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Starshine Bro
Mar 19, 2014
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Crawlorado
As the bumper sticker on a truck here at work says, "Prayers, our best defense against evil." How's that working out?

Guess we are all fucked!
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
Jul 29, 2008
15,827
13,063
Some Rep. representatives in the Colorado government just introduced a bill to rescind the ban on high capacity magazines...well timed...
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
21,078
9,781
I have no idea where I am
Durrrhhh let's raffle off an AR-15 to raise money for kid's baseball...

Children in a Missouri town are selling raffle tickets offering an AR-15 assault-style rifle as the prize to raise money for their baseball team. The rifle is the same type of weapon used last week in the Florida school shooting that killed 17 people.

The raffle was launched before the shooting, but Levi Patterson, the coach of the team in Neosho for boys 9 and younger, told The Kansas City Star he plans to continue with the fundraiser.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
18,852
9,557
AK
Obviously the solution to the gun problem, particularly in school is more guns in the schools...
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/18/limbaugh-guns-schools-concealed-carry-416864

My prediction from this latest school shooting is there's not going to be any new gun laws. Instead the proposed solution will involve more guns...
When has it ever not been?

Had to explain to some really, really stupid co-workers that people who do these kinds of mass shootings do not sit down and follow rational thought processes such as, "well, if I do this and kill people, I may get shot by someone with a gun", before they commit these kinds of acts. Absolutely blows their (stupid people who voted for Trump) minds...
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
40,494
9,525
So I dont really see too many media reports about massive protests for stricter gunlaws/the NRA buying politicians etc... Does this not happen at all or is it just not getting coverage?
neither side likes a solved problem.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
40,138
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Riding the baggage carousel.
So I dont really see too many media reports about massive protests for stricter gunlaws/the NRA buying politicians etc... Does this not happen at all or is it just not getting coverage?
https://www.marchforourlives.com/

I've seen this girl give a couple different interviews. Sure seems like she has her shit together. She has a very bright future if some gun nut doesn't cut her down defending freedumb®. A couple of these kids do actually. The kids will be alright, if we can keep them alive long enough for them to unfuck it all.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/17/us/florida-student-emma-gonzalez-speech/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-students-at-floridas-douglas-high-are-amazing-communicators-that-could-save-lives/2018/02/16/b059bd1c-1333-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?utm_term=.8bbd7d65c477

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hundreds-protest-nra-headquarters-florida-school-shooting/story?id=53160714
 
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Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
23,927
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where the trails are
I've seen this girl give a couple different interviews. Sure seems like she has her shit together. She has a very bright future if some gun nut doesn't cut her down defending freedumb®. A couple of these kids do actually. The kids will be alright, if we can keep them alive long enough for them to unfuck it all.
Agreed.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
40,138
16,537
Riding the baggage carousel.
Wow.
I'm not sure you'd be eligible for a MA carry permit due to suitability concerns.
At least you're keeping an open mind:rofl:

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Hey asshole, gonna tell this little girl to "keep an open mind"? Tell her she's yelling at the sky?

"I am a freshman at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. In the days since the attack that killed 17 people here, I have continued replaying those terrifying moments in my head.

It began when a fire alarm went off just before school was supposed to end. We thought nothing of it. People in my finance class had already left, and I grabbed my backpack to evacuate. The next thing I knew I heard people running and shouting, and my teacher yelling at us to get back in the class.

I sprinted to her closet and crammed myself against shelves filled with papers and binders. The rest of the closet filled up with the other students. We thought it was an active shooter drill. It wasn’t.

My phone flooded with messages from friends and family, from other states and other countries, asking if I was O.K. The world knew what was happening even before we did. I texted my sister to make sure everything was all right with her. I checked in with my friends, and most of them were safe, or had evacuated. I texted my family and told them that I loved them.

My classmates scoured the internet, searching for news about what was happening. We found out the shooter was in the freshman building, 50 feet away from our classroom. I was busy shaking in the corner of my little bunker, trying to calm my panic, while rumors about the shooter and the victims arrived by text and Snapchat. We could hear loud noises outside. Were they gunshots? We weren’t sure.

After over an hour of confusion and heat, the police SWAT team finally came to get us.

We ran out with our phones in our pockets, and our hands over our heads. I have never run so fast. I met up with my friends and sat with them, still in shock. I saw kids crying, traumatized. At home it still didn’t feel real. We tried to watch some TV to distract ourselves. We saw celebrities and politicians talking about our school. But it didn’t feel like our school, it seemed like a movie, a dream, a nightmare.

My parents worked hard to leave war-torn Lebanon so that their children would never have to experience the violence and loss that they did. My dad was a first-aid volunteer with the Lebanese Red Cross. He continued his engineering education, worked for General Electric in France and was transferred to the United States. My family lived in Utah; Colorado, where I was born; Minnesota; and finally Florida. My parents chose Parkland to settle in because of Marjory Stoneman Douglas’s stellar reputation, and because we thought that it was a safe place to live. But that isn’t true anymore. The promise of safety and security failed us.

One week ago, nobody knew about the small suburb that was Parkland. Now every time I look up “Marjory Stoneman Douglas” on the internet, the top suggestion is “shooting.”

My friends, classmates and teachers are dead. I see the media portraying them as good children who were smart and kind, but they were much more than that.

My friend Gina is dead. I had just talked to her that morning in art class. We laughed together, we sang together, we smiled together. We will never do that again. How could someone be this despicable? When I think about it, I start bawling.

We can’t let innocent people’s deaths be in vain. We need to work together beyond political parties to make sure this never happens again. We need tougher gun laws.

If a person is not old enough to be able to rent a car or buy a beer, then he should not be able to legally purchase a weapon of mass destruction. This could have been prevented. If the killer had been properly treated for his mental illness, maybe this would not have happened. If there were proper background checks, then those who should not have guns would not have them.

We need to vote for those who are for stricter laws and kick out those who won’t take action. We need to expose the truth about gun violence and the corruption around guns. Please.

It’s devastating that this happened on Valentine’s Day, a day that’s supposed to be about love. Take this as a sign to hug your loved ones and be sure to tell them you love them every day because you never know when it will be their last.

If you have any heart, or care about anyone or anything, you need to be an advocate for change. Don’t let any more children suffer like we have. Don’t continue this cycle. This may not seem relevant to you. But next time it could be your family, your friends, your neighbors. Next time, it could be you."

Written by Christine Yared, age 15."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/florida-school-shooting-guns.html
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
6,499
2,805
Hey asshole
LOL, still butthurt?
I would've responded earlier but I needed to wash up. So. Much. Blood.

I stand by my assessment of you and your late-night talkshow politics.
Even the WaPo is calling out the BS you and your golden calf are spewing.

We just buried by business partners 20yo daughter, who was murdered by her boyfriend.
None of the 500 people at the funeral were calling for the weapon used to take her life, not a firearm, to be banned.
Instead they were focused on how the mental health system is so fucked up it allowed that motherfucker to check himself out of the pysch ward the morning he killed her.
Over the 25 years I've been fighting that system while trying to manage my brothers mental illness I don't recall a flood of crocodile tears from the likes of you.

As I've stated before, my state subjects me to the toughest background vetting in the nation.
Previously in the thread I've said I'd support, even advocate for, those standards going nation wide.
I believe there will be improvement on this end in the near future.

That said when you don your pussy hat (does it even come off anymore?) to rally for limitations on what firearms I should be able to own, here's a few points to consider:

1) The AWB was proven ineffective and was unable to stop Columbine, the root of this school shooting trend madness.
2) Fuck you.

And with that, you sanctimonious cunt, I bid you good day.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
40,494
9,525
Hey asshole, gonna tell this little girl to "keep an open mind"? Tell her she's yelling at the sky?

"I am a freshman at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. In the days since the attack that killed 17 people here, I have continued replaying those terrifying moments in my head.

It began when a fire alarm went off just before school was supposed to end. We thought nothing of it. People in my finance class had already left, and I grabbed my backpack to evacuate. The next thing I knew I heard people running and shouting, and my teacher yelling at us to get back in the class.

I sprinted to her closet and crammed myself against shelves filled with papers and binders. The rest of the closet filled up with the other students. We thought it was an active shooter drill. It wasn’t.

My phone flooded with messages from friends and family, from other states and other countries, asking if I was O.K. The world knew what was happening even before we did. I texted my sister to make sure everything was all right with her. I checked in with my friends, and most of them were safe, or had evacuated. I texted my family and told them that I loved them.

My classmates scoured the internet, searching for news about what was happening. We found out the shooter was in the freshman building, 50 feet away from our classroom. I was busy shaking in the corner of my little bunker, trying to calm my panic, while rumors about the shooter and the victims arrived by text and Snapchat. We could hear loud noises outside. Were they gunshots? We weren’t sure.

After over an hour of confusion and heat, the police SWAT team finally came to get us.

We ran out with our phones in our pockets, and our hands over our heads. I have never run so fast. I met up with my friends and sat with them, still in shock. I saw kids crying, traumatized. At home it still didn’t feel real. We tried to watch some TV to distract ourselves. We saw celebrities and politicians talking about our school. But it didn’t feel like our school, it seemed like a movie, a dream, a nightmare.

My parents worked hard to leave war-torn Lebanon so that their children would never have to experience the violence and loss that they did. My dad was a first-aid volunteer with the Lebanese Red Cross. He continued his engineering education, worked for General Electric in France and was transferred to the United States. My family lived in Utah; Colorado, where I was born; Minnesota; and finally Florida. My parents chose Parkland to settle in because of Marjory Stoneman Douglas’s stellar reputation, and because we thought that it was a safe place to live. But that isn’t true anymore. The promise of safety and security failed us.

One week ago, nobody knew about the small suburb that was Parkland. Now every time I look up “Marjory Stoneman Douglas” on the internet, the top suggestion is “shooting.”

My friends, classmates and teachers are dead. I see the media portraying them as good children who were smart and kind, but they were much more than that.

My friend Gina is dead. I had just talked to her that morning in art class. We laughed together, we sang together, we smiled together. We will never do that again. How could someone be this despicable? When I think about it, I start bawling.

We can’t let innocent people’s deaths be in vain. We need to work together beyond political parties to make sure this never happens again. We need tougher gun laws.

If a person is not old enough to be able to rent a car or buy a beer, then he should not be able to legally purchase a weapon of mass destruction. This could have been prevented. If the killer had been properly treated for his mental illness, maybe this would not have happened. If there were proper background checks, then those who should not have guns would not have them.

We need to vote for those who are for stricter laws and kick out those who won’t take action. We need to expose the truth about gun violence and the corruption around guns. Please.

It’s devastating that this happened on Valentine’s Day, a day that’s supposed to be about love. Take this as a sign to hug your loved ones and be sure to tell them you love them every day because you never know when it will be their last.

If you have any heart, or care about anyone or anything, you need to be an advocate for change. Don’t let any more children suffer like we have. Don’t continue this cycle. This may not seem relevant to you. But next time it could be your family, your friends, your neighbors. Next time, it could be you."

Written by Christine Yared, age 15."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/florida-school-shooting-guns.html
nothing short of an amendment banning guns....

why was that kids school experiemce so bad it drove him to want to kill 17 kids?
 
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Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
40,138
16,537
Riding the baggage carousel.
Of course they have. There is no depravity too low for someone for whom an AR-15 is more important than the life of a kid.

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I rest my case
LOL, still butthurt?
I would've responded earlier but I needed to wash up. So. Much. Blood.

I stand by my assessment of you and your late-night talkshow politics.
Even the WaPo is calling out the BS you and your golden calf are spewing.

We just buried by business partners 20yo daughter, who was murdered by her boyfriend.
None of the 500 people at the funeral were calling for the weapon used to take her life, not a firearm, to be banned.
Instead they were focused on how the mental health system is so fucked up it allowed that motherfucker to check himself out of the pysch ward the morning he killed her.
Over the 25 years I've been fighting that system while trying to manage my brothers mental illness I don't recall a flood of crocodile tears from the likes of you.

As I've stated before, my state subjects me to the toughest background vetting in the nation.
Previously in the thread I've said I'd support, even advocate for, those standards going nation wide.
I believe there will be improvement on this end in the near future.

That said when you don your pussy hat (does it even come off anymore?) to rally for limitations on what firearms I should be able to own, here's a few points to consider:

1) The AWB was proven ineffective and was unable to stop Columbine, the root of this school shooting trend madness.
2) Fuck you.

And with that, you sanctimonious cunt, I bid you good day.
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
23,927
14,442
where the trails are
Of course they have. There is no depravity too low for someone for whom an AR-15 is more important than the life of a kid.

Edit:

I rest my case
I'm sickened by another mass shooting.

Come on 'squeeb .... starting the name calling pretty much ends any reasonable argument/debate.

Some reasonable new measures might be; if every state moved to FOID, and 100% of sales/transfers requiring background check and or a licensed dealer, and maybe minimum age for non-veterans was raised ... that would be a start. Someone who wanted a gun for ANY reason and who could qualify would have the right. Someone who did not qualify simply would not.

We take rights away from US citizens every day. This should be no different.

Devil's advocate: if the shooter killed "only" 5 kids with a shotgun, would people be talking about the shotgun? No.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
40,138
16,537
Riding the baggage carousel.
Come on 'squeeb .... starting the name calling pretty much ends any reasonable argument/debate.
Do you think this counts as non-personal, reasonable argument?

Wow.
I'm not sure you'd be eligible for a MA carry permit due to suitability concerns.
At least you're keeping an open mind:rofl:

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But you're right. My fault.
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
23,927
14,442
where the trails are
Do you think this counts as non-personal, reasonable argument?



But you're right. My fault.
Well, no. I don't. But calling somebody an asshole because they pushed your buttons didn't help.

I have a tough time with this topic, as do many I'd think, because I see valid arguments on both sides. I'm just saying that keeping a cool head prevails, usually. I believe the goal of a debate, the "win" if there can be one, is to try and change someone's perspective or opinion, or open them to the possibility.