I need to be a musical prodigy to point out that the godfathers of hair metal are hardly the pinnacle of human musical accomplishment?
dubstep vs real music
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Not really my best examples but two of my favorite bands, yes. I've listened to worse....like the Weird Al show I saw a couple months ago, that was just wrong.
Here's another band I've seen live a few times and they put on a good show/music (even though at this one the BEP's put on a better show). And yes, I was at this one also.
amen to that.
van halen was probably the biggest act out in pop music for a few years. the "monsters of rock" tour they headlined was an impressive line up for the 80s. i dunno if someone/thing/band can be overrated if... well if everyone thought they were great. if that's the case, if too many people like something, that would mean its overrated?
i was a music major in college. studied all kinds of stuff going for my masters too from gregorian chant to cage and pop. i know a lot about music, and i can dig dubstep for what it is. comparing dub or any electronic music to anything played "live" is a real tough comparison. its like comparing dancing to architecture (spelling?). if dub (or dub artists) claimed that dub was more complex than mahler 5 or
that said - i have dabbled in the electronic music world on and off for years. believe it or not, making something so simple actually sound very good is REALLY hard. plugging a drum machine and playing two notes on a keyboard can either sound fantastic, or really lame - and the line between the two is real hard to find.
Maybe then you could elaborate where he might fail by using those bands as examples.
My examples of thier greatness might go something like this:
They chose Ted Templeman to produce and coengineer much of Van Halens music and whom also had a hand in producing acts like Van Morrison, Little Feat and many others. Van Halen smartly had a career long association with him. Van Halen was immensly successful and hugely profitable, I would have to say thier greatness is only questioned by a few and mostly ignorant jealous fools.... I don't see the hair band parellel at all.
Aerosmith had Tim Collins as a Manager and he along with Peter Grant changed everything from cross genre Promotion, Recording and Intellectual Property rights, and efficiencies in Staging, Lighting, and Sound accompaniment. Aerosmith to this day is still one of the most profitable touring acts ever....
This thread is getting too serious.
It's about time that popped up.
dude - i'll throw some 1880's - 1890's stuff at you that'll cook your noodle. but the real start of the real out stuff is credited to schoenberg. pierott lunaire. insane what that guy did in that thing. people must have vomited when they first heard it. its brilliant. plus crumb wasn't shooting for a genre with that one. i had the opportunity to meet him actually at a composers forum. there's a lot happening in that one i posted.
but since we're on the topic of electronic music. screw dub, let's drop some acid and get down to milton babbit!
all the ladies would fill the dance floor to that number. if people thought the beatles revolution #9 was groundbreaking, they missed the boat with musique concrete from the 40s and 50s (if we're talking about electronic music). ugh. i'm gonna derail this thread all the way back to gregorian chant.
Any musical equal of Hieronymus Bosch doing stuff hundreds of years ahead of his time or would it be so radical it would be lost more easily than paintings?
You forgot the well written lyrics. I hear Leonard Cohen puts on "Jump" when he has writer's block.
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There's that too. Thanks.
It takes a lot of LSD for me to see any kind of music.
This makes me bust up with laughter.
I will say, I enjoy the dub, including Skrillex. Though I have seen a DJ clear the floor by spinning it out of context (at a goth club, srsly?).
It is all music. Complaining about the sounds they use is as dumb as complaining about using a pedal to intentionally overdrive and distort a guitar amp. And what is the difference between an LFO that makes the dub bass wobble and a wah-wah? Both are frequency filters.
And Crab-Joe-Asshat needs to STFU in any thread about "real" or "good" music
I will say, I enjoy the dub, including Skrillex. Though I have seen a DJ clear the floor by spinning it out of context (at a goth club, srsly?).
It is all music. Complaining about the sounds they use is as dumb as complaining about using a pedal to intentionally overdrive and distort a guitar amp. And what is the difference between an LFO that makes the dub bass wobble and a wah-wah? Both are frequency filters.
And Crab-Joe-Asshat needs to STFU in any thread about "real" or "good" music
Yea ya'll should check out the skrillex and korn song, i like it, it's pretty creazy....and i actually LOVE dance music, so it's pretty amazing to me haha ya, let the hate resume 
If Satch or Vai laid this down, haters would have nothing to say. It is a cool melody.
So let me get this straight. According to this thread good normal music consists of, Aerosmith, Van Halen and Korn?
America and Hall and Oates too!
There was a melody? Music is subjective and opinions are like assholes. Just like you I have one. My argument is that yours has warts and bleeding sores.
You're very good at this internet thing. I'm just going to step back and watch the master school all your asses.....There was a melody? Music is subjective and opinions are like assholes. Just like you I have one. My argument is that yours has warts and bleeding sores.
Buttseckz?
No thank you. Maybe some one else would like to...
What can I say, I like to decorate.There was a melody? Music is subjective and opinions are like assholes. Just like you I have one. My argument is that yours has warts and bleeding sores.
I also admire Westy's attempt to give the impression of an argument via subversive commentary, yet offer no examples of his idea of "music," which allows him to look too cool for school no matter which way the wind blows. Troll-tastic!
Bull****!
EVH is a great guitar player no doubt about it, but the rest are mediocre at best. And Roth? Jesus christ, that guy knows two styles of singing... yapping like a bad rapper, and whining like a bad Prince impersonator.
Why was Hot For Teacher so good? Because Roth didn't have many parts.
Not only that but they are corny as hell too. If corny whiny is a new style, they yup, they pioneered it.
But it's still light years better than dubstep.
Yeah, that's a good idea guys. Stick to your oppositional grammars and keep the bull**** running. After all, something HAS to be better than the other. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from giving something that you don't initially agree with any amount of inspection.
Because it's not like music isn't produced. The argument that one is created by a "musician" and the other by "a fat man behind a computer" is complete bollocks in this day and time. Both electronic and analog musicians edit their output the same way when they're sitting behind a computer - **** up a solo? let's just splice in another attempt. Drop a beat? copypasta that business. The amount of post-production in modern music makes the origins of those recorded sounds a moot point. Even Eddy used this when he created music.
And what about the live aspect? When an analog musician plays live, they adjust their style to fit the feel of the song. When an electronic musician plays live, they fit their songs to the feel of the crowd. It's meta-music, one step over the other. It has its place and function.
"Oh man, but electronic music doesn't take any talent." Are you just intimidated because it's the most democratic form of music in popular culture right now? Composing a song still requires an innate understanding of structure, progression, and theory - it's just the tools between the mediums that differs. Though I guess when we cross generational lines, it's totally fine to deny authenticity. After all, if you don't understand something then its origin must be that of a charlatan poseur.
I've been playing music for the better part of two decades. I don't make electronic music, but that doesn't keep me from appreciating it. Granted, the "dubstep" you guys are railing against is hardly rooted in the real dubstep movement. Think back to when ska in the 90's meant "anything with a horn line," dubstep used to be based on the same characteristics that made dub, dub. King Tubby would feel the complete opposite of alienated had he been given an opportunity to listen to core dubstep. Someone eventually used a syncopated wobble-ish sound and then, "BAM!," what was once honest experimentation suddenly became exploited as a new genre-defining mass-appeal marker. But of course, there wasn't ANYTHING like that with hair metal and their noodly-boring guitar solos and whiney vocal delivery. Those were completely unique and authentic, never exploited ad nauseum until they're stripped of all meaning.
Because it's not like music isn't produced. The argument that one is created by a "musician" and the other by "a fat man behind a computer" is complete bollocks in this day and time. Both electronic and analog musicians edit their output the same way when they're sitting behind a computer - **** up a solo? let's just splice in another attempt. Drop a beat? copypasta that business. The amount of post-production in modern music makes the origins of those recorded sounds a moot point. Even Eddy used this when he created music.
And what about the live aspect? When an analog musician plays live, they adjust their style to fit the feel of the song. When an electronic musician plays live, they fit their songs to the feel of the crowd. It's meta-music, one step over the other. It has its place and function.
"Oh man, but electronic music doesn't take any talent." Are you just intimidated because it's the most democratic form of music in popular culture right now? Composing a song still requires an innate understanding of structure, progression, and theory - it's just the tools between the mediums that differs. Though I guess when we cross generational lines, it's totally fine to deny authenticity. After all, if you don't understand something then its origin must be that of a charlatan poseur.
I've been playing music for the better part of two decades. I don't make electronic music, but that doesn't keep me from appreciating it. Granted, the "dubstep" you guys are railing against is hardly rooted in the real dubstep movement. Think back to when ska in the 90's meant "anything with a horn line," dubstep used to be based on the same characteristics that made dub, dub. King Tubby would feel the complete opposite of alienated had he been given an opportunity to listen to core dubstep. Someone eventually used a syncopated wobble-ish sound and then, "BAM!," what was once honest experimentation suddenly became exploited as a new genre-defining mass-appeal marker. But of course, there wasn't ANYTHING like that with hair metal and their noodly-boring guitar solos and whiney vocal delivery. Those were completely unique and authentic, never exploited ad nauseum until they're stripped of all meaning.
tl;dr - All the "music" you like sucks, and I like *way* better/older/more original/more talented stuff.
Repeat.
edit. Maybe should be -
10 All the "music" you like sucks, and I like *way* better/older/more original/more talented stuff.
20 Goto 10
Repeat.
edit. Maybe should be -
10 All the "music" you like sucks, and I like *way* better/older/more original/more talented stuff.
20 Goto 10
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I should -rep you for not letting this thread die.
