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Grumpy old man Axle size question/rant

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by -BB-, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. -BB-

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    Ok... I'm still stuck in the past I guess.

    I remember when everything was a 9mmx110 QR, then the heavens parted and we got the 20mmx110mm forks. At that point it was all easy enough. You either had a QR or a Through Axle... And I've had the 20mm TA ever since. I could swap wheels between ANY of my bikes as needed.

    Then stupid 15mm came along. It wasn't until the advent of Boost that I even realized that a 15mm TA was 100mm and then the BOOST was 110. Wow, what an advancement... to go from that skinny 100 back up to the 110.... THAT WE ALREADY HAD WITH THE 20mm!!

    Now to the present. I was looking through Jenson closeouts and I saw a sweet x-Fusion Metric on sale for 60% off. And it is a 20mm!! Score!!!:banana:

    Oh wait. It is a 20mm x 100mm?!?!?! When the @$$%^& did this axle size spawn from hell?:butcher::wtf:
     

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    It's 20*110, that's a typo in the description, the dropdown has it correct.

    http://www.jensonusa.com/X-Fusion-Metric-HLR-26275-Fork
     
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    Must be a typo, the metric is a standard 20x110mm. And 9mm qr was 100mm, fwiw.
     
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    i'll add my grumpy old man rant on brake mounts. what was wrong with IS mounts? i could easily remove and reinstall the adapter/caliper without having to readjust my caliper in any way. it all just went right back where it was.

    sorry for the derail.
     
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    guys, stop it. if we keep talking about axle sizes The Bike Industry Lizards™ will bestow upon us more axle standards.,
     
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    Next topic - BB standards. :tinfoil:
     
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    I hear Whistler has banned 100mm hubs. Their insurance company was going to drop them because they looked flexy.
     
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    you would need to re-dish the wheel too, correct?

    EDIT- I guess probably no need to dish... in theory!
     
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    yea, no need to redish as far as i can tell (since the flanges on boost hubs are moving by an equal amount)

    so you can use a non-boost hub with the adapter in a boost fork, but you can't use a boost hub in a non-boost fork.
     
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    Wow, you got almost all the facts wrong there.
     
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  20. Electric_City

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    9x100= qr standard that was used since the 19th century.

    15x100= the introductory of a 15mm axle by Fox I believe.

    15x110= BOOST, by Trek (F' you Trek!) brought the disc out more and opened the flanges more.

    20x110= the DH standard for almost 2 decades.

    20x110 BOOST= the new F'd up standard that moves the disc and flange outward.

    Rear hubs- 9x130 (road) 9x135, 10x135 (bolt on), 12x135, 142, 148(boost), 150, 157(boost), 160, 165, about 5 for chubby bikes, Marin has a boost 141, 12 and 15mm axles, 10mm bolt on, 9mm qr....

    Not to mention one-offs like the lefty and the Maverick DUC inverted forks. The mavericks had a 24mm axle diameter.
     
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    I am disappointed we don't have a .45 caliber axle. I wanna be able to shoot my wheel off. Not to mention instead of stupid names like boost we could have names like magnum that make my dick seem bigger.

    Pew pew pew.
     
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    Since you're listing road hubs don't forget 9×120 and 12×100. What's the point though? Do you know how many hub sizes there are in the motorcycle world?
     
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    i feel like this is a trick question
     
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    Nope! And I don't care either. I listed one road size cause of the relevance to the 9x135. Road bikes should have changed decades ago to simplify the entire industry.

    Ps. Don't forget 12x130 also since they're now using thru-axles too.
     
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    fwiw 9x130 is on its way out now that road bikes are being taken over by disc brakes.
     
  26. Electric_City

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    Boost 2.0?
     
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    Ha no. Some cheaper frames are doing 135 spacing, but it seems like 142x12 is taking hold. From what I've seen at least.

    My cx bike is an early adopter disc frame that's 9x135. Impossible to find wheels for
     
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    You obviously didn't notice the el cheapo boost QR version, 9x141. The new Marin trail bike as well as the new Mongoose trail one got that aberration back there.
     
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    Wouldn't 9 x 135 just be a lightweight QR 29er wheel?
     
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    10mm dropouts on the back isn't it?
     
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    That's the one I'm thinking of! It wasn't Kona, but Marin that had their own boost standard.
     
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    Huh, you're right. Bike standards are a hot mess... but JK could easily file away 0.5 mm on each side of the dropout if it came to that.
     
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    Magnum would have been cool, especially if they required all Magnum hubs to be anodized gold.
     
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    I'm not sure I like the way things would go. Having a bike brand getting named "Eastwood" after embracing the Magnum standard and then a putting out a model named "Dirty Harry" isn't that appealing to me...
     
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    That's it then. I am going to make mountain biking great again. I Will trademark the .45"x5.7" MAGNUM hub standard.
     
  36. Electric_City

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    Is it a double barrel?

    Ps. Haro may have that tm'd. They had the .357 and the .357 magnum DH bikes back in the mid 2000's. haro_357cppr_sd_07_m.jpg
     
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    didn't hannah race for them at one point
     
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    Believe it or not, the old bike shop had a Haro poster with Minnar on it in the rainbow jersey that was signed by him. (from '03 or '05) Haro and Lee jeans was the team.

    I believe this was around the time when you bought a Haro with the FSR design that was built by Intense. These bikes had Haro on the DT and on the stays it had Specialized, Intense and Lee' s logo also. It was practically an M3.
     
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    Other odd axle standards that I've had throughout the years:

    My Mr DIRT FAT fork had a 17mm through axle.
    I had that paired to my V1 SantaCruz V10 with its 15mmx140mm rear axle.
     
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