sacrificing off-piste for groomer racer-boy performance since I don't get to pick which days I head up…
your mantras are full rocker, yes?
i'd think anything with some camber might feel 'poppy' on groomers. what's your bsl? I'll lend you something fun to try if it fits.
i think a true piste ripper ski would be a blast sometimes. then, that passes.
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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A buddy is selling a pair of near new DPS Wailer 112 RP2 Pure 3s in a 190 and will give me a smoking deal. What say ye?
Parroting what Nick said, I felt the DPS Wailer 112 that I skied on a couple of occasions were super chattery on hardpack, even more so than the Rossi S7s or Soul 7s I've owned. The newer layups might have addressed the chattery-ness, but the older ones were un-fun in anything but 3D snow i.e. powder. That said, they were hilariously fun in powder. Shape, rocker, camber, and sidecut are not all that different than the S7 lineage, to be honest. Really, the S7 changed the way a lot of skis were designed, the Wailer is right in there. Also it should be noted that every ski I've ever owned has been fairly small radius, like 19-21 meters or so. All have been rockered as well. Yeah, I haven't been skiing that long, so what do I know? Oh yeah...

Fuck all? :D
That's right.
You should get chubby red ones. :cheers:
Are we still talking about skis?
 

StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
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Nick,

This season I'm probably going to stick with my Volkl Mantras, as half the time I'll be skiing backwards down green runs teaching the wee one.

For next, though, do you have suggestions in the more carvy 85-90 mm arena? Something with a bit more pop, a shorter radius, sacrificing off-piste for groomer racer-boy performance since I don't get to pick which days I head up…
:brows:
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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your mantras are full rocker, yes?
i'd think anything with some camber might feel 'poppy' on groomers. what's your bsl? I'll lend you something fun to try if it fits.
i think a true piste ripper ski would be a blast sometimes. then, that passes.
Yeah, no camber, full rocker. BSL is 306 or 316--can't remember which size I have. Something in that range.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
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I've always thought that having a nice, modern pair of skinny skis would be a goddam hoot about 75% of the time here in Colorado. And the nice thing is you can find high-end stuff CHEAP. I strongly considered these in a 216 several years ago for $99:



Full disclosure: these aren't "turny" like those teeny-tiny skis up there... 30m+ radius. :rofl:
 
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Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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I've always thought that having a nice, modern pair of skinny skis would be a goddam hoot about 75% of the time here in Colorado. And the nice thing is you can find high-end stuff CHEAP. I strongly considered these in a 216 several years ago for $99

Full disclosure: these aren't "turny" like those teeny-tiny skis up there... 30m+ radius. :rofl:
i'm kind of torn by this. Our one big resort kind of sucks for everything, it sucks for visibility because it's always in freaking fog on the shade side of a mountain where the sun never goes higher than what most people experience at 10 am, so most of the time you can't see 10 feet in front of you on the UPPER mountain where the powder is. The powder gets skied out so damn fast that it's almost not worth it, and the one big run that is worth it is so rarely open these days due to poor snow coverage and rain, it's the longest double-black in the country supposedly and the entire north-face is a hoot in the right snow conditions, but meeting up the right snow conditions with visibility and not being all tracked out by patrol and other shenanigans is freaking impossible. What is possible is to hit some of the off-piste and still rock some of the cruiser stuff, but unless you have some of those skinnier skis, you (I) just skid across the damn slope when the snow is hard and I try to put an edge down. Then if I want to go somewhere like Whistler and ski 5000 vertical, a lot or most of it is going to be on runs like that, meaning that having the "cruiser" ski might be just the ticket. When I used to hit up all the Nor Cal resorts my two things were the steep chutes and going mach 10 on the cruisers first thing in the morning, which the latter is a blast and happens a lot more often than finding great powder or stashes. I'll probably go at least to something a little skinnier, but I have to wonder how much fun a modern GS race ski would be for just ripping down the slope at mach 10, and with that shape it's still going to float better than the crap we had 15 years ago for a little off-piste.

The rocker stuff does turn amazing, but for someone like me that is used to speed, holding an edge at speed, and so on, it's pretty much the opposite of everything I know and as soon as I'm off that real steep slope, they seem to suck again.

The answer to all of this of course is to go backcountry and get your powder fix there, it's simply a far better experience, the snow quality and conditions can be far better and you just aren't so constrained. I picked up some backcountries at REI for some stupid amount, last years that they couldn't sell that were discounted to like $200 and then it was some big % off that day so they ended up being like $150 or less, so I put on the best bindings they had and now rock those. A bit big and heavy for backcountry, but oh my god they float and I can rip downhill in the powder at SPEED, rather than have the things trying to turn all over the place. We also have a smaller resort that does a much better job of managing the snow, they open the mountain progressively when there's new snow, so the whole thing doesn't get skied out right away and everyone gets to get some great runs in, at least all the times I've went. There's also decent backcountry there. To top it off, I don't even buy tickets, I just use the free passes I got when I won the fatbike races there in the spring :)
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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Anybody have time on the Black Crows Anima? That's sounding like a pretty good compromise to me.