And then the newspaper would go back in time and add the story in the past, so that its microfilm and paper archives seamlessly reflected an announcement from 50-something (?) years ago that never previously existed?
Birthers?!
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Not true.
Ed: Since you're obviously going to ask why not, let me pre-empt:
-Taking oath of citizenship with another country can be a potentially expatriating act
-For a potentially expatriating act to actually result in expatriation, among other things, the person has to be of the age of majority AND commit the act with the intent to expatriate himself.
This is one facet of it, but I'm not going to waste too much time digging into my references. American parents defraud other countries (Mexico, a lot of the time) by claiming their child was born in the other country and/or has rights to citizenship there. Often done for purposes of getting education, health benefits, whatever. Legally, this has NO bearing on the child's status as an American, ever.
Another example of people spouting off about **** they don't actually understand. I am continually reminded of Barry Zuckercorn from Arrested Development when I read this kind of crap.
Ed II: Extra, extra, read all about it if you can stay awake:
http://www.state.gov/m/a/dir/regs/fam/07fam/c22713.htm
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yep, theyd take the Delorean with Doc and go back in time.
before i saw CNN's report late last night, i meant that it wouldnt be that hard for someone to fake it at the time he was born by calling it in. but according to CNN, Hawaii's birth announcements are received directly from the hospital and have no interaction with the family themselves on the announcements.
if they hospital didnt have the direct interaction with the birth announcements (like most states,) then its really not that hard to fake a death and or birth announcement.
But his parents would do this from somewhere abroad in the foreknowledge he'd run for President someday?yep, theyd take the Delorean with Doc and go back in time.
before i saw CNN's report late last night, i meant that it wouldnt be that hard for someone to fake it at the time he was born by calling it in. but according to CNN, Hawaii's birth announcements are received directly from the hospital and have no interaction with the family themselves on the announcements.
if they hospital didnt have the direct interaction with the birth announcements (like most states,) then its really not that hard to fake a death and or birth announcement.
im not saying it was this grand scheme to plot his future presidency. just saying that a birth announcement doesnt mean sh!t legally
I'm still convinced Trump is faking. He's deliberately complicating the lives of GOP hopefuls. It would totally be his style to do so.holy sh!t.put the meth pipe down and call Trump!! he needs to know this! no wonder his birth certificate is "missing or not there!"
Anderson Cooper had a good show last night about Hawaii's "Certificate of Live Birth." they even had someone born on the same day as Obama go and get his Certificate just to prove some things. Im glad Cooper actually called Trump out. finally someone with balls to.
As a guy who did verifications of citizenship for the federal government, I'd say (and know) they constitute part of the totality of the evidence available.
i agree. but by the way he talks, he seems to convinced on his stance....its almost sad how much he believes it.
that might be good for most things related to citizenship identification, but not for being the president.
Does not compute.
Not that a birth announcement by itself is sufficient to prove any citizenship, but to say that specific, relevant evidence should be considered for the rest of us, but not for the President, is asinine.
hmm, that did come out wrong...i meant that it means nothing towards what you need to be president.
you said "they constitute part of the totality of the evidence available," but in reality, why would people not be recognizing it as part of the evidence needed? doesnt the law say you only need a birth certificate?
Hawaii only now issues a "Certificate of Live Birth" and does not give a true birth certificate unless you file a freedom of information petition through the courts.
None of this matters. It's like arguing with a 9/11 truther or $tinkle.
The goalposts, they move...
The goalposts, they move...
There's no law regarding what you need to be President other than the Constitution, which says you need to be a natural-born citizen.
Nowhere does US law fully or exclusively define this term. Even the 14th amendment gives a set of circumstances under which one is born a citizen, but does NOT exclusively define it. (Much to howls of anger from Birthers who desperately wish otherwise, and whose interpretations of US law and regulations are as ignorant as Desmondo's.) If it did, no one born outside the US of US parents could be considered a natural-born citizen, which is outrageous, especially since the US has always readily acknowledged jus sanguinis.
Nor does US law say what proof is needed to determine this citizenship. It's determined by regulations and I assume they can depend on who's asking for proof.
For example, worked on a case where a guy had served in the US Navy and had trouble afterward because he was to all appearances an illegal immigrant; no birth cert, nothing to indicate he'd even spent his childhood in the US, like baptismal or school records, etc. But he got a state judge to sign a court order declaring he had in fact been born in Texas, seemingly based on his sympathy for a veteran of the US armed forces. When he went for a passport, the federal government looked at the court order, said pretty much "meh, that doesn't mean anything, because you can show us no other corroborating evidence to back up your claim to citizenship, and what some state judge says doesn't really matter to us, especially in the face of an obvious fraud."
He sued the .gov for his passport and damages. Dunno how it worked out. Doubt he got it.
Edit: to help clarify the semantics about whether the 14th Amendement is exclusive in its definition of citizenship, I offer the following:
"All persons born inside this Hell's Angels chapter clubhouse are considered natural-born members." Does this mean that ONLY people born in the clubhouse are members?? Of course not. Even if the other rules for membership weren't written down, it's still an absurd conclusion.
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so he's to blame for this:
State Dept. wants to make it harder to get a passport
(or in your case, a 2nd concurrent one)
In a way, yeah.
Jeesus. I hadn't seen that. Requiring all that info from everyone, esp for renewals, is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Blow me down and call me horizontal, are they kidding? And here's me thinking having to get a Japanese birth certificate translated is onerous.
Interesting that this is happening at the same time as they are making it almost impossible to give up your American citizenship. Once the IRS has its greasy mitts around your unmentionables they never, ever let go.
It's obviously a trap.... Anyone that can fill that thing out in the estimated 45min's (or possibly at all) absolutely HAS to be a sleeper agent with their cover well memorized!!!!
Yup.5
all "questions" should be answered at 9:45. hopefully Trump will choke on his wig
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only one problem. anyone who actually believed that Pres Obama was not born here, still wont. and anyone who didn't give a fvck or believed him still does. that has kinda been Obama's point all along.... there was no reason to release the document because it wouldn't convince those who don't trust him/hawaii/etc. etc. "birthers" just want a convenient excuse to be racist and pissed that a black guy is Pres.
1. I love that Trump is taking credit for this release. Yes, he is this important, in his own head.
2. Now the 'debate' will move to the definition of a 'natural born citizen' as the birth certificate shows his father is Kenyan.
3. The next push will be for him to unseal his education and scholarship records.
4. There will be claims that he used international scholarships...
5. Birthers will believe what they want to believe.
Can we please stop wasting time on this isht and pay attention to more important things? Things like our deficit, debt, the three wars, decay of our infrastructure, etc.
2. Now the 'debate' will move to the definition of a 'natural born citizen' as the birth certificate shows his father is Kenyan.
3. The next push will be for him to unseal his education and scholarship records.
4. There will be claims that he used international scholarships...
5. Birthers will believe what they want to believe.
Can we please stop wasting time on this isht and pay attention to more important things? Things like our deficit, debt, the three wars, decay of our infrastructure, etc.
Even if he WAS the reason that this was released, then I think that it is an embarrassment!! To think that you derailed govt for some pety non-issue is sad.. well maybe not that extreme (derailing govt), but there are serious issues out there that deserve attention and he had all these people fixated on this cr@p?
then again, the Birther folks are all nut-jobs anyway so maybe it was better that they were single minded in their focus on this inane topic so that we could get some REAL legislation through (Healthcare, don't ask dont tell etc)
I predict further birther retardedness.
like how Timmy and Jimmy and natural born crips? and didn't become crips later in life like that b-b-b-b-butthole christopher reeves?
so what happened to it being "missing or not there?"
really, who would gaf if their guy was doing their bidding? if ghengis khan were prez, would i be terribly interested in his background?
i'll give barry this: it is a distraction, but does come w/ the territory. i think he even used that phrase when talking about sharp elbows, and not the one that caught his lip.
i'll give barry this: it is a distraction, but does come w/ the territory. i think he even used that phrase when talking about sharp elbows, and not the one that caught his lip.
I highly recommend heading over to wnd.com right now for hearty LOLZ.
Note the quotation marks.
Note the quotation marks.
My wife and I have grappled with the issue about how people can be so.... gullible, and our conclusion is that people only believe what they *want* to believe. They *want* to believe that Obama wasn't born in the US, and so nothing, and I mean NOTHING will change their views on that. They *want* to believe that Obama bailed out the banks with TARP, and so they do, even though it's factually incorrect.
It's why I get so frustrated trying to talk politics with my mother. She's normally a reasonable and intelligent person who can sniff out a lie from miles away. But when it comes to politics she starts spouting the most random, weird, teaparty bullsh!t that takes all of 3sec on google to disprove. But she won't do the extra 5min of fact-checking, she'd rather be upset for months over it. And when she's proven wrong, she'll get defensive with "everybody does it" or "I just don't know what to believe."
Think about everyone you know. Then think about how many people there are in the world. Recognize the fact that 50% of them are below average intelligence.
so either he's beating a dead horse, or, as chrissy puts it: "why are you bringing this up only now?"
both cannot be true.
I do not believe Obama was born at all. He was genetically engineered from stem cells reaped from aborted illegal alien fetuses by Socialist Nazi Islamists at ACORN.
