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...and the Dem's Call Op Iraqi Freedom Failed?

dante

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Feb 13, 2004
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A Failed Plan

1. US forces took Iraq in less time than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.

2. It took less time to find evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

3. It took Teddy Kennedy longer to call the police after his Oldsmobile sunk at Chappaquiddick than it took the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard.

4. Pres Bush took Iraq in less time than it took to count the votes in Florida in the year 2000!

...And the Democrats called the Iraq effort a failed plan?

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p
8.5 years later it is finally over
$1.2 trillion
4,800 American soldiers dead
32,000 American soldiers wounded
No WMD.
Democracy?

I just hope and pray that we will never, ever go through something like this again. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly hopeful on that aspect.

Iraq War (2003-2011)
 

JohnE

filthy rascist
May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
Is it over? For those of us in uniform, it is simply a new operation. We are still heading over there in GWBs little war...we will be paying his bills for some time now. Fuggin draft dodging, war starting bastard...
 

gonefirefightin

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This topic is exactly why I dont watch tv or read media and even steer clear of this forum.

too many died and gave everything for a ungrateful group to call it a failure. they weren't there to see the stories and faces of the lives we enriched and impacted. there are two sides to every story and shunning dead and wounded for the sake of pure numbers driving a political debate is purely a mockery in the face by us that were affected.
 
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AngryMetalsmith

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Jun 4, 2006
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I have no idea where I am
8.5 years later it is finally over
$1.2 trillion
4,800 American soldiers dead
32,000 American soldiers wounded
No WMD.
Democracy?

I just hope and pray that we will never, ever go through something like this again. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly hopeful on that aspect.

Iraq War (2003-2011)
Not sure how accurate this is, but:

104,080-113,728 civilian deaths since 2003

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
 

sanjuro

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Sep 13, 2004
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This topic is exactly why I dont watch tv or read media and even steer clear of this forum.

too many died and gave everything for a ungrateful group to call it a failure. they weren't there to see the stories and faces of the lives we enriched and impacted. there are two sides to every story and shunning dead and wounded for the sake of pure numbers driving a political debate is purely a mockery in the face by us that were affected.
Everyone has an opinion. In 2002, I met a girl who told a bunch of New Yorkers she didn't see what the big deal was about 9/11.

No one would ever say the US military did nothing less than a superb job in Iraq. Ultimately I feel that our political leadership has sent us down the wrong path.
 
Everyone has an opinion. In 2002, I met a girl who told a bunch of New Yorkers she didn't see what the big deal was about 9/11.

No one would ever say the US military did nothing less than a superb job in Iraq. Ultimately I feel that our political leadership has sent us down the wrong path.
The big deal about 9/11 was that we hysterically reacted by starting two wars that drove our nation bankrupt and significantly nudged us towards a police state.
 

blackohio

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Mar 12, 2009
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The sad thing about 9/11 is we blame extremists for what happened yet fail to look at our own meddling and interference on other countries affairs as the jumping off point.

How long do we have to ****ing do this bull****, Im so sick of the ghost wars, the arms deals, the support of oppressive regimes, then the condemnation of said regimes down the road.

We've laid a lot of seeds in this gigantic field, most of them are bad.

...and please don't anyone take this as me calling our troops anything other than the basis for how a military should react and behave. We're fortunate to have such a diverse and compassionate military.
 

rockofullr

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Jun 11, 2009
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word. that guy makes our military look like a bunch of sissies that don't want to kill terrorists
No he makes himself look like a pompous ass by attempting to speak for a large group of people who may or may not agree with him.

To quote

Aidan Delgado said:
They can no longer use this rhetoric of "support the troops" because what the troops are telling you, both in Iraq and those who have returned, is that they don't want any part of this. They want to come home
So did he consult all of them?
 

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Turbo Monkey
Jun 20, 2005
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So did he consult all of them?
I'd say that the vast difference in donations to Ron Paul compared to all of the other candidates speaks volumes as to how the troops collectively feel.

If you enjoy fighting over there, then by all means, keep on keeping on. I'm thankful for the people that volunteer to defend the country.
 

rockofullr

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Jun 11, 2009
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You didn't watch the video did you?
Maybe I missed the part where they referenced a poll of current service members and their opinion of the war. Can you point me to the the time in the video where this comes up?

Or are you trying to tell me that those 4 or 5 dudes were elected by their fellow servicemen to be the mouthpiece of the armed forces?

Or is it that you think the graph of donations means that the majority of servicemen support Ron which therefore validates Specialist Delgado's statement?
 
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JohnE

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May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
What bothers me about us leaving is wondering who will arise into power once we are "gone". There remains a good possibility that they will be worse than Sadaam ever was. The lesser of the 2 evils is still evil...
 

JohnE

filthy rascist
May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
Somewhere, Dick (The most appropriately named man in the universe...) is unzipping his pants while trying to figure out a re-entry strategy.