Well... it seems like it did not make wonders to the PDS shock:
http://husaberg.org/wiki/bladder-vs-piston-pds-shock-absorbers
http://husaberg.org/wiki/bladder-vs-piston-pds-shock-absorbers
CCDB service manual anybody ?
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Is excessive breakaway force and lack of initial suppleness in your ccdb coil something you're actually willing to pay money to alleviate?
I would like to see the same analysis after 50h of riding on each.
I doubt 99.9% of riders could tell a difference between the two in real life. Since the gas charge behind the bladder/ifp is what is being compressed mostly (and not the ifp/bladder) it doesn't seem to translate to a noticeable difference.
I might need to bleach my eyes after looking at that, what a useless test.
Why is that?
Because it's dumb.
You will want to replace the air piston, backup rings, and quad ring. Possibly need to replace oil sealhead and inner damper tube. You will need proper tools and preferably a vacuum bleeder with proper fittings. Is your bike a Trunnion or clevis/plug mount by chance? Those linkage designs plus riding in cold weather side loads the shock causing air to slip from the positive hamber to negative. If you have exceeded the service interval that could be the culprit as well.
Here is a thread on mtbr that discusses what you need to do. http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/cane-creek-double-barrel-air-air-can-service-942272.html It is not too hard if you have the right tools, just be careful not to scratch anything.
May i have the pdf manual pleaseThank you so much for the info Bizutch!
The thing is I live in Madrid, Spain, and the nearest CCDB service center is Tf-Tuned in UK. TF-Tuned has very good prices for selling, but maintenance is an abuse, 200 for reviewing oil levels, gas pressure and o rings, plus costs of shipping Warranty is two years in Europe, so my first service will probably be out of warranty period, and I think it is worth to get the tools and trying to service the shock by myself.
The only difference compared with other brands (fox, manitou, marzo, etc) is the proprietary Ohlins tools, the rest is exactly the same.
Fyi you can get all tools and replacementes for servicing for about 250$ at
http://motorsportsspares.com/fsae.html But most of replacements (orings, oil and so on) are no needed to be got from this shop, so probably the price could be 150$ or 200$, clearly worth it.
For these reasons I think it is a good deal to service the CCDB by yourself if you are used to servicing your hardware, and have the appropriate tools, and of course the pdf that gently Udi sent me
I can not understand the Ohlins secrecy about servicing the CCDB. I asked them for the service manual a few times by email, and no response till now. And for instance, FOX provides you all the info but clearly says at the tech center "At your own risk" if you try to repair or service your fork or shock by your self.
Customer satisfaction is the first thing above all, and as a customer, I think when you buy something, you are entitled to get all the information about the item, including the internals of it.
CCDB shock behavior and performance are amazing, but I had no idea about these issues with servicing, and for that, I will never buy anything from this brand again. In my humble opinion as a client this is not acceptable.
In the end, we are talking about a Mtb shock, not a Space Shuttle....
Thank you all for so interesting information !! If I do the service by myself, this forum shall be the first one to see the pics.
See you on the trail!
*Sorry if my English expression is not ok
http://service.specialized.com/asc/Content/Service/Rear Shocks/Cane-Creek-Service.pdf
This is the latest manual to my knowledge, much better than the old one.
It covers both the DB Coil and DB Air.
Enjoy
Hi Guys, would anyone still have a copy of the CCDB manual and if so could they fire it over to harper_stu@yahoo.co.uk
Cheers
Stu
Cheers
Stu
Hi, sended, hope it helps. Cheers
Whew! While CC makes taking apart a DBair with a simple cheap strap wrench, I can tell you the outer tube was NOT designed to be removed from the main eyelet (with adjusters). Despite having a vice, strap wrenches, heat gun for the loctite and shaft clamps, they're not coming apart.
Well, do you really need to remove the outer tube?
Sometimes. When you want to try something a little custom.
Ok, this make sense, than you need to try harder, heat it more(longer) loctite looses the strenght about 120 celsius.
Well maybe I got impatient with the heat. It felt almost too hot to handle with bare hands but maybe I didn't let it heat 'long' enough.
bare hands is like 60C, in the tech spec for Loctite 243 is, that on temperature 100C it has still 80% of its strenght, and if you can not use any tools(not your case), than you should heat it up to 25OC
Well tried filling her up yesterday with a new bladder in the reservoir instead of the IFP. I didn't really follow the non-vacuum guide since there's a bunch of videos on youtube that show how to refill a shock with bladder style system. Weird thing is when I sealed the shock back up after getting rid of the air bubbles, there were no gaps in the stroke, no noise, and the pressure in the bladder pushed the piston back out nicely. I thought it was good. Put the air can back together and when I got the shock on the bike, all I got was a big squishy mess with little to no damping. I'm wondering if CC has their way of bleeding their shocks because of the two valves, vs a regular MX shock with only the compression valve up top. Add to that, I have a climb switch so that's something else I'll have to figure out. I'm guessing air was stuck up in the four separate adjusters as well as the climb switch. I'll have to try again but go with the way it says in the manual.
Hi. Im from CostaRica and theres no service center near. Could you please send me the pdf file?
coghidaniel@gmail.com
coghidaniel@gmail.com
Here is a working link to it so people don't need to keep emailing it.
drive.google.com
cane_creek_double_barrel_service[1].pdf
drive.google.com
Hi, i can sendi to you, just post here your email adress. CheersHi,could you send me the manual too,i really need it because the local bikeshops told me that they can't do it due to their less knowledge aboute cane creek shocks.Thank you ,peace!
snded. Enjoy. Cheers
How much psi thank you