Feel free to have these discussions. That's what a forum is for. I'm just saying that not every bike is perfect for you, or perfect for me. But this bike might be perfect for Tom, Dick and Harry. Imagine every bike out there having the shortest stays imaginable, that 64.31* hta 6" of travel and the same reach. What would make that bike different/stand out that would send you running to the shop to buy it? Like I said, not every bike is perfect for everyone. My bike company that I can't measure the amount of hate I have for, is Giant. Oil and water. But others SWEAR they're the best bikes in the world. To each their own.