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One month after Steve Jobs died Adobe finally admits Jobs was right. Adobe announced they dropped Flash for mobile devices and will be cutting 750 jobs. HTML5 is becoming the new platform that's going to be much more accepted and the industry standard so they finally dropped the program figuring it was a waste of resources to continue the platform.
 
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Gosh, yes, 4 years of smartphones since the iPhone, with Flash still supported on a huge number of websites, and clearly "Jobs was right." :rolleyes:

Not to mention, Flash will continue to get bugfixes and patches, it's just not in active development.

Everyone knew HTML5 was the future. Jobs was just a big enough ego that he thought he didn't have to play ball in the meantime. I'm sure glad that other platforms didn't see it that way.
 
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binary visions said:
Gosh, yes, 4 years of smartphones since the iPhone, with Flash still supported on a huge number of websites, and clearly "Jobs was right." :rolleyes:

Not to mention, Flash will continue to get bugfixes and patches, it's just not in active development.

Everyone knew HTML5 was the future. Jobs was just a big enough ego that he thought he didn't have to play ball in the meantime. I'm sure glad that other platforms didn't see it that way.
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adobe isn't throwing in the towel and worshipping at the altar html5 (NTTAWWT). they're just shifting their focusing towards the AIR platform for development.

Flash will always have a special place in my heart though. I will always nostalgia at waiting 10 minutes to watch ridiculous flash movies on newgrounds back in the days of dialup.
 
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binary visions said:
Gosh, yes, 4 years of smartphones since the iPhone, with Flash still supported on a huge number of websites, and clearly "Jobs was right." :rolleyes:

Not to mention, Flash will continue to get bugfixes and patches, it's just not in active development.

Everyone knew HTML5 was the future. Jobs was just a big enough ego that he thought he didn't have to play ball in the meantime. I'm sure glad that other platforms didn't see it that way.
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not everyone knew.... I had to have it explained to me. It was also pointed out to me that people with Android were able to visit flash-enabled pages for the past few years while iPhones... well, still can't.

and... that's a pretty brutal cartoon up above...
 
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eh, hardly an admission of being wrong, but hopefully they can now move towards something that works on my greatly impeded ipad. I appreciate the thought, but the lack of support on apple devices is just retarded, and having to use any of the faux browser services SUCKS.
 
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not everyone knew.... I had to have it explained to me.
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I didn't mean "everyone" the consumers. I meant "everyone" the industry people arguing about this. It has been obvious for a while that HTML5 was better suited for longevity than Flash was, but it doesn't mean you walk away from doing anything because 5+ years out there might be something new.

It was also pointed out to me that people with Android were able to visit flash-enabled pages for the past few years while iPhones... well, still can't.
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Yep, that's really my point. Android users have had a year and a half to be able to use Flash enabled webpages, and Flash is STILL the dominant rich media standard. So for at least another year or two, Flash is going to continue to be a major presence online, and Android users are still going to be happily browsing a major chunk of the web that iOS will continue to ignore. Just because something isn't sustainable in the long term doesn't mean that it shouldn't be supported now...
 
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but you can watch MORE porn on your android....it's science. Steve jobs is keeping you from touching yourself...from the grave. How does that dried out zombie hand feel on your junk?
 
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You guys are missing the whole point of this thread!! Bighitr finally returned from his hiatus after the fugly flight attendant thread! :rofl:
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tonight i'll try to get drunk enough to get him angry enough to delete this thread too :rofl:

his new custom title should be "butthurtr"
 
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Probably Adobe is moving toward HTML 5 and away from Flash because of Muse. They are getting a lot of good feedback from it's Beta. It's going to be a good application when they finally get all the bugs worked out... and I'm sure they are going to expand on their HTML5 apps... no need for them to do flash and html 5 when one clearly is the future.
 
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Gosh, yes, 4 years of smartphones since the iPhone, with Flash still supported on a huge number of websites, and clearly "Jobs was right." :rolleyes:
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Just read below and you'll understand my post. Geesh you guys read way into things... This was off of Etrade's website. Feel free to jump all the way to the last sentence.

Adobe bows to the inevitable -- finally
3:33 PM ET 11/9/11 | Marketwatch

4:00 PM ET 11/10/11
Symbol Last % Chg
AAPL 385.22 -2.55%
GOOG 595.08 -0.98%
ADBE 28.03 -0.18%

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- In one of his many interviews with biographer Walter Isaacson, Apple Inc. co-founder Steve Jobs told him that Adobe Systems Inc.'s Flash was "a spaghetti-ball piece of technology that has lousy performance and really bad security problems."

Jobs fought to keep Flash, a browser plug-in that enables video and other website animations, off Apple's (AAPL) iPhone and the iPad. Google Inc. (GOOGtoo, has been lukewarm in its support of Flash. Earlier this year, Google Chairman Eric Schmidt said that HTML 5 will become the platform on which to build all applications in the future, including mobile ones.

On Wednesday, Adobe (ADBE) decided to listen to the old adage, "the customer is always right." It said it will no longer develop its Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile devices, following the release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook. That's also part of a broader restructuring move, under which the company is cutting 750 jobs. See Adobe news here.

Finally, after a public battle of words over Flash that erupted last year, just one month after Jobs's untimely death, Adobe now admits he was right.

Go shoot the author of the article. Not the messenger. :rolleyes:
 
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Why Adobe Failed and Where Startups Can Swoop In | TechCrunch

As Steve Jobs put it: “Flash was designed for PCs using mice”—which is true. When Flash was created back in the 90′s, the target platform that it was designed for, was the PC. Flash was designed for desktop computers, computers with a fast CPU and a power-cable. This is the root cause of all the hardships Adobe has had with mobile.

Mobile devices are not always plugged in. They have to rely on small batteries, which need to last for days at a time. For this reason, mobile phones have slower, less power-hungry CPUs. The original iPhone had a 412 MHz CPU. That’s about how fast desktop CPUs were back in 1998. That was basically a 9 year setback in CPU speeds, which was more than Adobe’s Flash Player could handle.

You see, in Flash Player, everything is done in the CPU, including the graphics. That means that if you slow down the CPU, you slow down the graphics performance.
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sanjuro said:
Why Adobe Failed and Where Startups Can Swoop In | TechCrunch
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In other news nVidia release desktop class tablet/smartphone chipset. This mobile chipset's CPU would have equaled the newest desktop class CPU 5 years ago but a desktop from 5 years ago couldn't handle 1080p streams (most from even 2-3 years ago) or the other various task Tegra3 can. Mobile chipsets are currently more than capable - your article is obsolete.

CPU comparison with Intel's 2GHz Core 2 Duo T7200 processor that NVIDIA uses as evidence for its claim that Tegra 3 is the first "PC-class processor for truly mobile devices."
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The headline on the Tegra 3 processor, which Nvidia made official yesterday, is that it is the first quad-core processor for tablets and smartphones. But it is Tegra’s fifth “companion core,” only recently disclosed, which is the real story and the start of a trend in which more chipmakers will combine different processing cores on a single chip to boost performance and at the same time squeeze more battery life out of mobile devices.

The Tegra 3 processor is based on four ARM Cortex-A9 cores running at speed up to 1.4GHz and a 12-core GeForce graphics processor. That’s a lot of horsepower for a tablet or smartphone, and Nvidia is promising “PC-class performance levels” and three times the graphics performance of the Tegra 2. In particular, it is emphasizing mobile gaming with advanced features such as realistic physics effects, dynamic lighting and stereoscopic 3D. Nvidia says more than 40 games will be available by the end of the year with more in development.

The problem with all this performance is that it comes at the cost of battery life, and that’s where the extra companion core comes in. The fifth core is also based on the Cortex-A9 architecture, but it is designed to run at only 500MHz. That’s sufficient to handle lightweight tasks-checking e-mail and Twitter feeds in the background, browsing basic Web sites, listening to music and watching videos-without using as much power as the four main cores. Tegra 3 automatically switches between the main cores and the companion core depending on the workload. The result, according to Nvidia, is 60 percent lower power consumption than Tegra 2 and up to 12 hours of battery life during HD video playback.
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I definitely need to see 1080 on a mobile device.

What does it do, display on my arm?
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Most modern smartphones have HDMI out and some highend models have docks to make them half-assed netbook substitutes.

The latest 4"+ display superphones have 720p displays. 1080p smartphone sized displays have been shown at tradeshows for at least a year now. Realistically 480p video is all you need at that size but there are many uses for the new processing power and sharper screens for general use are appreciated.
 
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BIGHITR said:
One month after Steve Jobs died Adobe finally admits Jobs was right. Adobe announced they dropped Flash for mobile devices and will be cutting 750 jobs. HTML5 is becoming the new platform that's going to be much more accepted and the industry standard so they finally dropped the program figuring it was a waste of resources to continue the platform.
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Who is Steve Jobs?
 
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Just read below and you'll understand my post. Geesh you guys read way into things... This was off of Etrade's website. Feel free to jump all the way to the last sentence.

Adobe bows to the inevitable -- finally
3:33 PM ET 11/9/11 | Marketwatch

4:00 PM ET 11/10/11
Symbol Last % Chg
AAPL 385.22 -2.55%
GOOG 595.08 -0.98%
ADBE 28.03 -0.18%

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- In one of his many interviews with biographer Walter Isaacson, Apple Inc. co-founder Steve Jobs told him that Adobe Systems Inc.'s Flash was "a spaghetti-ball piece of technology that has lousy performance and really bad security problems."

Jobs fought to keep Flash, a browser plug-in that enables video and other website animations, off Apple's (AAPL) iPhone and the iPad. Google Inc. (GOOGtoo, has been lukewarm in its support of Flash. Earlier this year, Google Chairman Eric Schmidt said that HTML 5 will become the platform on which to build all applications in the future, including mobile ones.

On Wednesday, Adobe (ADBE) decided to listen to the old adage, "the customer is always right." It said it will no longer develop its Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile devices, following the release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook. That's also part of a broader restructuring move, under which the company is cutting 750 jobs. See Adobe news here.

Finally, after a public battle of words over Flash that erupted last year, just one month after Jobs's untimely death, Adobe now admits he was right.

Go shoot the author of the article. Not the messenger. :rolleyes:
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tl;dr; i'll shoot the messenger.


also, etrade? :rofl: you just like the talking baby in the commercial, admit it :busted:
 
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