[The Toninator]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/852248.asp?vts=012220031035
So is the whole world going to hate us if this happens?
Is it our responsibility to force world policy and do the dirty work other countries are too wimpy to attempt?
Are we actually just trying to strong arm another nation and impose our own will?
Or are we actually protecting the interest of the Iraqi people and the people of the world?

 

[patconnole]

Here is a great (albeit liberal) analysis of the "coming war".
http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/commentary/2003/0301warreasons.html

Please read all-- quite interesting.


I don't think the whole world will hate us.... This will just be another straw on the camel's back. Not the last straw, but I think people who in their lifetimes witness a US/UK invasion and occupation of Iraq, and then see a similar situation arise again at some other strategic location of "national interest"..... I think a more widespread resentment will develop of the US.

As our leaders tend to say, "make no mistake about it," this is a war for oil. Whether oil for our SUVs, industry, military, energy, our way of life, and possibly more important, for CONTROL of the oil tap-- it all boils down to that sticky black crap.

This dirty work that other countries are too wimpy to do.... It has nothing to do with WMD, disarming, spreading freedom and democracy. As the whitehouse press secretary says when asked why we think Iraq poses a threat to the US, "I think the best guide is history. The best guide is what Saddam Hussein has done in the past, where he has attacked his neighbors", and from our own history, we can see that spreading freedom and democracy has been far from first on our list foreign policy priorities. (See Kissinger, Chile', Iran, Panama, East Timor, etc, etc, etc)

What is first on our list is preventing the rise of a competitive superpower..... So in that sense, this is a task we have put upon ourselves, and is nothing comparable to a moral or humanitarian responsiblity the world faces, but only the US can attempt. If this were such a case, why is there such a backlash against it? (France, Germany, the US peace movement) Wouldn't all the countries get together and agree that the Iraqi people need to be saved from their dictator, and agree to remove him for humanitarian purposes?

blah blah blah.

 

[The Toninator]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/842500.asp?vts=012220031140

Germany, France agree on Iraq

 

[Spud]

Stolen from whitehouse.org

 

[DRB]

Originally posted by The Toninator
Germany, France agree on Iraq

Yes Germany and France are so well known for having the best interests of the world at heart when making foreign policy decisions.

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by The Toninator
http://www.msnbc.com/news/842500.asp?vts=012220031140

Germany, France agree on Iraq

My favorite part was "President Bush on Wednesday warned Iraqi military commanders not to unleash chemical or biological weapons on invading U.S. troops. "

Well sh!t... while he's at it, why doesn't he just warn them against fighting back at all? Of course they're going to defend themselves with everything they've got. We're INVADING! If they don't use chem and bio weapons against our troops, I would take that to mean that they don't have any (which would mean we invaded for false reasons). Since when did Saddam Hussein develop scruples about how he kills his enemies? Last time I checked, the dude was a psycho with no regard for human life....

What a putz.

 

[spincrazy]

Originally posted by patconnole
Here is a great (albeit liberal) analysis of the "coming war".
http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/commentary/2003/0301warreasons.html

Please read all-- quite interesting.


I don't think the whole world will hate us.... This will just be another straw on the camel's back. Not the last straw, but I think people who in their lifetimes witness a US/UK invasion and occupation of Iraq, and then see a similar situation arise again at some other strategic location of "national interest"..... I think a more widespread resentment will develop of the US.

As our leaders tend to say, "make no mistake about it," this is a war for oil. Whether oil for our SUVs, industry, military, energy, our way of life, and possibly more important, for CONTROL of the oil tap-- it all boils down to that sticky black crap.

This dirty work that other countries are too wimpy to do.... It has nothing to do with WMD, disarming, spreading freedom and democracy. As the whitehouse press secretary says when asked why we think Iraq poses a threat to the US, "I think the best guide is history. The best guide is what Saddam Hussein has done in the past, where he has attacked his neighbors", and from our own history, we can see that spreading freedom and democracy has been far from first on our list foreign policy priorities. (See Kissinger, Chile', Iran, Panama, East Timor, etc, etc, etc)

What is first on our list is preventing the rise of a competitive superpower..... So in that sense, this is a task we have put upon ourselves, and is nothing comparable to a moral or humanitarian responsiblity the world faces, but only the US can attempt. If this were such a case, why is there such a backlash against it? (France, Germany, the US peace movement) Wouldn't all the countries get together and agree that the Iraqi people need to be saved from their dictator, and agree to remove him for humanitarian purposes?

blah blah blah.

This here's a smart one

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by patconnole
If this were such a case, why is there such a backlash against it? (France, Germany, the US peace movement) Wouldn't all the countries get together and agree that the Iraqi people need to be saved from their dictator, and agree to remove him for humanitarian purposes?

No matter what kind of war or international incident it is....people like yourself and others will always always go out into the streets and say "Peace, and no War". Just my opinion.

 

[Eddie420]

Originally posted by The Toninator
http://www.msnbc.com/news/852248.asp?vts=012220031035
So is the whole world going to hate us if this happens?
Is it our responsibility to force world policy and do the dirty work other countries are too wimpy to attempt?
Are we actually just trying to strong arm another nation and impose our own will?
Or are we actually protecting the interest of the Iraqi people and the people of the world?

Umm sorry to ruin your party but the world already does hate America

 

[Ridemonkey]

You guys seriously need to do a little research.

Do you really have ANY idea what goes on over in Iraq?

 

[spincrazy]

Originally posted by Ridemonkey
You guys seriously need to do a little research.

Do you really have ANY idea what goes on over in Iraq?

yes, and?

Damn I hate this forum. No matter how hard I try to stay away....

 

[spincrazy]

Originally posted by Freak
No matter what kind of war or international incident it is....people like yourself and others will always always go out into the streets and say "Peace, and no War". Just my opinion.

So? What are you trying to say here?

When people like myself, I can only speak for myself really, feel that their government is doing things contrary to how they believe they should be behaving AS ELECTED OFFICIALS and REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE, then yes. I will stand in the street and cry foul.

 

[manimal]

Originally posted by spincrazy

I can only speak for myself really, feel that their government is doing things contrary to how they believe they should be behaving AS ELECTED OFFICIALS and REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE, then yes. I will stand in the street and cry foul.

......and cry, and cry, and cry.........

while the rest of us do something worthwhile

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by spincrazy
So? What are you trying to say here?

When people like myself, I can only speak for myself really, feel that their government is doing things contrary to how they believe they should be behaving AS ELECTED OFFICIALS and REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE, then yes. I will stand in the street and cry foul.

What am I trying to say?....I said it....people like yourself and others will always go out and say "Peace, not War" always...no matter what it is about.

It's just what I see...I see it and I just laugh...nobody is going to sway my opinion or how I feel about what is going on by standing on the sidewalk with signs or whatever...

 

[eric strt6]

It's really simple, we have a govenrment illegally in power that flaunts UN resolutions and international outcry and something needs to be done.




















What you thought I was talking about Iraq? hell no I'm talking about Bush

 

[Ridemonkey]

Originally posted by spincrazy
yes, and?

Damn I hate this forum. No matter how hard I try to stay away....

Iraq is a country whos entire populace lives in terror of its own government. Torture and murder are the means by which Saddam Hussein governs that country.

Here are some facts:
-Before Saddam Hussein came to power, he studied the methods of Hitler and Stalin.

-Shortly after Saddams rise to power (over 20 years ago), Iraqi Jews were hung in the streets of Baghdad.

-Iraq is the only country in the world that has government employed, licensed rapists. Rape is just one of the methods of keeping the populace in check through fear.

-Torture is standard procedure. Think horrible death on an unimaginable scale.

-Fathers are rewarded by the government for murdering their sons, if their sons refuse to serve in the military.

-The population is poor, uneducated, and unhealthy, while Saddam and his crew live in luxury.

-During the 1990's weapons inspections, THOUSANDS OF TONS of chemical weapon agents were destroyed. All inspectors are in agreement: it is not possible that they found it all.

-During the 1990's weapons inspections, inspectors found that Iraq had continued to import ballistic missile technology despite the Gulf War treaties.

Saddam Hussein is a mad man. He tortures and kills his own people, his own family for that matter. It is a well known fact that he has chemical weapons. It is very likely that he has pursued both biological and nuclear weapons as well. It is pretty plain to see that Saddam would use these weapons against anyone who ticked him off.

So if there is some compelling reason that Saddams regime needs to be preserved - I must be missing it.

 

[Joe Pozer]

How does everybody feel about assassination? I believe that it's not legal to assassinate a foreign leader but why wouldn't we do that if it means much less deaths and you take out Hussein?

 

[Ridemonkey]

Originally posted by Joe Pozer
How does everybody feel about assassination? I believe that it's not legal to assassinate a foreign leader but why wouldn't we do that if it means much less deaths and you take out Hussein?

There has been a great series of shows on the History channel about everything that has gone on in Iraq since the Gulf War. If I remember correctly, we tried it.

Trouble is Saddam knows everyone is after him. He actually uses a double for a lot of his public appearances.

I'm for it. Stop the insanity!

 

[manimal]

Originally posted by Joe Pozer
How does everybody feel about assassination? I believe that it's not legal to assassinate a foreign leader but why wouldn't we do that if it means much less deaths and you take out Hussein?

good luck man. they've been trying that for a while. even offering rewards to iraqi citizens to off him. the man isn't easy to kill, he's a mad man, but a survivor too.

 

[Ridemonkey]

Report from the UK government:

Iraq is a terrifying place to live. People are in constant fear of being denounced as opponents of the regime.

They are encouraged to report on the activities of family and neighbours. The security services can strike at any time. Arbitrary arrests and killings are commonplace.

Between three and four million Iraqis, about 15% of the population, have fled their homeland rather than live under Saddam Hussein's regime.

These grave violations of human rights are not the work of a number of overzealous individuals but the deliberate policy of the regime.

Fear is Saddam's chosen method for staying in power. This report, based on the testimony of Iraqi exiles, evidence gathered by UN rapporteurs and human rights organisations, and intelligence material, describes the human cost of Saddam Hussein's control of Iraq.

It examines in turn Iraq's record on torture, the treatment of women, prison conditions, arbitrary and summary killings, the persecution of the Kurds and the Shia, the harassment of opposition figures outside Iraq and the occupation of Kuwait.

The United Nations Security Council and the UN Commission on Human Rights have repeatedly, over many years, condemned Iraq's human rights record. But Iraq continues to flout UN resolutions and to ignore its international human rights commitments.

On 19 April 2002, the UN Commission on Human Rights passed a resolution drawing attention to "the systematic, widespread and extremely grave violations of human rights and of international humanitarian law by the Government of Iraq, resulting in an all-pervasive repression and oppression sustained by broad-based discrimination and widespread terror."

On torture:

Torture is systematic in Iraq. The most senior figures in the regime are personally involved.

Saddam Hussein runs Iraq with close members of his own family and a few associates, most of whom come from his hometown of Tikrit.

These are the only people he feels he can trust. He directly controls the security services and, through them and a huge party network, his influence reaches deep into Iraqi society.

All real authority rests with Saddam and his immediate circle. Saddam is head of state, head of government, leader of Iraq's only political party and head of the armed forces.

Saddam presides over the all-powerful Revolutionary Command Council, which enacts laws and decrees and overrides all other state institutions.

Several RCC decrees give the security agencies full powers to suppress dissent with impunity.

An RCC decree of 21 December 1992 guarantees immunity for Ba'ath party members who cause damage to property, bodily harm and even death when pursuing enemies of the regime.

Saddam has, through the RCC, issued a series of decrees establishing severe penalties (amputation, branding, cutting off of ears, or other forms of mutilation) for criminal offences.

In mid-2000, the RCC approved amputation of the tongue as a new penalty for slander or abusive remarks about the President or his family.

These punishments are practised mainly on political dissenters. Iraqi TV has broadcast pictures of these punishments as a warning to others.

According to an Amnesty International report published in August 2001, "torture is used systematically against political detainees. The scale and severity of torture in Iraq can only result from the acceptance of its use at the highest level."

Over the years, Amnesty and other human rights organisations have received thousands of reports of torture and interviewed numerous torture victims.

Although Iraqi law forbids the practice of torture, the British Government is not aware of a single case of an Iraqi official suspected of carrying out torture being brought to justice.

Treatment of women and children:

Under Saddam Huseein's regime women lack even the basic right to life. A 1990 decree allows male relatives to kill a female relative in the name of honour without punishment.

Women have been tortured, ill-treated and in some cases summarily executed too, according to Amnesty International.

The dossier says that BBC correspondent John Sweeney said he had met six witnesses with direct experience of child torture, including the crushing of a two-year-old girl's feet.

Prison conditions:

Conditions for political prisoners in Iraq are inhumane and degrading.

At the "Mahjar" prison "prisoners are beaten twice a day and the women regularly raped by their guards.

Arbitrary and summary killings:

Executions are carried out without due process of law. relatives are often prevented from burying the victims in accordance with Islamic practice and have even been charged for the bullets used.

Persecution of the Kurds:

Under Saddam's rule Iraq's Kurdish communities have experienced terrible suffering.

Documents captured by the Kurds during the Gulf War and handed over to the non-governmental oprganisation Human Rights Watch provided much information about Saddam's persecution of the Kurds. They detail the arrest and execution in 1983 of 8,000 Kurdish males aged 13 and upwards.

Persecution of the Shia community:

The Shia community, who make up 60% of Iraq's population is Iraq's biggest religious group.

Saddam has ensured that none of the Shia religious or tribal leaders is able to threaten his position. He kills any that become too prominent.

Harassment of the Opposition outside Iraq:

The UN Special Rapporteur has received numerous reports of harassment, intimidation and threats against the families of opposition members living abroad.

Occupation of Kuwait:

Iraq invaded Kuwait on 2 August 1990. Iraqi forces committed robbery, raped Kuwaities and expatriates and carried out summary executions. Amnesty International documented many other abuses during the occupation of Kuwait.

Methods of torture:


Eye gouging

Piercing of hands with electric drill

Suspended from ceiling by their wrists

Electric shock

Sexual abuse

Mock executions

Acid baths

Conclusion:

This dossier does not include every Iraqi's personal story of suffering, caused by Saddam's regime, known to the British Government.

There are sadly far too many to mention them all. But the evidence in the dossier is a faithful representation of what ordinary Iraqis face in their daily lives.

It is no wonder that, according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in 2001, Iraqis have become the second largest group of refugees in the world.

Iraqis also top the table of foreign nationals seeking asylum in the UK.

Saddam Hussein has been ruthless in his treatment of any opposition to him since his rise to power in 1979.

A cruel and callous disregard for human life and suffering remains the hallmark of his regime.

 

[spincrazy]

No one is saying Iraq, or it's government more specificaly, are good guys. Quote attrocities forever, but don't forget Africa or Panama or N. Korea or countless other countries and peoples that are severely oppressed. What is OUR beef that we must go to war? What's the impending war about? Why now? Why us? That's all I was refering to.
Oh, and that Bush is a tard.

 

[spincrazy]

Originally posted by Freak
What am I trying to say?....I said it....people like yourself and others will always go out and say "Peace, not War" always...no matter what it is about.

It's just what I see...I see it and I just laugh...nobody is going to sway my opinion or how I feel about what is going on by standing on the sidewalk with signs or whatever...

Those people aren't trying to sway you - only make it known that what is being done is contrary to their views.

There are definately band wagoners and those that organize the events that have other motives at hand, but what's wrong with standing up and saying "No I do not agrre"? What's wrong with an opposing view? Protests are just that, protests. What other forum for the airing of opposition, the news media?!!? LOL.

 

[Ridemonkey]

Originally posted by spincrazy
No one is saying Iraq, or it's government more specificaly, are good guys. Quote attrocities forever, but don't forget Africa or Panama or N. Korea or countless other countries and peoples that are severely oppressed. What is OUR beef that we must go to war? What's the impending war about? Why now? Why us? That's all I was refering to.
Oh, and that Bush is a tard.

Panama?

If terrorists get their hands on a nuke, or some anthrax, or a chemical weapon, where do you think its going to come from?

Imagine what would have happened if Hitler had such weapons.

Weapons of mass distruction in the hands of a madman is a problem. Do we do something about it now, or after a devastating attack?

Did yo know 100 grams of Anthrax could kill 500,000 people in NYC? Does that concern you?

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by spincrazy
Those people aren't trying to sway you - only make it known that what is being done is contrary to their views.

There are definately band wagoners and those that organize the events that have other motives at hand, but what's wrong with standing up and saying "No I do not agrre"? What's wrong with an opposing view? Protests are just that, protests. What other forum for the airing of opposition, the news media?!!? LOL.

dude...you're reading into my statement to much....I never said anything was wrong with it...I mean this is the USA "Freedom of speech". I'm just saying that people like that will always hit the street no matter what war it is about. And they are out there to try to sway people to support them, why else would they be out there? If they get Bush to not go to war because of protests...would that not be swaying him?

 

[Bikecrasher]

I dont' know...that Potluck for Peace demonstration in Seattle sure swayed my opinion. Thinking I'll sell my truck and only listen to NPR now.

 

[Eddie420]

Originally posted by manimal
......and cry, and cry, and cry.........

while the rest of us do something worthwhile

YOU ARE NOT doing something worthwhile OK mANIMAL.
Sure Saddam Hussein is a major asshole no doubt. But people are suffering all over the world not just in Iraq. How come you're not going to help all those countries????I tell you why they don't have OIL there ok.

Anybody heard Tom Lehrer's song- Send the marines.
It's sad but true.

 

[manimal]

Originally posted by Eddie420
YOU ARE NOT doing something worthwhile OK mANIMAL.
Sure Saddam Hussein is a major asshole no doubt. But people are suffering all over the world not just in Iraq. How come you're not going to help all those countries????I tell you why they don't have OIL there ok.

Anybody heard Tom Lehrer's song- Send the marines.
It's sad but true.

just gotta know one thing. you ever been in a gas chamber? hmmm, well if you have then you'd have an inkling of an idea as to why we have to get saddam insane out of there. yes, there are suffering people all over the world, but those suffering people don't have things that make a really big BOOM!
oh yeah, i'm not in the service anymore by the way. i figure it's the reservists turn to earn their keep. they'll call me if they need me.

War is inevitable. Peace is a facade. Clever anti-war chants and slogans are like sand in a soldiers' boot - annoying but easily ignored.

 

[manimal]

Originally posted by Eddie420
YOU ARE NOT doing something worthwhile OK mANIMAL.

ever been to townsville? ever wonder why there's a huge monument dedicated to us? 'cause my granpa helped save your arse in WWII.

 

[Eddie420]

Originally posted by manimal
just gotta know one thing. you ever been in a gas chamber? hmmm, well if you have then you'd have an inkling of an idea as to why we have to get saddam insane out of there. yes, there are suffering people all over the world, but those suffering people don't have things that make a really big BOOM!
oh yeah, i'm not in the service anymore by the way. i figure it's the reservists turn to earn their keep. they'll call me if they need me.

War is inevitable. Peace is a facade. Clever anti-war chants and slogans are like sand in a soldiers' boot - annoying but easily ignored.

Don't give me that s.hit of course I've never been in a gas chamber:rolleyes
The thing is you believe what George Dubya is telling you which is scary. FACT is I'll say it again the REASON for war is OIL!!Now George Dubya says Saddam is Evil and we want to help the Iraqi people.Pure BULLS.HIT Since when has the American government cared about anyone but themselves.
You totally dodged the question about why the US army isn't helping any other suffering people.....so I'll take that as you are just a blood thirsty animal who sits at home polishing your gun, going c'mon I want a war, I wanna kill some poor suckers.

Yup one thing I agree with you is war is inevitable just like GREED which is the driving force behind DUBYA's Oil campaign, which you would call a war on terrorism or whatever....
What is wrong with peace......too boring for you???

Do you understand YOU not your grandpa. Ok yes just like my 2 Grandfathers and your Grandpa they were fighting in WW2 for a just cause defending their countries. Even though I'm presuming your Grandfather is American he was only there towards the end of the War because of Pearl Harbor. If it hadn't been for Pearl Harbor, your Grandpa wouldn't have been in the pacific saving my future arse. Another case of the American government concerned just about itself.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Eddie420
You totally dodged the question about why the US army isn't helping any other suffering people.....

A lot of suffering countries don't want us there...i.e. Somolia....

But I'm sure there are some that would like to take advantage of the US, and use our help.

 

[manimal]

Originally posted by Eddie420


Yup one thing I agree with you is war is inevitable just like GREED which is the driving force behind DUBYA's Oil campaign, which you would call a war on terrorism or whatever....
What is wrong with peace......too boring for you???

i never said i wanted war, just that you can't stop it with your hippy chants.

as far as the oil bit, perhaps that is another plus to taking this guy out. but lets say that we don't go and saddam stays in power......oil or not, he'll still try to bomb us, that's the whole point. and i challenge you to PROVE otherwise.

 

[Spud]

Just a diversion so we ignore the fact that Bin Laden is still out there. We kiss ass to North Korea, but they don't have oil.....

Another thought. The Bush administration has been meeting with numerous Iraqi exile groups including the dirtbags who organized the bombing of the marine barracks in Lebanon. (Newsweek).

The moral compass in the Whitehouse is still broken even though the tenant is new.

 

[the BIG cheese]

Originally posted by Spud
We kiss ass to North Korea, but they don't have oil.....

yes but we do it to spare the s. koreans and anyone else who may be in the way of the n. koreans. hopefully we will do something soon to diffuse the situation.

 

[Eddie420]

Originally posted by manimal
i never said i wanted war, just that you can't stop it with your hippy chants.

as far as the oil bit, perhaps that is another plus to taking this guy out. but lets say that we don't go and saddam stays in power......oil or not, he'll still try to bomb us, that's the whole point. and i challenge you to PROVE otherwise.

yes I know I can't stop it
Why would Saddam want to bomb America??If he did the whole of Iraq would be wiped out in retaliation.In the Gulf war the Iraqi's retaliated by firing missile's at Saud Arabia,Iran and Israel but not at America.
Good to see you realise the oil factor
What about Osama ??? He's the one that attacked America not Saddam remember ??Have you got him yet??no..
Don't always believe what Dubya tells you...

The majority of the world is against this war, because they can see right through Dubya and the US government...for their lack of morals and characteristic Greed at the cost of people's lives.

 

[johnny33fb]

Eddie420 said "What about Osama ??? He's the one that attacked America not Saddam remember ??Have you got him yet??no..
Don't always believe what Dubya tells you...

The majority of the world is against this war, because they can see right through Dubya and the US government...for their lack of morals and characteristic Greed at the cost of people's lives."



Last i knew Austrialia was backing up a war on terror, along with a long list of other nations, but yet its all up to the US to find Osama....? I dont see you saying Britain is greed or lack or morals, or how about your own country. And about the lack of morals sorry if we believe that a man with chemical/biological/and maybe nuclear weapns that has show he will use them is seen as a threat and a person that should be removed from power.

 

[Eddie420]

Yes Australia is much to my disgust:angry: so stupid. There was a poll in the paper and 95% of Australians are against attacks without UN approval. So yes John Howard is backing it but not the vast majority of Australians. I'm not sure how public opinion rates in the US....please enlighten me.
Also can you list those nations????
No the Australian government isn't greedy (on this issue anyhow) just stupid. Australia isn't going to reap the oil benifits. It's just going to tag along and while the US pretends to be friends with Australia except most people realise the US is no friend. Free trade yehh right..
Yes you believe he has all these weapons but can you find them NO!! so the reason for war is hard to justify.
Also why all the concern about Saddam Hussein now he's been sitting in Iraq for more than 10 years after the Gulf War and still hasn't attacked America.....seems like Georgie boy is using the paranoia to get support for the "war on Terror" so he can go get some black stuff
:devil:

Ok before I go any further I don't hate Americans just the government

 

[Eddie420]

as well Johnny to quote you just have to go to the bottom of the person's message and press the quote button easier

 

[manimal]

Originally posted by Eddie420


Yes you believe he has all these weapons but can you find them NO!! so the reason for war is hard to justify.
Also why all the concern about Saddam Hussein now he's been sitting in Iraq for more than 10 years after the Gulf War and still hasn't attacked America.....seems like Georgie boy is using the paranoia to get support for the "war on Terror" so he can go get some black stuff
:devil:

Ok before I go any further I don't hate Americans just the government

wow, i had no idea you were such a tool for the media.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Originally posted by Eddie420


Ok before I go any further I don't hate Americans just the government

Believe me, I know quite a few Aussies and this is NOT how they feel.

THANK GOD!

 

[johnny33fb]

Heres your list of countries that have helped support a US led war on terror http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/coalition.maps/