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Inside Bachmann's Brain
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Sure come on over and we'll have a beer and watch the nightly news........
also, I'm with Mark (and I've stated this before) - we need more christians like andy
and the crazy train continues...
http://www.grist.org/politics/2011-08-08-michele-bachmann-pledges-epas-doors-locked-and-lights-turned-off#.TkFaMdW_qII.facebook
http://www.grist.org/politics/2011-08-08-michele-bachmann-pledges-epas-doors-locked-and-lights-turned-off#.TkFaMdW_qII.facebook
x2, both have been rep'ed as well. Both my folks were crazy Catholic, but had a logical side that wouldn't let them go full retard. My parents never gave me an ounce of grief over not going to church after confirmation. While I was forced to go to church as a child, they didn't beat me to death with their faith that I obviously didn't fully embrace.
While I commend her for fostering children, they don't need to be "saved", just cared for as all children do.
Back to the crazy. Fir those who missed this priceless piece of new coverage:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-13-2011/field-of-dongs
<edit> He's so gay, he refers to the movie Top Gun as "that volleyball movie"
i believe someone's misrepresenting schaeffer, or at least trying to assert there can only be one correct definition of "the early church". a nit, in my view, not worth pursuing
yes. yes, she is.
JD: don't hate on Cam; he'll snap you like a twig
so it would seem the worst accusation that can be lobbed is their heart's in the right place, but don't take the time to consider what harm may come unintentionally. very much like certain liberal policies, they have become that which they loathe
don't believe any particular ideology is foisted upon followers, nor is it to be an article of faith
iow: "is bachmann herself a modern-day politician?"
yes. yes, she is.
JD: don't hate on Cam; he'll snap you like a twig
by *the bible*? no
by select "leaders" injecting their interpretation supporting a priori conclusions & political agendas? without a doubt
she's doing a good job of that herself
Interestingly a fair number of Evangelicals have no problem treating the world like their own personal whore (use it up and throw it away). Literally, the ones I've spoken to and know personally, do not care about environmental issues, they believe that because their getting raptured out of here they don't care what happens to this place.............
Gnostisicim anyone??
I would not be shocked if Mrs. Bachmann held the aforementioned belief.......
makes sense when you look at their anti-global warming stance.
could make a good smear campaign. just show a bunch of kids in a garbage dump. this is the future michelle bachman envisions for our children
do you think that's an issue based upon their practice of their faith, or the pervasive slovenliness of the south at large? littering in CO is a capital offense.
on the contrary, i'm sure she's very much concerned about fod
Don't know about Mrs. Bachmann, but Palin's supporters obviously believe that...
If you’d like to post something that refutes what the NY Times reported I’d be somewhat interested in seeing it.
Hearts in the right place? With the fostering all those girls is all I would agree there.
Otherwise, I would categorize her along with those Evangelicals I mention at the first part of my “Part 1”. Going back to that, if I an engineer can see through the BS of a seminary educated pastor (while the rest of the 10,000 people lap up this poo) there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with a) that pastor and b) his congregation. They don’t care, they like him and his message, and they consume it uncritically.
I would argue this same mindset prevails with Mrs. Bachmann and those who follow her. If your BS is so thinly veiled that I can see through it then there is indeed a HUGE problem with your ideology.
The fact that she is trying to co-opt my faith and twist it to fit her prosperity for whites, God hates government crap just pisses me off that much more.
But yet this group, and Mrs. Bachmann do, and would foist their own ideology upon others if given a chance.
Symptomatic of this (example): conversation with a FB friend of mine who spouted off how crappy it was that the Tea Party was getting blamed for the S&P downgrade (vs. BHO in his mind). I pointed out that is was the Tea Party freshman who dug in their heels and would not compromise causing that vote to go to the 11th hour. He literally would not hear it, and refused to accept it.
This is EXACTLY like the reaction I get with my Evangelical friends whey they say something like: “Jesus preached on hell more than anything else”. When I refute that with facts they just get all cross eyed. They literally refuse to accept it regardless of how many facts I present.
My hyphothesis here is there is a similar mindset / culture going on between these two groups that attracts certain charismatic leaders and followers who are comfortable with uncritically consuming what they are fed by said leaders.
I would say that's a "both and"..........
being stupid and parroting quotes is easier than learning yourself and having to express your own opinions.
edit: i don't mean this as a dig at you, just summarizing
Yeah, but you don't just get to make up answers as part of your engineering background. If you say something is good to hold 20 pounds and it breaks, you have to explain why.
Pastors just get to make stuff up. All their "training" is equivalent to a Scientologist with an e-meter, really.
Thats why theres a need for context and understanding, at least the Scriptures how they fit into their historical context.
The theologian NT Wright spoke about the danger of plucking the Scriptures out of their context. He cited a German theologian (whos name currently escapes me) who spoke in the early 50s. The theorized that around the turn of the century there was a huge push in (at least German) Christianity to find the historical Jesus, mainly pursued by Albert Switzer. The theory was is that about the 20s and early 30s there was a backlash to this historical Jesus. So German pastors and theologians of the time taught about a very un-Jewish Jesus, who they taught hated Jews, thus rejecting the historical aspects of the context of the Gospels. Some might argue this made the holocaust easier for the German people to tolerate.
So for me at least, its serious business when people misuse the Text, especially those who should know better
Currently listening to this: http://www.npr.org/2011/08/09/139084313/the-books-and-beliefs-shaping-michele-bachmann
Jesus CLEARLY states that if youre His follower you have no business running after power like the pagans do ..ah the irony .
So yeah that would be my worst accusation ..massive hypocrisy and hijacking and misusing my faith in the name of political power.
Sorry that just came to me...........
I would also say that having the mindset or ideology that one is suppose to pursue public office / political power because of a cultural mandate that Christians are obligated to fill those positions until the Rapture.
Jesus CLEARLY states that if youre His follower you have no business running after power like the pagans do ..ah the irony .
So yeah that would be my worst accusation ..massive hypocrisy and hijacking and misusing my faith in the name of political power.
Sorry that just came to me...........
Funny you mention this. I've harped on it before (http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237315) but I just came across this gem from November 2010 today:
http://www.good.is/post/representative-doesn-t-care-about-climate-change-because-it-s-not-in-the-bible/
I didn't post on here for a "gun fight"...............
I'd have probably passed over this thread had this not been thrown out there........
Opinion yes, logically / contextually / Scripturally defensable no.
I don't mind different, and if you've got facts and context to back up your position then great. I don't care if you're a Tea Partier, Republican or Dem.........but Christian hypocrites that hijack what is means to follow Jesus for political power piss me the frak off!!!
& now me too
i'm not sure if it's her sound engineers, or if she's a natural, but terry gross can deliver in a very informative & non-confrontational manner.
so the higher the office, the deeper the pit? seems like you're saying "you can't be a leader & a follower", which may make for a clever rhetorical gimmick, but not sure how accurate that would be
Malkin, who I believe is fairly intelligent, is exactly what I hate about most of today's conservatives.She got teh crazy eye too.
Living in SF, I can understand the backlash to much of the liberal pablum you are force-fed from a young age until college.
Many conservatives were actually Democrats at one point, including Bachmann.
But you have to turn a blind eye to ignore the problems of the poor and think conservative solutions with solve them. In actuality, I think the conservatives want the poor to go away, and think up of creative ways to describe their disdain.
a conservative sol'n to poverty involves individual/personal outreach, which takes on at least these forms: living among them to build relationships, buying & distributing food/clothing/shelter, providing bootstrap opportunities (which counter-intuitive to other conservative values includes hiring day laborers)
liberal soln's take that & wrap it in unaccountable bureaucracy, funded by mandate
its very accurate.
there is being a "leader" and there is being a "dictator".
leaders are people who strive for personal betterment and inspire others to "join" with them--"followers of christ" can be leaders in the sense of the word but don't seek that title or refer to themselves as such
bachmann and her ilk strive for nothing but power for the sake of power and seek to "impose" their will/beliefs on others--there is no leadership about that whatsoever.
You think that just because she's asian, don't you?
Yeah, I mean, it's so pervasive, I get sick of hearing about all these conservatives living among the poor and providing them opportunities.
liquor stores don't just appear.
ftfy.
i guarantee a mcdonalds in the ghetto is not going to be franchisee owned....well meaning white guy with money....but a company owned one.
The poor aren't included in the rapture, are they? I mean, I don't want my forever life to be filled with a bunch of poor folk.
I find the creation of schools like Regent University (founded by Pat Robertson) very disturbing. There is a large group of evangelicals and other religious quacks out there that are systematically procuring money through all sorts of business ventures (the family channel anyone?) specifically to create educational institutions and avenues that allow them to change US policy in their favor. Really, it is not all that different from the Taliban's tactics in the least.