[stinkyboy]

After throwing her to the floor, Fordyce threw a microwave oven onto McCann's chest after she refused to heat up sandwiches for him...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060414/ap_on_re_us/microwave_killing;_ylt=Agx1Y20K475OvmNFqIT3CRWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-

 

[DRB]

Rip is one angry dude.

 

[Westy]

Rip is one angry dude.

For the sake of decency they couldn't publish what he did with the fire extinguisher.

 

[stinkyboy]

No mention of a wok...

 

[DRB]

No mention of a wok...

They probably haven't completed the autopsy and found it yet.

 

[Tenchiro]

After returning home and checking McCann for a pulse — and finding none — he went downstairs and drank a beer before going to another neighbor's home and asking them to call 911

The man has his priorities.

 

[MudGrrl]

That is so sad.


That poor woman.

 

[fluff]

I don't mean to diminish the crime, I just wonder about the future of the human race when I see stuff like this; wouldn't it have been less effort to heat his own sandwiches than to start throwing microwave ovens about?

I say microwave him on high for about 5 mins, let stand for 1 min and then bury.

 

[MudGrrl]

I'm sooo mad at the guy, but I can't find it in myself to want to kill him.



ya know?

 

[ohio]

I'm sooo mad at the guy, but I can't find it in myself to want to kill him.



ya know?

No I don't. I'm all for the death penalty in a case like this. There isn no question as to whether or not he's the true perpetrator. He committed a vicious murder of someone very close to him. Kill the ****er. Drop a piano on him or something.

 

[MudGrrl]

drop a microwave on him?

 

[DRB]

No I don't. I'm all for the death penalty in a case like this. There isn no question as to whether or not he's the true perpetrator. He committed a vicious murder of someone very close to him. Kill the ****er. Drop a piano on him or something.

Come on, except for his thieving murdering ways, Rip is a pretty good guy.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Heh!
Let this be a lesson, ladies...

 

[jimmydean]

Guys like that make guys like me look golden. I would agree with the effort it takes to heat up a meal vs. beating the life out of someone.

I recall a guy who lived down the street getting arrested when I was a kid. He came home from work with a new porn movie. When his wife told him his brother had borrowed the VCR, he shot her, drove to his brothers house, shot him, took the VCR and returned home to watch it. When he got home, the cops were waiting for him and arrested him on the spot.

 

[manimal]

I'm sooo mad at the guy, but I can't find it in myself to want to kill him.



ya know?

that's ok, there are plenty of us out there that can. :redhot:

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Guys like that make guys like me look golden. I would agree with the effort it takes to heat up a meal vs. beating the life out of someone.

I recall a guy who lived down the street getting arrested when I was a kid. He came home from work with a new porn movie. When his wife told him his brother had borrowed the VCR, he shot her, drove to his brothers house, shot him, took the VCR and returned home to watch it. When he got home, the cops were waiting for him and arrested him on the spot.

He didn't even get to watch his pron?

 

[Old Man G Funk]

I'm sooo mad at the guy, but I can't find it in myself to want to kill him.



ya know?

I agree. Capital punishment only lowers all of us to his level.

 

[fluff]

I agree. Capital punishment only lowers all of us to his level.

Get a room, you guys...

Actually I know where you're coming from, but surely there is a difference in level between killing someone because they won't heat your sandwich and killing someone because they killed someone who wouldn't heat a sandwich?

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Get a room, you guys...

Actually I know where you're coming from, but surely there is a difference in level between killing someone because they won't heat your sandwich and killing someone because they killed someone who wouldn't heat a sandwich?

Actually we have a room....it's our secret hideout where we do secret LPFC stuff....

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Yes, it's a brutal crime, but is more killing the answer? I don't think it is.

 

[fluff]

Actually we have a room....it's our secret hideout where we do secret LPFC stuff....

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Yes, it's a brutal crime, but is more killing the answer? I don't think it is.

I was just after agreement that killing someone and refusing to heat a sandwich are crimes of different magnitude.

Whilst capital punishment is not something that I favour (for different reasons) in this example it would not lower us to his level as he has commited a rather bigger sin than refusing to heat our sarnies.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

I was just after agreement that killing someone and refusing to heat a sandwich are crimes of different magnitude.

Whilst capital punishment is not something that I favour (for different reasons) in this example it would not lower us to his level as he has commited a rather bigger sin than refusing to heat our sarnies.

Sorry, I guess I didn't really address that.

Is it a different level? Yes and no in my mind. Yes, because killing someone over not heating a sandwich is pretty much as far out there as one can get. No, becase killing is killing in the end (result).

I also have to wonder what drives a person to commit such an act. Did we, as a society, have something to do with it? Are there other factors involved in this? I'm not advocating that people aren't responsible for their actions, but there may be more to the story than that.

 

[MMike]

But what kind of sandwich was it?

 

[Old Man G Funk]

But what kind of sandwich was it?

Finally, someone asks the important question!

 

[fluff]

Sorry, I guess I didn't really address that.

Is it a different level? Yes and no in my mind. Yes, because killing someone over not heating a sandwich is pretty much as far out there as one can get. No, becase killing is killing in the end (result).

I also have to wonder what drives a person to commit such an act. Did we, as a society, have something to do with it? Are there other factors involved in this? I'm not advocating that people aren't responsible for their actions, but there may be more to the story than that.

Well, if God hadn't wanted him to kill then he wouldn't have created microwaves would he?

 

[MudGrrl]

But what kind of sandwich was it?

maybe it was a veggie hot dog in a twinkie with spray cheese sandwich.

 

[GumbaFish]

I'll vote for a hot turkey with gravy, those are so good I could almost kill for one. Well actually more like ask nicely for one to be made, but its such a fine line.

 

[BurlyShirley]

My guess iis t was a philly cheesesteak, cause that's about the only sandwich that Id kill my wife for not heating up.

 

[Tenchiro]

A cold Rueben is an atrocity.

But in this case it was probably a yet to be fried Peanutbutter and Banana sandwich, and she might have lived if Elvis wasn't off his qualudes.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

Well, if God hadn't wanted him to kill then he wouldn't have created microwaves would he?

I can't argue with that.

 

[laura]

I also have to wonder what drives a person to commit such an act. Did we, as a society, have something to do with it? Are there other factors involved in this? I'm not advocating that people aren't responsible for their actions, but there may be more to the story than that.

no, "we" didn't have anything to do with it. there are millions of people everyday raised in different circumstances all over the country who never have a thought pass through their mind about beating someone to death over a sandwhich. It doesn't matter what other factors are involved in this. there is nothing that could validate his behavior besides the girlfriend killing and eating his first born daughter and then refusing to heat his sandwhich up.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

no, "we" didn't have anything to do with it. there are millions of people everyday raised in different circumstances all over the country who never have a thought pass through their mind about beating someone to death over a sandwhich. It doesn't matter what other factors are involved in this. there is nothing that could validate his behavior besides the girlfriend killing and eating his first born daughter and then refusing to heat his sandwhich up.

First, when I say "we" I mean all of society.

And, what are those circumstances? This guy was most likely the victim of abuse himself. Were there places in there where someone could have stepped in and done something to help this guy out? Probably. Would it have stopped this from occurring? Maybe. By killing people, we don't get at the root of the problem. We punish, but we do nothing to try and fix the problem, short of eliminating that person. But, the problem is so much bigger than one person committing one act. You don't have those thoughts about killing someone over a sandwich, so what do you think would drive someone to do it? Do you think he just decided to do it, with no input from his past experiences, etc.?

 

[sanjuro]

no, "we" didn't have anything to do with it. there are millions of people everyday raised in different circumstances all over the country who never have a thought pass through their mind about beating someone to death over a sandwhich. It doesn't matter what other factors are involved in this. there is nothing that could validate his behavior besides the girlfriend killing and eating his first born daughter and then refusing to heat his sandwhich up.

This is a very emotional topic for men and women.

Male RMers, who would never strike a woman under any circumstance, can only laugh at the absurdity of killing someone over a sandwich.

I would imagine most women consider the domestic violence implications, and that this woman's murder was not an isolated incident of violence towards her. I suspect this man probably hit his girlfriend before.

Unfortunately, domestic violence is a cycle for the men and women.

 

[fluff]

First, when I say "we" I mean all of society.

And, what are those circumstances? This guy was most likely the victim of abuse himself. Were there places in there where someone could have stepped in and done something to help this guy out? Probably. Would it have stopped this from occurring? Maybe. By killing people, we don't get at the root of the problem. We punish, but we do nothing to try and fix the problem, short of eliminating that person. But, the problem is so much bigger than one person committing one act. You don't have those thoughts about killing someone over a sandwich, so what do you think would drive someone to do it? Do you think he just decided to do it, with no input from his past experiences, etc.?

So at what point to people take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming us as a society? When they kill their first victim or their tenth?

I am sick of people refusing to accept responsibility for their actions, if he was drunk, he chose to drink, if he was on drugs he chose to take them, if he was prone to losing his temper he could moderate that (it is possible).

He chose to kill her, he could have chosen not to.

 

[The Amish]

that's ok, there are plenty of us out there that can. :redhot:

Word! NO question of guilt. Reap the harvest you've sewn

 

[sanjuro]

First, when I say "we" I mean all of society.

And, what are those circumstances? This guy was most likely the victim of abuse himself. Were there places in there where someone could have stepped in and done something to help this guy out? Probably. Would it have stopped this from occurring? Maybe. By killing people, we don't get at the root of the problem. We punish, but we do nothing to try and fix the problem, short of eliminating that person. But, the problem is so much bigger than one person committing one act. You don't have those thoughts about killing someone over a sandwich, so what do you think would drive someone to do it? Do you think he just decided to do it, with no input from his past experiences, etc.?

How about this: never touch a woman or child in anger. Or is that too much of an absolute?

We can socio-analyze this until the next Joel Steinberg arises...

 

[Old Man G Funk]

To all of you:

I'm not saying that he is not responsible for his actions. I'm not saying he should be let off. I'm saying that I don't support the death penalty (put him in prison for life with no chance of parole). I'm saying that none of us are alone in our society and that we all bear some responsibility for how that society conducts itself. I'm saying that eye for an eye doesn't work, and that we should strive to fix the problems that we as a society have instead of just executing those that we find vile at the moment.

Executing this man in all of our names (as the state does) means that we all share in the responsibility for putting him to death. Should we also not share in the responsibility for trying to fix whatever it is that made him into who he is; a person capable of doing something so heinous as this?

 

[MudGrrl]

How about this:

never touch anyone in anger.

Men are victims of domestic violence too.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

How about this: never touch a woman or child in anger. Or is that too much of an absolute?

We can socio-analyze this until the next Joel Steinberg arises...

Not absolute enough.

How about not touching anyone in anger?

Edit: MudGrrl, your ninja skills have beaten me to the punch.

 

[Tenchiro]

Some people deserve a good beating though.

 

[MudGrrl]

Some people deserve a good beating though.

yeah, that's what my ex thought when he pushed me down the stairs.

it's also apparently what he was thinking when he slammed me up against the wall, held me by my neck and punched me in the face.


now tell me who gets to decide who deserves a good beating.