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Sweet! At a clip of only 800 per year, we should only lose about 80,000 soldiers by the time McCain's hundred years are up and we get out of there.
These soldiers should be glad that they're able to experience the growth of a democracy firsthand.
Personally, I think they'd much rather live off Daddy's dime at a posh ranch in Texas.
Personally, I think they'd much rather live off Daddy's dime at a posh ranch in Texas.
you are pretty stupid.
evey soldier in Iraq is serving there voluntarily.. it's not like anyone is asking you to go (assuming you could get into the US military).
so get off your high horse before you get bucked off
You wanna make a freedom omelette, you break some eggs.
You heard it here first, folks. N 8 just called someone stupid.
there never has been anything saying how many tours you will do when you sign-up.
ever
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why the 'celebration' for every 1000 soldier/marines/airmen/sailors killed in action..??
what about the 100,000's of those who served their tour and came home?
of all the 'grim milestone' stories i've read, i don't recall any of them stating the milestone was met due to "non-combat related incident".
i'm sure to break out the numbers beyond simply deaths in a combat zone would make those anti-war masturbaters go limp, and give the lie their "war heros" like 3-time purple heart "winner" j.h. kerry
i'm sure to break out the numbers beyond simply deaths in a combat zone would make those anti-war masturbaters go limp, and give the lie their "war heros" like 3-time purple heart "winner" j.h. kerry
pfft... never ever have seen any guarantee on how often and here deployments will be.
you should know that
Stop Loss is not a new thing and again you should know that too.
returning soldiers != soon-to-be enlistees.
i think you mean bait-and-switch
(yes, i'm playing both sides here)
Stop loss isn't new, but it also was not used before now either. The original agreement for National Guard was an 8 year rotation for mobilizations of 12 months or more.
One of the biggest selling points to recruit folks for Afghanistan in '06 was the idea they would be removed from rotation. My old unit was an all volunteer deployment and at least 90% did so because that would allow them to miss Iraq.
Last month, they got a memo about an '09 deployment to Iraq. Needless to say, there are many who are mildly unhappy about this.
We had a stop loss on our reserve unit back in the first Gulf War and it's been on and off and back on again since 9-11 so, it's not new and has been used depending on what kind of unit you are in.
If you are serving in the guard/reserved and wanting to retire then you already know by now that mulitple deployments to SW Asia are going to happen no matter how much you wish/hope/pray they wouldnt.
anyone that is surprised by this is simply ignorant.
4000 dead is still 1000 more than we lost on 9/11. It sucks no matter how you look at it.
Especially since we still have yet to avenge it, being that we are in the wrong fvcking spot.
What really, REALLY sucks is the thousands of maimed and disfigured soldiers coming home who will not get what they deserve, and the ones who may need mental health care who will have to wait a long time for it. It's a fvcking shame.
I didn't see anyone celebrating, except maybe some people in the country our military is occupying.
I wasn't aware of anyone tracking the 100,000s who made it home. Probably because most of them get sent back, unless their bodies are too screwed up for them to be useful anymore. Feel free to provide links though, you are good at that.
When my unit got home from Iraq, it was touted as the only deployed unit to have no fatalities (and is still the only unit as far as I know). But there are many who lost arms and legs who can't return to civilian jobs and countless others who suffer from PTSD and night terrors.
I don't think there will ever be solid numbers that reflect those individuals. And I don't think society wants to see them, either.
Realistically, we're pretty much going to be there in one form or another for the next couple decades. Could be another Korean deployment site.
Pulling out isnt really an option no matter who the president is or what they 'promise' to do.
so you believe the gwot is legitimate as long as we're only pursuing obl? and even then it's about revenge, and not justice?
appears like you're saying a few seemingly incompatible things here. add to that obl's latest statement once again confirms the jihadidsts' & al-Q's legitimacy in iraq, calling it the main front of this long war against the west.
even obl agrees w/ bush.
why not? we've been doing it here for over 225 years
Revenge or justice, either way the administration took it's eye off the ball pretty quick.
Well, good thing we invaded and brought al-Q into Iraq then innit? Bin Laden sure would have looked stupid.
I think Saudi Arabia would have been the best target. Lotsa loot there, and after all, it was Saudi hijackers on 9/11 anyway.
It's not like GWB is above stabbing a buddy in the back.
I was listening to a radio report about how many soldiers who need treatment for ptsd and other mental health issues have to wait forever for it.
Sadly, many will save the government the trouble with suicide.
non-combat incidents are no small issue, nor is it playing loose with the numbers. these are real deaths, real soldiers, and are occuring in iraq as a result of the conflict even if the "final event" wasn't a gunfight. not sure if you've caught the Stiglitz paper on the cost of the war, but one of the tidbits is that while the numbers for combat-related injuries (that is, severe enough that they needed to be removed from theatre) is currently 30,000 but the total for iraq is actually 70,000.
Things like vehicle accidents making late night supply runs in contested territory on bad roads were examples of how a non-combat injury occurs. To me, those still count.
Sorry for the triple posts, but this is the paper I mentioned above. It is staggering.
http://ksghome.harvard.edu/~lbilmes/paper/iraqnew.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jan/07/usa.iraq
Worst episode of BJ and the Bear ever.
Makes me so happy that my child being born soon will have something to work for.
Check out:
The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict
Interesting book, for sure.
<edit> Book was written by the same guy who wrote the paper.