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Evil Empire dh bike?

WestCoastHucker

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i couldn't find the old thread about DW leaving Evil to peruse another interest with the speculation of a new fully from Evil Bikes. i remember there being more speculation with the infamous dw-link being used on that bike. was there any speculation about it being the Evil Empire or was this a ditched design altogether? i know this was an old concept for dw. if this was discussed in the previous thread, could someone direct me to it?



 
binary visions

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DW said the bike was strictly used for some computer data collection and wasn't going to be put into production.

That was some years ago, of course, and things might have changed... but that's been the party line on that frame for a long time.
 
dhkid

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for some reason i though you were talking about the other empire bike:



wonder whats taking that empire so long too.
 
norbar

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dhkid said:
for some reason i though you were talking about the other empire bike:



wonder whats taking that empire so long too.
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Have you read the whole review? The bike is really something. Many great ideas. I wonder what the final version will weight and what would be the real version of scandium one (-40% as they say). Already bombarded the company with some annoying questions :P
 
dhkid

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yea, i have read the whole review. i am not that impressed by it.

besides being something new for bike design structurally, dirt gave it a bit too much hype for everything else.

funny how steve jones is not convinced that its actually just the high pivot point and pulley that makes the bike so amazing over rough terrain.(also note that the editor fell for specialized hype about having a vertical axle path and no chain growth just a couple of pages earlier.) do note that the review doesn't say much about cornering traction and other things that might be important on a dh bike.

all and all, its an amazing step for dh bikes designs, but besides that, i dont see anything too amazing about it besides weight.
 
jonKranked

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its a new application for an existing technology. does it have potential? yes. is it revolutionary in this current iteration? not so much.
 
norbar

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dhkid said:
yea, i have read the whole review. i am not that impressed by it.

besides being something new for bike design structurally, dirt gave it a bit too much hype for everything else.

funny how steve jones is not convinced that its actually just the high pivot point and pulley that makes the bike so amazing over rough terrain.(also note that the editor fell for specialized hype about having a vertical axle path and no chain growth just a couple of pages earlier.) do note that the review doesn't say much about cornering traction and other things that might be important on a dh bike.

all and all, its an amazing step for dh bikes designs, but besides that, i dont see anything too amazing about it besides weight.
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The geo numbers will be rather good so it should corner well (as stated 65HA, BB below 14'' and 17.5C) The susp idea (similar to corsair but with 1 shock) seems like kinda my thing. I mostly for the bike because of that and the idea of putting stress on correct rider position (I've seen to many frames with great geo and crap rider position where you never felt at ease).
Plus if they make it with G-boxx as they say it will be a really nice bike.
 
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norbar said:
The geo numbers will be rather good so it should corner well (as stated 65HA, BB below 14'' and 17.5C) The susp idea (similar to corsair but with 1 shock) seems like kinda my thing. I mostly for the bike because of that and the idea of putting stress on correct rider position (I've seen to many frames with great geo and crap rider position where you never felt at ease).
Plus if they make it with G-boxx as they say it will be a really nice bike.
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Are we all talking about the empire cast alu bike? because as far as I can see it is a single pivot bike with the shock directly driven.

a advantage of the casting is that you dont need gussets to increase weld area.
 
norbar

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djamgils said:
Are we all talking about the empire cast alu bike? because as far as I can see it is a single pivot bike with the shock directly driven.

a advantage of the casting is that you dont need gussets to increase weld area.
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Well it's not a simple single pivot. The idea is similar to corsair > Rearward wheel path prevents bike from loosing speed over obstacles (virtual designs and fsr advertise the rearward part quite a bit) plus you've got an idler pulley which helps the bike pedalling. There were some reviews of the Corsair Crown and from what ppl said after testing at Sea Otter it pedalled amazingly.
 
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norbar said:
Well it's not a simple single pivot. The idea is similar to corsair > Rearward wheel path prevents bike from loosing speed over obstacles (virtual designs and fsr advertise the rearward part quite a bit) plus you've got an idler pulley which helps the bike pedalling. There were some reviews of the Corsair Crown and from what ppl said after testing at Sea Otter it pedalled amazingly.
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it looks more like this, http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/2007bikes/images/600/224-GBR-001530.jpg then the corsair. Just a single pivot with direct shock drive.
 
William42

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norbar said:
Well it's not a simple single pivot. The idea is similar to corsair > Rearward wheel path prevents bike from loosing speed over obstacles (virtual designs and fsr advertise the rearward part quite a bit) plus you've got an idler pulley which helps the bike pedalling. There were some reviews of the Corsair Crown and from what ppl said after testing at Sea Otter it pedalled amazingly.
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It didn't pedal as well as VPP or Meastro (or plenty of others) I felt like. It did pedal *differently* then any other bike i've ever ridden. I'm not saying there was bob - it was simply the most active suspension under pedaling i've ever felt. With VPP, i always feel like the rear end kinda stiffens and locks up when you pedal - moreso then others. I felt like the crown DH was as opposite of that as its possible to get. I'm sure if I pedaled it more and got used to keeping my weight perfectly balanced at all times then it would be awesome, but then again, most bikes are like that. Definitely a cool bike.

And the crown isn't quite a single pivot, but it really isn't till the very end of its travel that you start to feel the difference.
 
norbar

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skatetokil said:
Corsair has a complex linkage behind the chainring. It is not a single pivot.
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The 2nd link is only for the 2nd shock to work. Look at the animation of the suspension. Until activation of the 2nd shock it works like a regular SP[only 1 link working]. Also both companies say very similar things about their susp idea (without the 2nd shock part at corsair. There was some info on mtbr so try to find it)

@William42 well maybe I didn't understand some of the reactions about pedaling but all ppl say it pedals awesome and that's the idea :P Plus I don't think that pedaling on Virtual designs is so cool. I like more how my ellsworth joker xc (altas sp) behaves under pedaling than this strange stiffening of my lapierre.
 
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