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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by zdubyadubya, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. Gary

    Gary "S" is for "neo-luddite"

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    Agreed.
    A fucking conti piece of shit smashed me into Tarmac tonight.
    Um a bit dazed but not entirely confused.
     
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    Any of you guys set up mtx rims up tubeless? If so did you use a rim strip or tape? Trying to get these Minions DHs setup. I just used Kapton tape so far. They are leaking down pretty quick. I've not used sealant yet just checking here before I make a mess.
     
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    Flat Tire Defender installed, very simple. Fits so well my e.thirteen valves will be used - no need to release the valve to unseat the tire.

    I suppose ProCore has benefits, those tire levers included in the box are pretty sweet.
     
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    Screen Shot 2017-06-17 at 6.15.59 PM.png Screen Shot 2017-06-17 at 6.19.40 PM.png Screen Shot 2017-06-17 at 6.19.44 PM.png

    Looks like Steve Peat was trying out a new tread at Les Gets this weekend. :clue::nerd:
     
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    So I've been out of the loop for a long time, what tyre is like a comp 16 these days and that they make in 26" still?
     
  6. Gary

    Gary "S" is for "neo-luddite"

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    Highroller II
     
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    6thElement Turbo Monkey

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    I'm loving the 2.4 HR2's tubeless on my new 27.5 DH bike. I've been on DHF's for several years on 26" but I'm liking these even more.
     
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    Gary "S" is for "neo-luddite"

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    Personally I prefer a DHF or DHR2 up front to a HR2 but that wasn't the question.
    HR2s seem as close to an OG Comp 16 as you'll find these days. not the same tho. the HR2 definitely drifts betterer than the ol' michies did but from memory possibly aren't as good in the mud. (it has been rather a long time tho)
     
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    MrBaker87 Chimp

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    The perfect tire for your next bong bike.
     
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    :think:
     
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    Wicked will running backwards. #notonmybike
     
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    Probably an okay rear tire for MSA where the ground is hard and there's not a lot of severe braking. Even on the front, all that surface area and edges will be good on the exposed rock that makes up 50% of the track. I'd be worried traction in all of the dusty/grassy high speed corners though. I'd expect to see something else on the front at least come race day.
     
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    from maxxis via vital:
    "Maxxis Tires and Greg Minnaar have a rich legacy together with countless wins at the highest levels of downhill racing. At the 2016 Mont St. Anne race, Greg approached Maxxis with a tire idea that would combine the “on-rails” cornering sensation he fondly remembers from the original High Roller with the predictability of his current favorite Minion DHR II. A tire was sketched out and sent home with our engineers and then modeled for his approval before the first molds were cut. 27.5-inch and 29-inch samples have been created to allow for testing against the full lineup of Maxxis downhill-racing tires.

    Mont-Saint Anne 2017 was the target race to test this tire due to its mixture of rock-littered forests and wide open high-speed sections. Given its longstanding history as a World Cup venue, it seemed appropriate to bring something new to the table in the search for any competitive advantage."
     
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    I loved getting rider feedback about tire performance, but I always tried to interpret their actual design input in ways that meshed with my understanding of how the tread actually worked. There's a lot of elements of this latest tire that I would have never allowed into a final design for world cup DH racing.

    But then the other aspect of tire design is just a whole lot of trial and error. Again I'm very curious to see what tires end up on the bike on race day.
     
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  15. StiHacka

    StiHacka Compensating for something

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    29" only?

     
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    What happened to the "channel" theory? Going with the "knob vomit" theory?

    Would like to hear more on Greg's request to rail corners. Cuz that tire does not look like an OG High Roller & DHR2 had a child. This tire and the Griffon has me scratching my head.
     
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    Just wait until these come out on sale, grab a set of cutters and throw away $10-15 worth of rubber. That way you'll be amortizing the channel opening costs.
     
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    That's knob something but it may be coming out the other end from where vomit comes from.
     
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    There's still a defined channel on there, look at the pic MmmBones posted up above. I've found that for the slippery blown out baked clay trails I have locally a narrower channel lets me go faster, while if I go 20 miles west to a zone with a softer/less-slippery surface I'm able to take advantage of a wider channel.
     
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    manhattanprjkt83 Rusty Trombone

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    Not sure what to think of that new Maxxis proto...I guess if you never ride anything with a drop of moisture in it they would be good (bike parks around here at points). Otherwise, it would be a nightmare once any moisture accumulated.

    In other news, I am currently testing a pair of Kenda (yes the 'K' word) Hellcats, pretty cool tire so far...
     
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  21. kidwoo

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    What are you testing for? Scope of tort liability law in your state?
     
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    manhattanprjkt83 Rusty Trombone

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    I do some some occasional writing for DirtRag...Mounted them up a few weeks ago, definitely a different Kenda.
     
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    Just discovered my rear minion SS tore off a side knob on my ride last night, probably only had it mounted a month.

    Likely to be warranty viable? Mail order bought from Universal.
     
  24. SkaredShtles

    SkaredShtles I love NEWCASTLE and will ONLY drink NEWCASTLE!!!!

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    Nope. They'll just tell you to quit cornering so hard. :D
     
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    About another 6 or 7 of the L shaped knobs on the same side are clinging on...Going to try for a warranty as I've never had a Minion do this.

    Clearly I turn right harder than I turn left...

    Aggressor acquired on Mr @Full Trucker 's recommendation.
     
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    That worked out very well :bonk:
    Maybe he forgot that the old High Roller was ridden slower back in the day as overall speeds were significantly slower? And still the old HR had a far wider channel and in general a far more open thread then this proto.



    Kidwoo should cut him a few DHR2's for Val di sole. Dude will throw away another WC-overall this way...
     
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    The new maxxis gnaar ... the perfect retirement tire to accompany your retirement wheelsize.
     
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    I'm dump. It looks like 'just nice' bike park tire...but it's not real for anyone who deals with moisture. Where does the griffin sit in all of this? Seems like a real POS to me...why?
     
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    On a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is most likely to result in washing out over a berm in the rain, the Mingnaar is objectively a 10, so that makes the Griffin a 20.

    It makes for a good placebo for a "fast rolling" rear tire for anyone who already doesn't know what the hell their rear wheel is doing anyway though.
     
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    sounds like maxxis should have had a meeting about what they were doing :

    vital : "...a tire idea that would combine the “on-rails” cornering sensation he fondly remembers from the original High Roller with the predictability of his current favorite Minion DHR II."

    pinkbike : “He was really trying to get a tire that would serve as a middle ground between a Minion DHF and a Shorty,”
     
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    Combine all those marketing speeches and you get Knob Vomit ™. AKA Schwalbe.
     
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    The same thing that happened to greg's result using that tire. Out the window.
     
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  33. jstuhlman

    jstuhlman We noticed.

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    #knobpacolypse
     
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    jstuhlman We noticed.

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    jstuhlman We noticed.

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    #knobleventy11!!1!1!1!111!!!
     
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    jstuhlman We noticed.

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    one more...wait for it...
    #knobgobbler
     
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    The new Maxxis Charlottesville DH tire. Covered with knobs that serve no purpose.
     
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    Have you ever been to Mt St Anne?
     
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    Of course not. No one on here actually rides bikes outdoors or has first hand knowledge of what they speak.

    My speculation was based on how the conditions were being reported in the track walk videos/posts/etc from this year. If the conditions at the time of my post were not actually as described, then obviously I was full of shit.

    Your signature quote seems apropos here.
     
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    I see. I've spent considerable time there, I can tell you it's often very wet, with lots of mud. While the rocks do get cleaned in the rain (and it's like, 60% rock), and the dirt is pretty sandy, there is plenty of mud to clog tires up if the lugs aren't spaced very well. Granted it's not clay like, but yea, it's not very hard packed, more like lose over hard. Some runs are full on bogs though.