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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by chillindrdude, Feb 27, 2013.
Initial reviews on bikemag sounds promising.
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is this the one that did that stupid fake stolen bike videos for?
45.6" WB in a medium. Not so sure its going to be great for tight technical trails though its basically the same as the 26" version.
Same chainstay length as Devinci's 29er trail bike, 430mm:
Looks like they've avoided the short rider/ wagon-wheel atrocity by not even making a size small!
I almost wonder if they're stealing some of SCB's thunder if in fact their rumoured new bike is a 29er enduro rig.
EDIT - interesting that they're running a chain guide with the new XX1 set up.
no 20mm front axle, no buy
we introduced the Tallboy LT eleven months ago. CG and Nathan Riddle (and others) raced enduros and super D with it.
maybe i'm seriously out of the loop, but how else do you propose the chain stay on the front ring?
XX1 supposedly doesn't 'need' a guide due to ring profile.
i see. i just did a quick little research. the ring looks interesting, but i've bashed my knees enough times from a chain flopping off to not totally trust it yet...
Sniped by dan-o regarding the XX1.
As for the Tallboy LT, I'm sure in capable hands it's a fine bike for practically any racing format. And while I am loathe to assign hard and fast geo numbers to respective bike catogories, I was under the impression that most "enduro" bikes were fairly slack, and had around 150mm of rear travel. The Spesh Enduro 29r is signifcantly slacker than the Tallboy LT (by 2*) and has 20 mm more rear travel. To me, enduro is basically a series of slightly scaled down DH races with some XC pedaling in between the DH sections - so why not ride something that excels going the same direction as Newton's apple but you can still pedal to the start gate without too much suffering? But again, there is certainly room for interpretation as to what an "enduro" bike should be.
And FWIW, I'd be stoked about a 650b Blur LT.
Yup, why people are still messing w/ 15mm makes me scratch my head.
because most of the people that'll be buying it have a scale fetish
Weird, but whatever works I guess...
For a 30-40 gram platform difference? This isn't pro XC.
After testing Scott Genius with 650B wheels and 150mm travel I would love a Enduro with 650B. But 29" no, not for me.
I want to touch the aluminum version with the integrated post right on the bum. Right there.
stoaked that somebody finally figured out how to get the rear end tight on a long travel niner. It looks like a bike you could buy a spare dorado for, and sell every other mountain bike you own. ffun
can anybody with a specialized bike tell me how the cables under the bb hold up? it looks terrible, but they keep doing it, so it must work, right?
Until you watch them trying to sprint it
eh? they look like goons but the rear end looks pretty non-reactive. Maybe not Dw-link magic that keeps your BB higher than it starts out with so you can pedal through rockgardens at double-pro-yaw angles, but I don't see a lot of monkey motion back there. Specialized also appears to have finally figured out that putting the pivot below the chainring isn't the best option.
My Enduro and Reign X have had never had notable problems. Once had to re-ziptie the rear brake line as it wasn't staying put.
I personally think it's pretty damn stupid. I have lots of issues with it. The cables take a beating. Are they running the shift cable down the underside of the chainstay? That's my biggest gripe, I'm constantly having my chain eat through the housing.
Giant and others have routed it through the chainstay to the RD.
Internal cable routing is getting popular even on MTBs now.
Agreed. Bike looks awesome and like it would be a blast, but the cable routing is atrocious.
theres a ton of awesome bikes on the market with stupid cable routing. the Glory is another example w/ its cables/hoses under the BB
They have the internal chainstay routing on the Stumpjumper but I guess they didn't make any changes from the 26 Enduro - its still external. It has more circuitous path than Giant's
Stumpjumper has it:
Nomad 650b please.
I don't get why people are so hung up on 15mm... its not there to replace 20mm, its there to replace 9mm, and that its done. Its pretty damn stiff, its a way more secure setup then 9mm, and I have no problems hucking my meat on a bike with a 15mm axle. People who get hung up on it are nutterbutters
Yeah, that's the line that a lot of people seem to be repeating, but it doesn't make sense to me. I don't want to sit here and get into an argument over stupid stuff, but the reason people are getting hung up (as you say) is that if indeed you were looking to replace a 9mm qr w/ a through axle qr type thing, there's no real reason to not use the existing 20mm standard. If given a choice, particularly among the dh/50mm stem crowd, people would just opt for 20mm and enjoy the peace of mind and compatibility rather than a new standard to save 30g and create some new thing to think about. Instead a new tweener size was created that looks a lot like a new way to make the new stuff incompatible with your existing.
The one saving grace is that it's relatively easy to go between 15mm and 20mm for many newer hubs where it's a matter of changing axles or endcaps.
Also, I don't know what this proves, but you can get a Revelation with a QR in 2013. Not quite dead yet:
Been on a stumpjumper for a year now. In that time, my front der. housing got smashed by a rock and my rear brake hose was torn loose and kinked pretty badly when a stick went into the loop and then into the rear wheel.
Such a good point!!!!! 29ers on smaller sizes look plain wrong (although I'm sure they ride good)
Must say it looks absolutely killer
Would this be in a "similar" league?? HA is slack (67.5), but the wheelbase is significantly longer (448 in slack mode)... Nice bike the Prime is but the spesh seems like a killing machine
You are in luck, the Enduro 29 has an even lower BB than your bike - 335mm - same as the EVO SJ 29 but with more travel. The Enduro 26 is actually over a half incher higher (351mm).
I have to agree re 15mm. Why make it narrower than 20?
As a Prime owner, I've also been wondering how similar the two bikes are. The wheelbase actually seems very similar between the two (1184mm L Prime, 1183mm L Enduro). BB height is also similar. So, imho, these are the 'pros' for each bike (again, just my opinion):
- More travel (10mm more up front, 20mm more in the rear)
- Shorter chainstays (18mm or 0.7" shorter)
- Crabon front triangle (for you weight weenies out there)
- Adjustable geometry (I really prefer the steep setting for more XC rides. Front end wanders a bit on steep climbing in the slack setting, which is very similar to the Enduro's geometry)
- Ability to run a 150mm rear hub (better bracing angle for the large hoops)
- Threaded BB (I've been through many press-fit BB bearings- not a fan)
- It's not a Specialized ;-)
The Enduro does look like a killer bike, though.
9k for the sworks complete is pretty steep. I may spring for the frameset and buy the roval wheelset. Not a fan of the componentry on the rest of the spec.
But i will hold out until april to see what the new offering from SC will be. Also hoping for a Pivot long travel 29r or 650b.