This is what's wrong with The Industry™
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It takes awhile to understand this. When I got back into mountain biking, around '85, my friend had a $1000 titanium bike. I laughed my ass off. I told him I could go to kmart and get a bike for $150. He said go ahead. I did.
It weighed 50 lbs, to his 18lb
The first ride, the derailleur snapped, the chain broke and the handlebars bent and drooped down thru a g-out (mild steel doesn't snap, take that carbon). I still resisted High end and moved up to a $500 GT Karakoram. better, but i still started breaking stuff. At least the frame was decent enough to hang better parts on.
That's what I recommend to people, at least get a good frame with crappy parts. You can upgrade as you need and learn and decide how far you want to go. If you end up hanging it in your garage and taking it out on the culdesac on the weekends, there's no such thing as unsafe damping.
Apro makes frames for quite a number of well known brands. A pretty decent sized company.Aside from Taokas, did you see the bike brands manufactured by A-pro?
Darren of Suntour North America is a really nice and helpful guy. I pester him about my older model durolux rc2 and he always replies promptly.
maybe I'll see Darren at Otter and he'll have the trick shock
Nobody but Haliburton cares what i say....careful you don't say too much...
So thanks to the crackdown on buying from overseas suppliers, plus our sales taxes in Australia the Fox DPX2 retails for $830 AUD (US$654). Do you think they could chuck in 30cents worth of plastic formed into volume spacers that are essential for setting the shock up? Nah, that will be another $60 please. DVO chucks in spacers with the cheaper Topaz. Not sure about the RockShox offerings, but their forks come with volume spacers and spare seals. Fox used to chuck in spare springs with the retail version of the 40, but thats not really required any more.
What happened to the freebies/bonus stuff in the industry? I'm not sure if anyone here remembers but when the Ironhorse Sunday WC was first released it came with both Easton Flatboy pedals AND a set a of Mallet clips. Now most $6000 bike don't even come with a spare mech hanger or plastic pedals (my Kona came with a spare hanger, which doesn't quite make up for selling it with the crappy shock). Guerilla Gravity throw in a shirt with their bikes, Turner gave me a pint glass with one of my DHR frames (dunno if that still happens) and some of my old bikes came with touch-up paint and spare bits and pieces. Now you buy a new bike and the first thing you've got to do is drop $250 on getting the spring rates right, and if you snap a mech hanger on your first ride you're straight back to the shop for a $30 - $50 chunk of aluminium.
What happened to the freebies/bonus stuff in the industry? I'm not sure if anyone here remembers but when the Ironhorse Sunday WC was first released it came with both Easton Flatboy pedals AND a set a of Mallet clips. Now most $6000 bike don't even come with a spare mech hanger or plastic pedals (my Kona came with a spare hanger, which doesn't quite make up for selling it with the crappy shock). Guerilla Gravity throw in a shirt with their bikes, Turner gave me a pint glass with one of my DHR frames (dunno if that still happens) and some of my old bikes came with touch-up paint and spare bits and pieces. Now you buy a new bike and the first thing you've got to do is drop $250 on getting the spring rates right, and if you snap a mech hanger on your first ride you're straight back to the shop for a $30 - $50 chunk of aluminium.
The last couple Fox items I bought (a Float X2 and a 40) both came with enough volume spacers to max them out. The 36s don't seem to though, so I guess it's hit or miss.
Totally agreed that that stuff should be standard. The funniest freebie I can think of from recent memory was a raw Nicolai frame, which came with a scotch brite pad to buff out scuffs (and a spare derailleur hanger).
Totally agreed that that stuff should be standard. The funniest freebie I can think of from recent memory was a raw Nicolai frame, which came with a scotch brite pad to buff out scuffs (and a spare derailleur hanger).
I have got a shock pump with each Devinci frame I bought. The Troy actually came with extra matching stickers for the Monarch and a RS fork, sadly (?) I went for Fox suspensions then so I felt a little bit robbed 
From pinkbike about the new stumpy:
"The leverage curve has been made a little less progressive to provide a more supple action at the beginning of the stroke, with more support in the midstroke, a change which moves it close to how a coil shock performs according to Specialized"
"The leverage curve has been made a little less progressive to provide a more supple action at the beginning of the stroke, with more support in the midstroke, a change which moves it close to how a coil shock performs according to Specialized"
You could quote that entire page in here. So much marble mouth bullcrap being spewed out there. Especially the part where dude is explaining why they went with the single sided frame design thing.From pinkbike about the new stumpy:
"The leverage curve has been made a little less progressive to provide a more supple action at the beginning of the stroke, with more support in the midstroke, a change which moves it close to how a coil shock performs according to Specialized"
Oh and the seat stay brace is 8% stiffer!!!!!
My favorite part was:From pinkbike about the new stumpy:
"The leverage curve has been made a little less progressive to provide a more supple action at the beginning of the stroke, with more support in the midstroke, a change which moves it close to how a coil shock performs according to Specialized"
"We basically had no f-ing idea what we were doing and didn't even design any stiffness in the previous frames!"
https://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/Graves-Keene-Test-the-New-Specialized-Stumpjumper,35325/sspomer,2
Jared Graves at 6:16: "This is still way bigger than what I was racing on four years ago. When I think about it, the bigger my bikes have gotten it seems like the less in control I've felt in certain situations"
Jared Graves at 6:16: "This is still way bigger than what I was racing on four years ago. When I think about it, the bigger my bikes have gotten it seems like the less in control I've felt in certain situations"
To be honest I just skimmed through the article and looked briefly at the pictures/charts then had a quick look at the comment section to see that it levelled at the same usual level of stupidity...
I like how specialized somehow kills its own market by presenting a bike (actually 3) at the beginning of the season when shops are filled with other now outdated bikes that should have been sold soon...
I like how specialized somehow kills its own market by presenting a bike (actually 3) at the beginning of the season when shops are filled with other now outdated bikes that should have been sold soon...
I loved that they finally admitted that the alloy frame was better (stiffer and same weight) than the carbon frame with the storage hole. All the goons who paid so much more for the carbon and it was all just to be able to stick stuff in the downtube and make it even heavier.
That just means the industry has finally caught up to what fast riders needed. Graves is a pretty average height dude. He should be on a medium but he had to ride a large to get the reach he wanted for fast stuff.
Here's the saddest part. Notice. Caveat. I don't know anybody at S and I am not defending them.
But WTF, they HAVE engineers that kinda know a little bit. They've HAD stiffness tests for at least decades.
They probably developed a NEW test to confirm what riders have been telling them.
but the pr guys have no clue
While consistently getting his ass handed to him by an Australian dude right around the same height riding a pretty normal reach medium sized frame designed by a couple of irish blokes working for a warehouse based bikeshop.
M'kay Jared
In his defense, the reach on the 2017 Stumpjumper is really short, 413mm vs 431mm for the large.
But you knew that was eventually coming.$400 Carbon Walmart bike!!!!
Who's getting one
I'm sure they'll have dropper posts soon. Seriously, all they have to do is mate an office chair with a bike.
https://www.bikerumor.com/2018/04/19/soc18-syncros-silverton-sl-weaves-one-piece-full-carbon-1250g-mountain-bike-wheels/
Best part of the whole lizard word vomit:
Yet they’re 35% more impact resistant than steel spokes, thanks to a three-layer construction. And if you did break one, chances are you could still ride out of the trail.
Oh cool. I'm glad that if I broke a spoke on my three thousand five hundred dollar wheelset and thus ruined the entire wheel, the chances are I could ride it out. Its the small victories boys. That sounds almost as good as being able to spend $.90 on a new spoke and be right as rain. Seems like a pretty minor difference.
Best part of the whole lizard word vomit:
Yet they’re 35% more impact resistant than steel spokes, thanks to a three-layer construction. And if you did break one, chances are you could still ride out of the trail.
Oh cool. I'm glad that if I broke a spoke on my three thousand five hundred dollar wheelset and thus ruined the entire wheel, the chances are I could ride it out. Its the small victories boys. That sounds almost as good as being able to spend $.90 on a new spoke and be right as rain. Seems like a pretty minor difference.
What they don't tell you is that you're likely to be able to do the same on a regular crabon rim with plain ol' steel spokes. I have personal experience with this, and I had *3* broken spokes. Rim stayed true. Even with a descent in the gnar.
@stoney, @Adventurous, and @Full Trucker can vouch. They were on the ride...
3500 dollarydoos
Now that was an awesome ride.
Concur.
I'm still trying to figure out how you're fresh to altitude ass killed us all on the climb.
He learned from Lance.
Climb? You guys are just hiking!
Looks like you are the prime customers for this new invention of The Industry: e-Bikes.
I'm a prime ebike customer. Not having to ride up that shit sounds fucking awesome.
Call me a wuss, but I ride mountain bikes for the fun and focus they bring, not so that I can vomit through my nose at the top of a climb so that I can look around, clap my hands, and say "worth it." Because that shit is definitely not worth it.
Ideally every hill in America would have a chairlift though, and then my bike could still be light.
Call me a wuss, but I ride mountain bikes for the fun and focus they bring, not so that I can vomit through my nose at the top of a climb so that I can look around, clap my hands, and say "worth it." Because that shit is definitely not worth it.
Ideally every hill in America would have a chairlift though, and then my bike could still be light.
Ha!Climb? You guys are just hiking!
Looks like you are the prime customers for this new invention of The Industry: e-Bikes.
That climb and the section in the picture tops out at about 18* and at ... 13,000'?
Come & bring you a-game lungs!
Which is better, a bike with a missing link, or a bike with a living link? Because apparently Spot Brand's new bike has a living link.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Spot-Brands-New-Rollik-607-Has-a-Very-Unique-Suspension-Design-Sea-Otter-Classic,2316
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Spot-Brands-New-Rollik-607-Has-a-Very-Unique-Suspension-Design-Sea-Otter-Classic,2316
That companies local and one of my friends has that shorter travel frame. They rave about it, interesting design I'd like to ride one.
And Spot is one of the few mfg'rs (along with GG) that does usable "real" seat tube angles. Something in the water?
