pakistan didnt know bin laden was there, nor did they know the CIA was there
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/asia/06intel.html?_r=1&hp
Bin Laden is Dead!!!
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a buddy of mine posted that on facebook, and one of the conservative faux news trolls he knows outright refuses to believe it. He says its nothing but leftist liberal propaganda.
Just take GWB at his word then (I can't remember the other related OBL GWB quote ATM):a buddy of mine posted that on facebook, and one of the conservative faux news trolls he knows outright refuses to believe it. He says its nothing but leftist liberal propaganda.
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wait, isnt DEVGRU their current name?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/nswdg.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Special_Warfare_Development_Group
UCLA tortured undergrads, found better clues about OBL location - ET owned:
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/05/geographers-had-calculated.html?ref=hp
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/05/geographers-had-calculated.html?ref=hp
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i'm not entirely on board w/ this:
considering the alternatives (cave/underground, culturally conspicuous region, densely populated area), this was his best bet.
moving around is too risky, and the risk is much higher than living in a compound where observation is all but guaranteed to be thwarted. i really don't see how his conditions could have been significantly improved to avoid detection.
Don't forget the crazy jew version. Yeah those conservative western nutjobs are so much better than those Muslim ones...
clever
[not obvious: who the brown hornet should be]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384847/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Newspaper-edits-Hillary-Clinton-Situation-Room-photo.html
This has been my desktop @ work for several days now.
Just read that in the stuff they nabbed from OBL there was a good amount of porn.........very interesting. I wonder what the Koran has to say about that???
seeing how women are property & mo took a "bride" (aisha) when she was 7, i'd say they should be rather lax
The man used to live in a cave. If they took my computer and storage devices, they would likely find much of the same.
Or even worse, what does the Bible says about the church abusing children around the world and protecting abusers? Churches have been rather lax dealing with that problem old problem.
Our culture takes them young sometimes too - see FLDS Church (2008 Texas raid on polygamists).
Fundamentalists are wackos regardless of culture or religion. Christians/Jews/Muslims - it doesn't matter.
well for starters: exodus 22:22
The Koran, like the Bible, is a book of fairy tales written a long time ago.
Neither has anything to say about hard drives full of porn.
some reports are saying they use porn to send communication b/w groups. riiiight
Straight or gay? Just trying to figure out if he was a Dem or Republican.
Goat porn I'm guessing.
The "story" of the raid gets more fanciful by the day. You can guarantee by the end of the week the porn found will be gay and/or child porn. In a few weeks it will emerge that OBL was spectacularly underendowed, his wife/wives are ugly as a hatful of arseholes, his kids are retards etc.
OBL was married to Sarah Palin
There is no need to disparage the Bush family like that, good sir.
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Just think what a boost this will be for the porn industry! And better yet! Parody films with uh..."Oh-mama been Shaggin'"....or something.
(Starring Eric Swiss.)
(Starring Eric Swiss.)
new details have been released/leaked
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/ap-raiders-knew-mission-a-one-shot-deal-051711/
I'm highly impressed with the tidy way this was handled by a small team choppering in a guarded compound in the middle of an urban environment, and the single target ferreted out and dispatched with extreme prejudice. I have two words for you, Mr. President: Koch Brothers.
I love it.
is he still dead? who are we going to be terrified of now?
the ghost of fdr?
bully!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/world/asia/15copter.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
U.S. Aides Believe China Examined Stealth Copter
By MARK MAZZETTI
Published: August 14, 2011
WASHINGTON — In the days after the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, Pakistan’s intelligence service probably allowed Chinese military engineers to examine the wreckage of a stealth American helicopter that crashed during the operation, according to American officials and others familiar with the classified intelligence assessments.
Attack on Bin Laden Used Stealthy Helicopter That Had Been a Secret (May 6, 2011)
Such cooperation with China would be provocative, providing further evidence of the depths of Pakistan’s anger over the Bin Laden raid, which was carried out without Pakistan’s approval. The operation, conducted in early May, also set off an escalating tit-for-tat scuffle between American and Pakistani spies.
American spy agencies have concluded that it is likely that Chinese engineers — at the invitation of Pakistani intelligence operatives — took detailed photographs of the severed tail of the Black Hawk helicopter equipped with classified technology designed to elude radar, the officials said. The members of the Navy Seals team who conducted the raid had tried to destroy the helicopter after it crashed at Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, but the tail section of the aircraft remained largely intact.
American officials cautioned that they did not yet have definitive proof that the Chinese were allowed to visit to Abbottabad. They said that Pakistani officials had denied that they showed the advanced helicopter technology to other foreign governments. One military official said Sunday that Pakistani officials had been directly confronted about the American intelligence.
One person with knowledge of the intelligence assessments said that the American case was based mostly on intercepted conversations in which Pakistani officials discussed inviting the Chinese to the crash site. He characterized intelligence officials as being “certain” that Chinese engineers were able to photograph the helicopter and even walk away with samples of the wreckage. The tail has been shipped back to the United States, according to American officials.
Pakistan has a close military relationship with China, and large numbers of Chinese engineers work at military bases inside Pakistan. Pakistani officials have even suggested that the Chinese Navy might eventually have its own base along Pakistan’s coastline.
Several Pakistani officials reached on Sunday declined to comment. The American assessments were disclosed Sunday by The Financial Times. The newspaper cited Pakistani officials who denied the accusations.
When pictures of the helicopter’s tail emerged in the days after the Bin Laden raid, defense experts said it bore little resemblance to a standard Black Hawk helicopter. They said that the helicopter in Abbottabad appeared to have a special coating designed to elude air defenses, and that the Black Hawk’s sharp edges seemed to have been replaced with curved parts that could further confuse ground radar systems.
Pakistan’s anger about the Bin Laden operation was so intense that officials in Islamabad, the capital, hinted in news reports in May that they might allow the Chinese to see the helicopter wreckage, but it was unclear at the time whether Pakistan’s government might follow through on the veiled threats. Pakistani officials also made a high-profile trip to Beijing shortly after the Abbottabad raid, part of a not-so-subtle campaign to show the strength of Pakistan’s alliance with China amid faltering relations between Washington and Islamabad.
Meanwhile, the intelligence services of the two countries have quietly carried out their own spy games. Pakistan’s military spy service, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, arrested a group of Pakistani citizens in May who the agency suspected were working with the Central Intelligence Agency in the months leading up to the Bin Laden raid.
One of those arrested was a Pakistani doctor who had helped the C.I.A. set up a phony vaccination program in Abbottabad. The doctor had set up the vaccination scheme in the hope of gaining access to the Bin Laden compound and getting hard evidence that Bin Laden was hiding there. The doctor remains in Pakistani custody, according to American officials.
The C.I.A., for its part, has continued to carry out missile strikes inside Pakistan using armed drone aircraft, a campaign that has been tacitly blessed by Pakistani leaders but that has further aggravated relations between the C.I.A. and the ISI.
The relationship between the spy services began fraying in the months before the Bin Laden raid, after a C.I.A. contractor was charged with murder and jailed in Lahore. The contractor, Raymond A. Davis, killed two men at a crowded traffic stop in Lahore in January, in what American officials described as an act of self-defense after the two men tried to rob Mr. Davis.
Mr. Davis was eventually released from jail, but American relations with Pakistan declined steadily in subsequent weeks and sank even lower after the Bin Laden raid.
However, amid the recriminations and threats by members of Congress to cut all military aid to Pakistan, some senior members of the Obama administration have tried to dial back tensions before they do permanent damage to the shaky alliance.
Despite the headaches of an alliance marked by mutual distrust and competing agendas, the officials argue, the prospect of Washington permanently severing ties with a nuclear-armed country as volatile as Pakistan would be far more worse
U.S. Aides Believe China Examined Stealth Copter
By MARK MAZZETTI
Published: August 14, 2011
WASHINGTON — In the days after the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, Pakistan’s intelligence service probably allowed Chinese military engineers to examine the wreckage of a stealth American helicopter that crashed during the operation, according to American officials and others familiar with the classified intelligence assessments.
Attack on Bin Laden Used Stealthy Helicopter That Had Been a Secret (May 6, 2011)
Such cooperation with China would be provocative, providing further evidence of the depths of Pakistan’s anger over the Bin Laden raid, which was carried out without Pakistan’s approval. The operation, conducted in early May, also set off an escalating tit-for-tat scuffle between American and Pakistani spies.
American spy agencies have concluded that it is likely that Chinese engineers — at the invitation of Pakistani intelligence operatives — took detailed photographs of the severed tail of the Black Hawk helicopter equipped with classified technology designed to elude radar, the officials said. The members of the Navy Seals team who conducted the raid had tried to destroy the helicopter after it crashed at Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, but the tail section of the aircraft remained largely intact.
American officials cautioned that they did not yet have definitive proof that the Chinese were allowed to visit to Abbottabad. They said that Pakistani officials had denied that they showed the advanced helicopter technology to other foreign governments. One military official said Sunday that Pakistani officials had been directly confronted about the American intelligence.
One person with knowledge of the intelligence assessments said that the American case was based mostly on intercepted conversations in which Pakistani officials discussed inviting the Chinese to the crash site. He characterized intelligence officials as being “certain” that Chinese engineers were able to photograph the helicopter and even walk away with samples of the wreckage. The tail has been shipped back to the United States, according to American officials.
Pakistan has a close military relationship with China, and large numbers of Chinese engineers work at military bases inside Pakistan. Pakistani officials have even suggested that the Chinese Navy might eventually have its own base along Pakistan’s coastline.
Several Pakistani officials reached on Sunday declined to comment. The American assessments were disclosed Sunday by The Financial Times. The newspaper cited Pakistani officials who denied the accusations.
When pictures of the helicopter’s tail emerged in the days after the Bin Laden raid, defense experts said it bore little resemblance to a standard Black Hawk helicopter. They said that the helicopter in Abbottabad appeared to have a special coating designed to elude air defenses, and that the Black Hawk’s sharp edges seemed to have been replaced with curved parts that could further confuse ground radar systems.
Pakistan’s anger about the Bin Laden operation was so intense that officials in Islamabad, the capital, hinted in news reports in May that they might allow the Chinese to see the helicopter wreckage, but it was unclear at the time whether Pakistan’s government might follow through on the veiled threats. Pakistani officials also made a high-profile trip to Beijing shortly after the Abbottabad raid, part of a not-so-subtle campaign to show the strength of Pakistan’s alliance with China amid faltering relations between Washington and Islamabad.
Meanwhile, the intelligence services of the two countries have quietly carried out their own spy games. Pakistan’s military spy service, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, arrested a group of Pakistani citizens in May who the agency suspected were working with the Central Intelligence Agency in the months leading up to the Bin Laden raid.
One of those arrested was a Pakistani doctor who had helped the C.I.A. set up a phony vaccination program in Abbottabad. The doctor had set up the vaccination scheme in the hope of gaining access to the Bin Laden compound and getting hard evidence that Bin Laden was hiding there. The doctor remains in Pakistani custody, according to American officials.
The C.I.A., for its part, has continued to carry out missile strikes inside Pakistan using armed drone aircraft, a campaign that has been tacitly blessed by Pakistani leaders but that has further aggravated relations between the C.I.A. and the ISI.
The relationship between the spy services began fraying in the months before the Bin Laden raid, after a C.I.A. contractor was charged with murder and jailed in Lahore. The contractor, Raymond A. Davis, killed two men at a crowded traffic stop in Lahore in January, in what American officials described as an act of self-defense after the two men tried to rob Mr. Davis.
Mr. Davis was eventually released from jail, but American relations with Pakistan declined steadily in subsequent weeks and sank even lower after the Bin Laden raid.
However, amid the recriminations and threats by members of Congress to cut all military aid to Pakistan, some senior members of the Obama administration have tried to dial back tensions before they do permanent damage to the shaky alliance.
Despite the headaches of an alliance marked by mutual distrust and competing agendas, the officials argue, the prospect of Washington permanently severing ties with a nuclear-armed country as volatile as Pakistan would be far more worse
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My in-laws bought us all 2 dollar Rolex's when the went to china. I'm not too worried.
You know what's sad? Between the American and Pakistani intelligence agencies, I honestly can't say who the probable liar is.