America's Untapped Oil Reserves
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I like the idea of "heating the oil-shale in place"
Who here has heard of Centralia Pennsylania?
Who here has heard of Centralia Pennsylania?
interesting place.
Let's hear it for horizontal drilling techniques!! (paired with unimaginable devastation if done even slightly wrong.)
Seriously though, the company(ies) that did the studies and such saw a huge jump in their stocks almost overnight. Where there's a will (a.k.a. mooooo-la), there's a way.
Seriously though, the company(ies) that did the studies and such saw a huge jump in their stocks almost overnight. Where there's a will (a.k.a. mooooo-la), there's a way.
I know nothing of this "oil-shale" source. Can a stand-in N.8 post a link or if you're teh smart, give us your thoughts? Thanks.
In that case they shouldknock down the Rockies and get a drillin'!! They're just obscuring Wyoming's view of the ocean anyway....
Oil shale is horrible for the environment, and extremely dirty to work with.
Using wikipedia for basic background information isn't bad.
http://www.kirj.ee/public/oilshale/1_ed_page_2004_1.pdf
VBS did a documentary about the oil shale industry in Canada, if you are interested in the ramifications it has, it is worth checking out
(part 1 of 15) http://www.vbs.tv/video.php?id=987199110
Using wikipedia for basic background information isn't bad.
http://www.kirj.ee/public/oilshale/1_ed_page_2004_1.pdf
It also uses a lot of water.
VBS did a documentary about the oil shale industry in Canada, if you are interested in the ramifications it has, it is worth checking out
(part 1 of 15) http://www.vbs.tv/video.php?id=987199110
I'm not too fond of a lot of their stuff, but the Israel-Palestine one is definitely an eye-opener if you are an Israel supporter.
http://www.vbs.tv/video.php?id=1334447365
oil isn't worth going for if it's exploitation is detrimental
why not?
or more specifically, where do you think a reasonable threshold/cost is?
should we care what is being done in the oil fields of the middle east? i have never given it any thought, nor will i. i'm sure it would have some intrinsic beauty in its undisturbed state, but i do not think my perception & length of enjoyment (if any) should factor in. that would be selfish. as would wanton & capricious destruction for something i would otherwise never enjoy.
not sure where the balance is, but it should always include alternatives.
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I'm a firm believer that property rights don't necessarily entitle the owner to doing whatever they please. For the sake of individual rights, specifically the impact of drilling on the rights of other human beings whom may have no stake in the venture... "collateral" (for lack of a better word) effects of drilling which reach out beyond the activity should be eliminated.
Shale oil is a very dirty business, and involves tons of waste. I've read that several companies are trying to develop a way to harvest the oil in the shale without going in and digging it up first, and this seems acceptable to me at least.
As for how the oild fields of the middle east effect the people of the middle east, I really have no clue. But I don't think we should be dictating the environmental policies of foreign nations, so my comments really only apply to Americans.
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The issue is that we are really bad at calculating true costs (or better put, charging true costs). Shale oil is can be extracted at a cost of ~$100/bl, but that is based on free water (diverting natural waterways), and no environmental cleanup. If we properly charge oil companies for those resources (as well as others I haven't thought of) and the cost works out to $150/bl then yes, they should be exploited under current oil prices.
I'm not of the belief that some resources are priceless, but I'm also not of the belief that any resources are free.
Oh versus the incredible accuracy of right wing blog crap you inanely and blindly post links to...riiiiight...
Shhh!! That's part of the masterplan:
Step 1 - Dig up/tear down the Rockies for "oil shale"
Step 2.1 - Sell all of the oil shale for ludicrous price
Step 2.2 - Expand on Dick Cheney's palace...err "ranch"...in Wyoming
Step 3 - Globe burns "oil shale"
Step 4.1 - "Global Warming" raises ocean levels
Step 4.2 - "Global Warming" gets rid of that pesky thing called "winter" in Wyoming
Step 4.3 - Liberals, hippies, blacks, Jews, gays, & Mexicans all die (aka everyone on the coasts or in the south) due to the ensuing rising ocean levels
Step 5 - The world is a better place
-ska todd
What about coal? We've done so well with it's extraction in WV.
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With your use of smilies, you are either n8's or bitingbacks soul mate.fixed.
Should this tag be added to the Chrissie Pinney thread?
What does she look like?
Going after local natural gas here in the shale deposits is becoming the thing to do but I'm not sure they're pricing the resources correctly. The use the hydraulic fracturing technique with pressurized water and sand.
These are not big rivers (no idea of flow rate) but the companies do not have to recover and treat the water since there aren't any local companies capable of providing the treatment service. 14 cents/1000 gal seems like quite a bargain and incredibly short-sighted by the approving commission. The shale deposit they are all going after is supposed to contain enough natural gas to meet the national demand for 8 years.local paper said:
You guys did notice that the story is from Sept 2005 right? I'm sure it's all gone by now.
with today's solar, wind, and hydrogen technologies... why are we considering drilling for more oil?
I realize that an alternative energy power plant is difficult, if not impossible to meter for profit or gain... but come the fvck on already with these greedy ass politicians!
I realize that an alternative energy power plant is difficult, if not impossible to meter for profit or gain... but come the fvck on already with these greedy ass politicians!
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true... true...