[johnbryanpeters]

I think that sports should be removed from all educational programs.

Y'wanna work teamwork and get people off their duff while they're in school, have them prepare their own food, perform janitorial services, and shovel snow. Oh, yeah, don't let them have cars on campus. Non-institutional sports as recreation would be OK.

Benefits:
1) Reduce cost of operations, could lower tuitions.
2) Teach some real world lessons.
3) Keep people active, but don't push them so hard that they trash themselves.
4) All the sports blah blah about teamwork, etc.
5) Let the institution focus on education (remember that?).
6) Maybe, just maybe, get more people on bikes.

J

 

[laura]

i agree and always have. but, i never played sports in high school either. the argument is that sports keep kids from doing other not so productive things in their free time but i have to let you know, the jocks in my high school were getting into just as much as i was after school. they just had to wait until after practice. i got so sick of the football player passing because he was a football player. and all the soccer coaches flirting with 16,17,18 year old gilrs. i also got sick of having coaches as teachers. never in my life have i met a group of individuals so uninterested in teaching. it was like my fellow peers were in charge.



i really just think that less emphasis should be put on sports. sports are really good for some people, but when we are letting people graduate because they had to play in the national championship for HIGHSCHOOL football, i think our priorities might be a little skewed.

 

[Drunken_Ninja]

Originally posted by johnbryanpeters
I think that sports should be removed from all educational programs.

Y'wanna work teamwork and get people off their duff while they're in school, have them prepare their own food, perform janitorial services, and shovel snow. Oh, yeah, don't let them have cars on campus. Non-institutional sports as recreation would be OK.

Benefits:
1) Reduce cost of operations, could lower tuitions.
2) Teach some real world lessons.
3) Keep people active, but don't push them so hard that they trash themselves.
4) All the sports blah blah about teamwork, etc.
5) Let the institution focus on education (remember that?).
6) Maybe, just maybe, get more people on bikes.

J

JBP you approach some interesting issues here.

When I was attending at the college last, I approached some of these issues. The college I was at, had a policy on some of these things. Some areas it lacked vision.

1) that has nothing to do with sports
2) they are supposed to do that
3) better time management and life skills
4) educate students about leadership before they discover teamwork
5) if students are required to maintain an 80% average in order to remain a part of a school sports team.
6) Bikes were considered to be an unrealistic sport for the school. Getting people together is something that they have to do on their own. As for school bicycle parking? It sucked. It did not exist. It should have been there but it wasn't. You had to invent new ways to lock your bike up. It was easier to park your car honestly. The student newpaper had two stories about commuting to school in the winter time. I was the only person there who rhode every day that winter. They were cool about leaving the school locker rooms open in the morning though. I was always in there at 7:30am or so changing out of my winter gear in order to get to class for 8:00am.

They did get plickish regarding this issue.

I did nearly get kicked out of my morning class for being 3 minutes late twice as they recorded me as absent. When I flunked that course I had to file an appeal to get a retest. They nearly denied that appeal because I was late those times and the prof marked me absent.

Even though he would stop the class to tell really really bad jokes for like ten minutes every day. I argued with him that he should NOT be telling jokes and teaching electronics instead. They were bad jokes and some remarks made were discriminatory and debased americans. I told him he was an ass and a real jerk for telling those. Right in front of the whole class. It didn't do anything for my marks but I made a point somewhere.

 

[Drunken_Ninja]

oh yeah, some sports are just more overated than others. It is more of a popularity contest actually. I spoke with the gym manager at my college to find this out.

Besides, at George Brown College where I was at; the management forced to to be in class for 8am and made you stay until 4pm for classes. But on any given day you were forced to stay on campus for up to 4 hours with nothing to do. It was terrible. You had to have the gym or you would go crazy. I actually rhode my bike home and back to school twice a day. I was not supposed to and got criticized by the school management. I could get work done on my home computer at least. The school computer lab was too small and always over filled.

We wrote complaints to have people stop using the resource center (computer lab) for entertainment rather than school work. Of course they banned music listening on the computers. So we all had to write our own cds to bring to the lab if we wanted to get work done there and keep our focus. It had to play cd roms, they had no choice. Internet music and movies were banned. Downloading was banned. I mean I was just better off at the gym or taking my bike through the snow to get home since the facilities were always unavailable to me when i needed it the most.

The library facilities were nowhere near as complete as the gym facilities. You couldn't find books newer than the 1970's. There were never enough seats available in the library. The cafeteria smelled like the commercial food of the franchises that owned businesses there and was always too noisy to do work. I mean, the library only held like 56 people comfortably with chairs and desks. Then you ran out of chairs.

To make it worse the campus i was at used to be a jail facility before it was converted into a college. A maximum penetentary...no windows just concrete and foul musty smells everywhere. There was hardly enough oxygen flowing through the campus to allow a person to think clearly. I do not think that the oxygen levels were appropriate for learning at many times in the year. Environmentally sports did take away from the much needed air system.

The gym floor got resurfaced once when i was there. They rented it out to movie people for a day to pay for it.

Alot of guy technical programs and hardly any women. (those few women that were there were not even close what real women are like, they were all models or predators) Yes, it would have been nice to go somewhere that wasn't nicknamed by students as jail campus since the 70's. It still was the school with the best programs anywhere in the city though.

The engineers from 1st 2nd and 3rd year of my program rose up together through some networking and together we wrote numerous complaints and signed petetions to have are programs either fixed of these problems or be removed from the campus.

It got removed thankfully. But in the end I do not have a school to finish my program. I will move to another province to find a better school and the proper facilities next. I hope to move closer to a mountain for certain.

I will say one thing. College sports were the most frustrating to watch succeed. Especially when ones own education is not properly funded or supported.

If I never had my bicycle and my winter gear; I would have been absolutely disrupted from my studies at school. The college management actually complained to me that it is not supposed to be possible to ride a bicycle in the winter and that even though I had figured out 'how to escape jail campus' I should feel forced to stay. They then proceeded to reccomend that I not leave for any reason and to go try some other sports or something.

The complaints did get heard though because alot of letters did get generated from having those students trapped on a foul campus with alot of unneeded downtime. The announced the rebuilding of one wing that would include windows. They were bringing all of the nursing programs over from another campus to that school. Of course it is being completed now to this day.

Certainly this decision did not help my education when it was needed. Nor did it influence the number of women at my college. I still outsouced to the University of Toronto, Robarts Library most days and parked my bike there instead of going home.

 

[Drunken_Ninja]

To this day, I still do not think that they needed that new wing. It did not make the school over all, on the whole any better.

It took away from electronics engineering technology, my career choice. I have high hopes that B.C.I.T., Brisitish Columbia Institute of Technology will allow me to re-enter the same program and honor my past experiences, in the future.

 

[the BIG cheese]

what if sports are some kids way into college. not everyone can make it on an academic scholarship or front the costs of tuition.

otherwise i agree with you. they are kinda counterproductive.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Originally posted by the BIG cheese
what if sports are some kids way into college. not everyone can make it on an academic scholarship or front the costs of tuition.

otherwise i agree with you. they are kinda counterproductive.

Absent the resources wasted on sports, more could be available for real scholarships.

I do not propose this just for colleges and universities. It would apply to grade and high schools also.

J

 

[Serial Midget]

While I personally do not care for team sports on any level I do recognize their importance to society as a whole. Book smarts are not sole purpose of higher edumacation.

Originally posted by johnbryanpeters
I think that sports should be removed from all educational programs.

Y'wanna work teamwork and get people off their duff while they're in school, have them prepare their own food, perform janitorial services, and shovel snow. Oh, yeah, don't let them have cars on campus. Non-institutional sports as recreation would be OK.

Benefits:
1) Reduce cost of operations, could lower tuitions.
2) Teach some real world lessons.
3) Keep people active, but don't push them so hard that they trash themselves.
4) All the sports blah blah about teamwork, etc.
5) Let the institution focus on education (remember that?).
6) Maybe, just maybe, get more people on bikes.

J

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by johnbryanpeters
I think that sports should be removed from all educational programs.

Y'wanna work teamwork and get people off their duff while they're in school, have them prepare their own food, perform janitorial services, and shovel snow. Oh, yeah, don't let them have cars on campus. Non-institutional sports as recreation would be OK.

Benefits:
1) Reduce cost of operations, could lower tuitions.
2) Teach some real world lessons.
3) Keep people active, but don't push them so hard that they trash themselves.
4) All the sports blah blah about teamwork, etc.
5) Let the institution focus on education (remember that?).
6) Maybe, just maybe, get more people on bikes.

J

Like it or not, College sports do play a particularly important role in some colleges. Take the university of TN for example. Their stadium seats over 100,000 people and it sells out for every single game. Lets be modest and say that you could even think about getting a ticket for $10. Now multiply that times how many games every year.
Yeah, thats way more than $10,000,000 every single year, not counting endorsements, money gained from vending, team merchandise and god knows what else. The university of TN is recognized across the country because of its football team. Its great marketing and moneymaking that translates into more money for everything else. Its not like the players get paid.
Also, Sports are a part of American culture. There has to be a higher playing field for athletes to move on to. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean that most other american males dont enjoy some college football from time to time.
Having sports programs in college is the same as having a drama club or PE class really. They teach alot about leadership and teamwork, and they're good for the people who participate. I cant even see a problem. If there is one, its in the way the programs are managed, not in the fact that they exist.

 

[ohio]

I personally think that's a terrible idea. At the K-12 level, we have enough trouble keeping kids off the streets, away from drugs, out of trouble in general. Organized sports provide structure, exercise, emotional outlets, and good social settings. They also teach personal discipline and reward hard work.

At the college level, sports serve a similar function. Most student athletes I knew had better grades during the season than outside. The scheduling structure helped them to stay on top of their work. They also bring in a tremendous amount of money for some schools.

Parents and kids alike lack the initiative to organize sports on a scale similar to what we see now. Schools are the perfect venue for them.

Having said that, I watched my public highschool put in a $250,000 track while we couldn't even pass a basic levy to buy supplies like paper and heating... so obviously there needs to be a balance.

 

[Jorvik]

Without sports, I would've done drugs in high school. I would've been drinking during the school week. Without sports, I would never had realized my potential to be the athlete that I am today. I would've been a fat mess. I never had a mentor, anybody to help me out. My dad never talked to me, my brother and sister didn't either. The influence of sports is what kept me on the right track.

While I may be pretty smart, I was a very unmotivated student throughout high school. During the off seasons my time management went out the window and my grades reflected it. During the sports seasons I did well academically. I ended up with a B+ average for high school.

Taking sports out of school systems is a terrible idea.

 

[Jr_Bullit]

The area where I grew...the athletes in High School generally had good grade averages...actually any kid who participated in extracurricular activites such as sports, music, art, drama typically had higher grade point averages, and a better sense of working together with other students to get things done. Yeah athletes garner favortism...these are the kids whose bodies develop into muscular little trophies...and they have the cockiness that comes with physical assurance at a young age that they can do more than most others...I don't think we should be attacking the institution that gives kids self-assurance, but instead find ways of getting more kids involved

I know that in today's day and age teamwork is an almost foreign concept, but I value the lessons learned in the long hours spent after school in sports...working together with others to achieve physical and mental goals is an experience that really has no match.

And in most schools...all it would take is a motivated teacher and a few students to organize other sports...like a cycling club.

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by ohio
Having said that, I watched my public highschool put in a $250,000 track while we couldn't even pass a basic levy to buy supplies like paper and heating... so obviously there needs to be a balance.

Rubberized tracks rule!!! Our pokey little town had the FIRST in the state back in the early 80's. Still awsome...

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by Serial Midget
Rubberized tracks rule!!! Our pokey little town had the FIRST in the state back in the early 80's. Still awsome...

Oh, I won't deny it was a nice track to run on... I was a 400 runner and a vaulter.

It wasn't just any rubberized track either. It was the same one put in for the Atlanta olympics. It was one of the nicest venues in the state, INCLUDING Ohio State's facilities.

I'm just saying, we could have put in a pretty nice one for $150,000 and actually been able to pay for heating in the winter...

 

[the BIG cheese]

Originally posted by johnbryanpeters
Absent the resources wasted on sports, more could be available for real scholarships.

I do not propose this just for colleges and universities. It would apply to grade and high schools also.

J

did you play sports in highschool? some things need to be done for fun. homework is not one of those things. even though it isnt productive, it builds things that are harder to teach in a classroom such as teamwork and builds our bodys. as a human being, we aren't meant to live our lives in front of computers and books. they are good but we are talking about childhood. i dread the day everyone thinks like that and we all become super brains and evolve out of our arms and legs.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Sports Organized team sports are not the only things thatcan keep kids busy as to not go directly to drugs and prostitution.......




I am not a big fan of HS sports.....at least from the bigger picture/reduced budget stand point.

I am sure they have there place and do some good, for the most part, but at what cost?

Pay to play is fine for me....let them foot the bill. PE in schools are great and should be there.

Maybe we can all brainstorm and think of other activities that the displaced kids could do....

.....except knock the chearleaders up.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Originally posted by the BIG cheese
did you play sports in highschool?

When I was in high school I played a lot of baseball with my friends, not at or in the context of school. That was interesting and satisfying. The money the school spent on sports benefited oh, let's say, a little under five percent of the students.

J

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by johnbryanpeters
When I was in high school I played a lot of baseball with my friends, not at or in the context of school. That was interesting and satisfying. The money the school spent on sports benefited oh, let's say, a little under five percent of the students.

J

Well, c'mon. At least realize it benefits the students who matter.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Well, c'mon. At least realize it benefits the students who matter.

Says them and their parents.......

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Pay to play is fine for me....let them foot the bill. PE in schools are great and should be there.

Pay to play doesn't work because many of the kids that need sports most can't afford it. This is one area where even BurlySurly will get socialist on yo' ass...

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by ohio
Pay to play doesn't work because many of the kids that need sports most can't afford it. This is one area where even BurlySurly will get socialist on yo' ass...

Welcome to the real world.........

I hope BS was kidding above about the kids who deserve it.....

If they want it they can work for it......

or does having sports really cost that much? If so, does the government need to pay for kids to do it? When that precious $$$ could be placed elsewhere.....to help kids in schooling.

The world would not end if there were not sports in schools....other than PE class. Not saying activity should be dropped just expensive sport programs.

 

[ummbikes]

I would like to see the NFL, MLB and the NBA foot the bill for their free developmental leagues. The college level athlete would be called a minor league pro in a free market. Pay 'em too.

These major divison one NCAA football programs are quite capable of paying their athletes.

These first round draft picks should be forced to pay back their scholarships too. We paid to train 'em, we need some of that signing bonus back to help some poor sap who is good at physics but sucks at hoops.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Welcome to the real world.........

oh great solution man,

Hey kids, wanna play sports? Get a part time job to afford it, find time for practice and struggling with grades. Then once again, you're giving the upper hand to the rich kids who can afford it, because now they can make better grades too! Yeah kids, welcome to getting Sh** on by people with more money for the rest of your life.

Its not like BAND, where everyone involved is going to end up working at a video store anyway.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
oh great solution man,

Hey kids, wanna play sports? Get a part time job to afford it, find time for practice and struggling with grades. Then once again, you're giving the upper hand to the rich kids who can afford it, because now they can make better grades too! Yeah kids, welcome to getting Sh** on by people with more money for the rest of your life.

Its not like BAND, where everyone involved is going to end up working at a video store anyway.

As opposed to hey kid learn how to throw a ball....forget the books you won't need it. Job? Why, I will get free stuff since I can throw a ball so well......... Teaching the right lessons? I kind like Ummbikes idea. Minor leagues/out side school is the way it should be......sports and school <----different directions---->

If yo udon't get assistance becaue you can't throw a ball......Whois getting **** on now? Being sh!t on by people happens when the person getting sh!t on gives up.....heck I have been the person losing faith once or three times in my life.

Why does playing sports make some person more worthy of an "monetary assisted" college education over a poor kid with grades? Who "earns" the right to a college education? Sounds alittle off target to me.

Who payed me to ride/race motorcycles/dh bikes? No one. I did it cause I enjoyed it. I worked to afford it and got decent (not stellar) grades and was able to get into college......

Its not like BAND, where everyone involved is going to end up working at a video store anyway.

LMAO!!!

 

[goosemagoo]

Originally posted by ummbikes
...These first round draft picks should be forced to pay back their scholarships too. We paid to train 'em, we need some of that signing bonus back to help some poor sap who is good at physics but sucks at hoops....

Great idea

The major league funding idea is cool too. Tax the hell out of those million dollar paychecks.

 

[Moogie]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Like it or not, College sports do play a particularly important role in some colleges. Take the university of TN for example. Their stadium seats over 100,000 people and it sells out for every single game. Lets be modest and say that you could even think about getting a ticket for $10. Now multiply that times how many games every year.
Yeah, thats way more than $10,000,000 every single year, not counting endorsements, money gained from vending, team merchandise and god knows what else. The university of TN is recognized across the country because of its football team. Its great marketing and moneymaking that translates into more money for everything else. Its not like the players get paid.
.

unfortunatly, some-odd million goes to pay the coach, the assistants, the traveling of the team and everything else.

i play sports at school year round, and i think it helps people socially and also for time managment and other thigns like that. my time management blows whenever i have way to much time, like when im not playin sports. i find it stupid, however, that kids get higher grades or get accepted to collages only based on their history in sports. IMHO i really think that people need to realize that we as americans are falling behind when it comes to grades and overall intelligence. we need better education systems and this will, in the future, make smarter and less ignorant americans.