Well according to the newspaper, every latino in Charlotte, NC is going to strike and call in sick on Monday, just to show us how much we need them. How childish.
Headline on the newspaper today.
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Why is it awesome? No one has ever denied that we need migrant workers. Everyone understands that fact except that they dont understand that we understand, so they're striking because they're stupid. What do they expect to get? If I had immigrant workers, Id fire them as a matter of principle and hire new ones who didnt strike out of spite. **** that. You're here illegaly, making WAY better money than you could back home, LUCKY you dont get arrested and deported, and now you want to strike? Yeah, good ideaLordOpie said:
sanjuro said:
no, italian. 18, and probably like -20k a year. and i apologize, i said childish for lack of a better word. the best word is probably going to be niave. thats not the best way to protest. the ultimate way is to get signatures of as many people as possible saying that immigrants are a valuable part of the community. If the majority of a city considers immigrants to be valuable to society, then who can argue with that. I for one would like to see more people doing that than going on senseless boycotts of working or buying consumer goods.
Petitions are great if you are trying to get a park bench built in the suburbs. The menial laborers have almost no political power because they have almost no money.Dirtjumper999 said:
Their only asset is the work that they do, and striking is pretty much the only effective means.
Keep in mind the most successful Mexican-American political leader is Cesar Chavez, who was a labor organizer.
uhhhh this whole immigration strike thing is really pathetic.
"hi, we are illegal immigrant workers that are paid not so well but still 3 times more than we would make back home. Not to mention we are covered by the government for health care in hospitals and american citizens are not. However we want more money for our illegal work so we are going to go on strike to prove to you how much you need us so you will pay us more."
only in america my friends can the illegal go on strike.
"hi, we are illegal immigrant workers that are paid not so well but still 3 times more than we would make back home. Not to mention we are covered by the government for health care in hospitals and american citizens are not. However we want more money for our illegal work so we are going to go on strike to prove to you how much you need us so you will pay us more."
only in america my friends can the illegal go on strike.
There is some big protest scheduled here today. Dunno how big it will get but the news was of course predicting millions of people...
Also, can someone link an article? From the first post it sounds like every Latino is striking, not every illegal . There is a very big difference between those two events [side note: how many people here wouldn't know the difference...?]. If it's every latino (and I'm guessing it is... illegals would have hard time doing this on their own), then it's a pretty amazing show of solidarity.
You've changed your tune - last week you wanted to lynch the public transport employees who were striking.LordOpie said:
Or were they making $2mil/year?
Hang on, you need these guys to do these jobs; they may earn more than they would back home but they also have a higher cost of living and no benefits, yet they cannot become citizens.biggins said:
Maybe you should take up the fight to get slavery back.
Did I?fluff said:
If you were doing something other than trolling, you'd remember that I said they should strike, just not 100% of the work force... keep public transport lines open, just at a significantly reduced rate.
That way, the people who most need public transport can still have it and, ya know, get to work.
Oh yeah, I remember; a strike that doesn't affect people too much, trouble is that tends to be less effective. You can't have it both ways, but it always seems different when it affects you personally. (That's a generalised 'you' btw, I'd use 'one' but then no-you would have clue what I meant...)LordOpie said:
All I wanna know is, who the hell is going to mow my lawn????!
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Or bang all the neighborhood wives while the men are at work...N8 said:
Tenchiro said:
yeah!?
the italian thing was kind of a joke, but after i got off the computer i realized it wouldn't be effective. but yeah its all latinos that went on strike today. i think if it were just illegal immigrants it would be an open invitation to deportations. My scale isn't leaning towards any side really. On the one hand they are ILLEGAL immigrants, then again we are supposed to be excepting to any incomers seeking financial aid or aid from tyrany or etc, etc. now if the jobs that are being taken up weren't having any affect on the young american workers, then i'd be totally for it.
but to go against myself again, they work there asses off for little to nothing, because they know the meaning of the word work. I know that majority of the people in my generation, look for the jobs where they have to do the LEAST work.
I was listening to NPR the other morning and an anonymous contractor got on and explained how even if the workers were legal, he'd totally hire them anyway because they get the work done and ask no questions. And thats true for the most part.
I worked for a brick laying company a while back that had a tendency to hire illegal immigrants. i saw some amazing work and i saw some slack work. once they a guy was 20 feet from a porter potty. he got in a fork lift and drove to the porter potty. this is the end of my rant for a couple hours. its ride time.
but to go against myself again, they work there asses off for little to nothing, because they know the meaning of the word work. I know that majority of the people in my generation, look for the jobs where they have to do the LEAST work.
I was listening to NPR the other morning and an anonymous contractor got on and explained how even if the workers were legal, he'd totally hire them anyway because they get the work done and ask no questions. And thats true for the most part.
I worked for a brick laying company a while back that had a tendency to hire illegal immigrants. i saw some amazing work and i saw some slack work. once they a guy was 20 feet from a porter potty. he got in a fork lift and drove to the porter potty. this is the end of my rant for a couple hours. its ride time.
Bah.... I just looked at their route and the timing.
I basically work smack dab in the middle of their route, and I get off at 3:30 which will put me right in the middle of it.
I basically work smack dab in the middle of their route, and I get off at 3:30 which will put me right in the middle of it.
How many were fired?LordOpie said:
You expect them to buy their own American flags??stinkyboy said:Whre the hell am I supposed to get an enchilada tonight prepared in a very unsanitary kitchen with sub grade meat(s)?!
If only they'd come back to work!
Phoenix:
Apparently in local news, many American flags were stolen from homes...
okay back to rant again. the thing is that on the one hand we have a huge population taking up a lot of space and sucking our taxes away for their free health care and such. They are taking a lot of jobs that are supposed to go to citizens, and they are here illegally yet they hold up their Mexican flags and say they hate this country.
But again on the other side theyusually come make money and leave, just to be replaced by another. They do work hard, and they usually have a good head on their shoulders. They know really just one word, money, and thats typical among some of the highest business men.
So above al of that, I guess its no wonder why its such a huge contraversy. Both sides hold a strong arguement. But here's my stand:
1. Set up stronger border patrols- if they want in they can come in the right way, through our naturalization process.
2. Every illegal alein found must either be deported, or sent through the big Naturalization process.
3. Any crime commited by any immigrant calls for immediate deportation without question. (In the past 5 months there have been more than 7 car accidents caused by drunk illegal immigrants, driving on the wrong side of the road. one of which claimed a dear friend of mine. And none were deported.)
4. Immigration laws should be regulated on the state of the economy. If we don't have enough jobs for our own citizens then why bring more in?
5. Keep a strict regulatory watch on all immigrants prior to their becoming U.S. citizens.
Most of you will probably think that all I am is a stupid 18 year old that knows nothing of politics, and you are right I don't. but i know what seems the most effective, and what isn't working.
But again on the other side theyusually come make money and leave, just to be replaced by another. They do work hard, and they usually have a good head on their shoulders. They know really just one word, money, and thats typical among some of the highest business men.
So above al of that, I guess its no wonder why its such a huge contraversy. Both sides hold a strong arguement. But here's my stand:
1. Set up stronger border patrols- if they want in they can come in the right way, through our naturalization process.
2. Every illegal alein found must either be deported, or sent through the big Naturalization process.
3. Any crime commited by any immigrant calls for immediate deportation without question. (In the past 5 months there have been more than 7 car accidents caused by drunk illegal immigrants, driving on the wrong side of the road. one of which claimed a dear friend of mine. And none were deported.)
4. Immigration laws should be regulated on the state of the economy. If we don't have enough jobs for our own citizens then why bring more in?
5. Keep a strict regulatory watch on all immigrants prior to their becoming U.S. citizens.
Most of you will probably think that all I am is a stupid 18 year old that knows nothing of politics, and you are right I don't. but i know what seems the most effective, and what isn't working.
Well, you got the last part right anyways. Have you even read any of the other threads on this, or why your points are just completely absurd?Dirtjumper999 said:
Have you ever even seen or heard of the "naturalization process"? First of all, it woudl be immigration process. Naturalization is what you get after you have lived there legally for a certain period of time. Naturalizing takes 5-7 years in the USA I believe, 3 after a marriage.
Do you know anything of the visa application process? I do. It takes YEARS and lots of money to apply for a visa, or a very very large coorporate sponsor with massive clout, and lawyers. You usually need either very special skills, or research grants otherwise. The green card is a lottery with about 1000x the applicants are there is green cards.
So if someone immigrtaes to the US has a car accident, they should be deported? Are you Native American? Have your parents ever had a fender bender? Your grand parents? Your great grandparents ever crash their horse and buggy? Now you see how retarded this statement is.
The economy DOES regulate immigration. Americans DO NOT WANT these jobs. Most would rather sit at home and collect unemployment or welfare then raise a finger doing the jobs the illegals are doing at the wages they get. You do realize that the US economy would completely collapse without the cheap labour the illegals do, correct? Textiles, clothing, food service, transportation, manufacturing, farming...all would shut down.
Do you have any idea how many "immigrants" are in the usa? There is 300 some odd million Americans. Unless you are a Native American, you or some member of your family was, at some point, an immigrant. Good luck wacthing the 100 million or so immigrants. You guys can't even keep an eye on your politicians and government employees, let alone "all immigrants".
Stay in school, you have much to learn about how the world works, let alone politics.
maybe he's Sicilian...you know, moorish blood and all?ohio said:
hey, my ancestor's were here before there was a United States, so technically I'm not an immigrant either.Transcend said:
im·mi·grant
n.
1. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
if they came before there was a country, then they weren't immigrants!!!
But back on subject, DJ you might want to read up a little bit on the situation before you start ranting again. Imagine if all the services that the immigrants (legal or otherwise) did for $5/hour, unionized americans did for $28/hour (just like our autoworkers). Would you be willing to pay 5x as much for groceries? Double the amount you would currently pay for hotel rooms? Imagine trying to eat out in a restaurant, where all the food that they buy is 5x more expensive, and then the cooks in the back are making $28/hour as well. Then you have to pay the janitors to keep the place clean, and you'd be sitting down to a $100 hamburger.
That's kind of over the top. Most other western industrialised nations have nothing like the illegal immigration of the US and you can still get cheap food and produce.dante said:hey, my ancestor's were here before there was a United States, so technically I'm not an immigrant either.
im·mi·grant
n.
1. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
if they came before there was a country, then they weren't immigrants!!!
But back on subject, DJ you might want to read up a little bit on the situation before you start ranting again. Imagine if all the services that the immigrants (legal or otherwise) did for $5/hour, unionized americans did for $28/hour (just like our autoworkers). Would you be willing to pay 5x as much for groceries? Double the amount you would currently pay for hotel rooms? Imagine trying to eat out in a restaurant, where all the food that they buy is 5x more expensive, and then the cooks in the back are making $28/hour as well. Then you have to pay the janitors to keep the place clean, and you'd be sitting down to a $100 hamburger.
All we have to do is throw a couple of executives from Tyson foods in federal pound me in the ass prison for hiring illegal workers. Do the same to some large farmers and winemakers in California.
Problem solved.
It'll never happen, and since the illegals themselves don't contribute to politicians, it's easier to just crap on them to look like you're doing something about the problem.
Problem solved.
It'll never happen, and since the illegals themselves don't contribute to politicians, it's easier to just crap on them to look like you're doing something about the problem.
Interestingly enough, a Big Mac in Canada is not more expensive than the US.
Dante, care to explain the chart here?
http://www.economist.com/markets/bigmac/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5389856
Dante, care to explain the chart here?
http://www.economist.com/markets/bigmac/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5389856
Well, lets see:Silver said:
1) how much of the food for that big mac is actually produced in Canada?
2) you do realize that how much it costs to produce something has zero to do with what you sell it for, only whether you should sell it at all, right? or did you sleep through that part of economics?
Well, Canada exports both beef and wheat, so I'm going to assume that is homegrown. The labor sure as hell isn't imported. The workers aren't making $28 an hour...why not? Do you have any idea how much of farming costs are labor compared to capital? I don't have numbers, but since you're talking out of your ass, I'll let you look them up instead of doing the work myself.dante said:Well, lets see:
1) how much of the food for that big mac is actually produced in Canada?
2) you do realize that how much it costs to produce something has zero to do with what you sell it for, only whether you should sell it at all, right? or did you sleep through that part of economics?
So, explain it...how come that Big Mac in Canada isn't $10?
Just to add more fuel to the fire - McDonalds burgers in Canada use top of the line beef cuts, unlike the grade D slop in the US.
Everyone's got 'em???Changleen said: