[The Breaker Man]

Went from a Hadley 150mm 108pt to a Hope 135mm 24pt on my new bike and wish I could still use my old Hadley. Major difference in the engagement point. Not so bad as knees in the bars, but alot more clunky when you get on the power. The ratchet is louder on the Hope, but the Hadley sounded more refined.

 

[Boxxer]

I run hadleys, I9s, DTswiss FRs, and Profiles without issue. I really dont notice the engagement difference unless Im messing with the bike in the stand and going "hey look how fast this hub engages."

comparing some of the slowest engaging hubs to the quickest engaging shows only fractions of a degree of difference.

 

[jonKranked]

as promised, the blurb about the new Halo from Dirt UK

 

[jonKranked]

in other cool hub news... check out what Shadow Conspiracy is doing with their bmx hubs... they're swapping the placement of the pawls and the spline (so the pawls are in the hub shell instead of on the freehub body).

check it: http://www.derpbrap.com/rantv2cassette.jpg

 

[DirtyMike]

in other cool hub news... check out what Shadow Conspiracy is doing with their bmx hubs... they're swapping the placement of the pawls and the spline (so the pawls are in the hub shell instead of on the freehub body).

check it: http://www.derpbrap.com/rantv2cassette.jpg

I have built a couple of wheels with those. Talk about instant engagement!!! Nice job on those

 

[jonKranked]

I have built a couple of wheels with those. Talk about instant engagement!!! Nice job on those

I'd love to see this cross over into mtb/dh hubs. seems like it would be easier to get high engagement.

 

[demo8razor]

dumb question about the halo hub, is that a qr hub? or can i run at through axle? how does that work, have only ever had bolt on through axle hub

 

[jonKranked]

the one pictured is QR, not sure what other options will be available.

 

[demo8razor]

thats what i thought, is halo just a pricepoint type company, or do they make good stuff?

the one pictured is QR, not sure what other options will be available.

 

[jonKranked]

their stuff is good. Not quite the high end that hadley, king, etc are. But definitely not just some el cheapo brand.

 

[demo8razor]

alright thanks, ill have to decide, im not building wheels unless i have money to easily do it, so since thats the case i may go with hadley, but these are an option also

their stuff is good. Not quite the high end that hadley, king, etc are. But definitely not just some el cheapo brand.

 

[mattmatt86]

Damn, now i have another hub option for my new build. Anyone know if the Halos are available in the US yet?

 

[DirtyMike]

I'd love to see this cross over into mtb/dh hubs. seems like it would be easier to get high engagement.

I am thinking also the maintanance will be better, I have seen a few hubs where the engagement ring gets stripped, with this style all you will need is the freehub portion and your back in action!!!

 

[zahgurim]

Halo's stuff is available in the states, from one of the main distributors. Any bike shop should be able to get it...

Halo's gear is all made in Taiwan, rebranded catalogue stuff.
They don't really do their own designing, but do offer decent stuff at a good price.

 

[jonKranked]

I am thinking also the maintanance will be better, I have seen a few hubs where the engagement ring gets stripped, with this style all you will need is the freehub portion and your back in action!!!

not to mention its far easier to fit more pawls in. Try-all (makes trials parts) has a freewheel that's 9 pawls.

 

[DirtyMike]

not to mention its far easier to fit more pawls in. Try-all (makes trials parts) has a freewheel that's 9 pawls.

Thats alot of pawls in a wheel, I am going to check one of those out

 

[FreeRide-Junkie]

I rode a try-all freewheel on my trials bike for a while. I was VERY impressed. I was able to get it right when it came out and I put some hard time on it without a single skip or problem that often seems to come with trials.

 

[Curious_George]

lets say 2 hub has 120 pts of Eng.

One has more pawls than the other, what would it change?

 

[DirtyMike]

lets say 2 hub has 120 pts of Eng.

One has more pawls than the other, what would it change?

The one with more Pawls, has more than one pawl engaged at a time. Making for as stronger engagement. Most hubs with hi engagement strenth isnt an issue anyways though

 

[syadasti]

The one with more Pawls, has more than one pawl engaged at a time. Making for as stronger engagement. Most hubs with hi engagement strenth isnt an issue anyways though

I don't know about that. Hadley abandoned the 108 because they weren't holding up well on average The 6 degree I9 engagement is also stronger than the 3 degree model...

 

[- seb]

lets say 2 hub has 120 pts of Eng.

One has more pawls than the other, what would it change?

Well, number of pawls isn't everything, but assuming they're the same size and material and spring etc in both hubs then more pawls gives:

1) more drag
2) increased reliability (if some pawls slip or break, the others are there to catch)

 

[davep]

I don't know about that. Hadley abandoned the 108 because they weren't holding up well on average The 6 degree I9 engagement is also stronger than the 3 degree model...

Hadley abandoned the 108 because they could not get the needed material any more. There were some bad bearings that caused problems.

 

[syadasti]

Hadley abandoned the 108 because they could not get the needed material any more. There were some bad bearings that caused problems.

Yeah if they didn't have the material they need they wouldn't hold up so they went to the stronger design with less pt.

 

[jonKranked]

Hadley abandoned the 108 because they could not get the needed material any more. There were some bad bearings that caused problems.

My understanding is that it wasn't the fact that they couldn't get the material anymore, its just that the cost was so high it wasn't worth it.

 

[?????]

Anyone know when the Halo hub will be available?

 

[jonKranked]

try emailing them. That'd be my first place to start.

 

[Sandwich]

bump, I feel like this is an interesting topic to revisit and see if we can come up with a list. it's easy to tell what some of the major manufacturers put out, but the smaller ones (like trek, transition, stans) aren't as clear.

 

[Muddy]

I'd went from OE-Style hubs (and being told to only use these in-spite) to resuming what'd been done when getting on with BMX many years ago and lacing up my choice of hubs.

Pro2 EVO HOPE on two bikes and e.thirteen hubs on my race bike.

Higher engagement points should not be allowed a counter-point. Having the ability to throw body-mass in conjunction with proper timed crankset rotation has matchless benefit. Velodrome riders are on fixed gears - the level of drama involved in this Olympic Event is utmost, tells the outcome.

Going the distance upon any build of bike will have higher POE Hubsets found a benefit.

Point and squirt type of riding on the North Shore of back yard jump lines will up stage putting energy into the bike; the end of the day what you get out of your ride is what you put in.

 

[Jm_]

I'd went from OE-Style hubs (and being told to only use these in-spite) to resuming what'd been done when getting on with BMX many years ago and lacing up my choice of hubs.

Pro2 EVO HOPE on two bikes and e.thirteen hubs on my race bike.

Higher engagement points should not be allowed a counter-point. Having the ability to throw body-mass in conjunction with proper timed crankset rotation has matchless benefit. Velodrome riders are on fixed gears - the level of drama involved in this Olympic Event is utmost, tells the outcome.

Going the distance upon any build of bike will have higher POE Hubsets found a benefit.

Point and squirt type of riding on the North Shore of back yard jump lines will up stage putting energy into the bike; the end of the day what you get out of your ride is what you put in.

All your points of engagement are belong to us.

 

[Udi]

Higher engagement points should not be allowed a counter-point.

More engagements = more pedal feedback on non-idler bikes.
Technically it decreases the forward velocity required to generate pedal feedback, so there's a greater likelihood of feedback occuring in practical situations. Contrary to (recent) popular belief pedal feedback isn't really an issue on most bikes but super fast hubs could make it one.

Fast engaging hubs are nice, around 50 is good, no need for more unless you have a dual-freehub bike (eg. Zerode) that will have sloppy engagement unless you get a zillion engagement point hub.

Depending on implementation, some fast engaging hubs can have a lot of drag as well, to the point of being noticeable.

 

[Jm_]

Fast engaging hubs are nice, around 50 is good, no need for more unless you have a dual-freehub bike (eg. Zerode) that will have sloppy engagement unless you get a zillion engagement point hub.

But these hubs go to 11?

 

[Gallain]

DT Swiss has a 18T (engagement angle of 20°), and a 36T (engagement angle of 10°). There is also a 54t (engagement angle of 6,6°) upgrade available. 18t will hold up for everything, 36t requires you to a bit more service. I have seen some damaged but not many. I've been running the 54t for a while now and pulled the springs a couple of mm apart when installing the upgrade and have yet to have issues. But considering that it's so much less material in each tooth you will wear it out faster.

 

[Electric_City]

High POE aren't necessary for DH or super fast, non technical trails like Raystown Lake, PA.

But on techy trails they're one of the top improvements you can find besides suspension. I found out when I sent my hub back to Hadley this year. I put on the stock Bontrager rythym wheel for 2 rides and wow, did it suck. Going thru a techy rock garden where you have to carry momentum and punch it where you can, you find out how much it blows when your foot goes from 3 o'clock, back to 2 and when you punch it you drop to 5 to 6 to get momentum. You're hitting rocks with your cranks and your weight shifts forward. Also getting over rocks and fallen trees- if you back pedal and punch, you're going otb.

On a peddaly bike I'll take Hadley, King, I9 over Shimano, Bontrager and DT any day. On a DH, my DT is good enough on engagement, and very reliable.

 

[ButtersNZ]

Totally agree on the benefits of having more engagement points on techy stuff. I didn't realise just how garbage the 18T POE was on my DT hubs until recently when I jacked the bike up and saw how much wheel movement there was between 'clicks'.

 

[Sandwich]

If it makes you feel any better, the novatec hub on my low end diamondback has 14 POE. That's like 25.7* of movement in the pedals before a bite. Coasting cracks me up, because it sounds like I'm going so slowly.

 

[jonKranked]

High POE aren't necessary for DH or super fast, non technical trails like Raystown Lake, PA.

But on techy trails they're one of the top improvements you can find besides suspension. I found out when I sent my hub back to Hadley this year. I put on the stock Bontrager rythym wheel for 2 rides and wow, did it suck. Going thru a techy rock garden where you have to carry momentum and punch it where you can, you find out how much it blows when your foot goes from 3 o'clock, back to 2 and when you punch it you drop to 5 to 6 to get momentum. You're hitting rocks with your cranks and your weight shifts forward. Also getting over rocks and fallen trees- if you back pedal and punch, you're going otb.

On a peddaly bike I'll take Hadley, King, I9 over Shimano, Bontrager and DT any day. On a DH, my DT is good enough on engagement, and very reliable.

if you're racing, it makes a difference. tick tock tick tock

 

[iRider]

if you're racing, it makes a difference. tick tock tick tock

No, it doesn't. If you need to pedal then you are just not good enough. Ask the YT Mob about that, Gwin and Neko.
As Udi mentioned already, a high POE might even drag you down on your chainless winning run.

 

[Toshi]

As Udi mentioned already, a high POE might even drag you down on your chainless winning run.

With no chain there'd be no freewheeling. Any friction would result in the cassette spinning in concert with the rear wheel--POE irrelevant.

 

[jonKranked]

No, it doesn't. If you need to pedal then you are just not good enough. Ask the YT Mob about that, Gwin and Neko.
As Udi mentioned already, a high POE might even drag you down on your chainless winning run.

so then why hasn't the UCI banned drivetrains for DH?

 

[Muddy]

so then why hasn't the UCI banned drivetrains for DH?

Ferret Legging contests.