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Starshine Bro
Mar 19, 2014
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I posted it somewhere in this thread, but the effectiveness of the .223 round and it's subsequent selection by the military is detailed in the development of the M16 rifle. In short, the .223 velocity is high enough to be ballistically stable over long distances, but the round is light enough that it doesn't just pass through the human body. Hitting a body causes it to tumble and create much more surrounding tissue damage than heavier rounds that will remain stable and pass through. This isn't totally unique to the .223 as there are plenty of other guns that use this round, but the semi-automatic, high capacity nature of the AR-15 (chambered in .223 of course) means it is very well suited to this type of attack.
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
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where the trails are
We had armed, uniformed cops in my high school every day. I always felt my neighborhood was a safe one, definitely safer than others, but regardless we had tons of issues in a school of about 3,500 kids. This was in the mid-80s. The older I got I started to learn that it was NOT normal to have cops with guns in your school. To hear this debated again doesn't seem outlandish to me. But, these were cops, not teachers, or retired military .. cops.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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This really is the best pro-gun argument out there. Clearly any man who is not into guns lacks masculinity, that can only come from a phallic piece of steel that spews freedom. Pew, pew, pew, skeet, skeet, skeet.
That wasn't where I was going with that reference.
The #resist movement epitomized by the pussy hats is just the next version of #occupy, where people reside in a permanent state of outrage and complain about things they don't like.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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If you know so well how fucked up the mental health care system is and youve been fighting it for 25 years you must be a special kind of stupid to not want more regulations on guns...
The solution to mental illness is not to regulate the sane.
We don't have the stomach for the real solution, which is to restrict their access to society.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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Not this same specious argument yet again.
It was a cleaver, so pretty much right in line with intended use. Not that it matters.

Guns can take lives, or save lives depending on how you look at it.
As evidenced by the LEO failures both on the front and back ends of this event, and several of the preceding ones, it's clear they merely react to crime rather than prevent it.

I've seen enough genuine evil in my life, both here and abroad, that I prefer to not let others determine my fate.
You want to live your life another way, I'm cool with that as it's your life to lose.

But your views on our laws, as a non american, mean nothing to me.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
That wasn't where I was going with that reference.
The #resist movement epitomized by the pussy hats is just the next version of #occupy, where people reside in a permanent state of outrage and complain about things they don't like.

We should just accept the mass murder of children I guess.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
I prefer to not let others determine my fate.

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I prefer a corporate lobbying group not determine my fate.

Do you feel as though your fate is being infringed because you can't easily buy a fully automatic weapon? Do you think families who had loved ones murdered feel like someone else controlled their fate?