I don' t think that the 2010 Sunday will have any similarities with that Bike.
"I'm not usually a praying man, but if you really are up there, please don't let Sam stay with Iron Horse next year Superman!"
The folks at Iron Horse share my vision for building bikes with real, proven suspension technology, rather then concocting some gimmick to market for another few years before the next new gimmick
couldnt have put it better myselfahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Iron Horse goes from zero to hero, then back to zero. What freakin morons.
I suspect that's why half of them jumped ship last year.Brilliant. It must be terrible for the employees to hear this news.
and i thought i was the site moronI know that everybody hates Ellsworth and Tony in particular, but the suspension design is pretty nice, especially for XC/Trail bikes...now if they can implement it in a sound package backed with good customer service, I think they'll be fine.
I think you're wrong. The Ellsworth suspension design is fantastic and has a great reputation. How many times do you hear "it rode great...BUT"? It's their company/CS that sucks. If all IH did was license the suspension then great for them (although FSR for faux-bar could have worked fine too). Now if only IH could partner with someone to improve their quality control they might have something interesting.The suspension design isn't horrid in the least. It's a bike frame, which isn't a very complicated mechanism.
The biggest problem that I see is Ellsworth has a long standing history of sub-par customer service, some big engineering flaws in past products, and laughable geometry for there more competitive longer travel bikes.
Hopefully IH is doing everything external of Ellsworth. Unfortunately even if they do, I'd reckon that the Ellsworth reputation, even if it pertains to the past, will overshadow anything that IH does.
Ummm........isn't that what he said?I think you're wrong. The Ellsworth suspension design is fantastic and has a great reputation. How many times do you hear "it rode great...BUT"? It's their company/CS that sucks. If all IH did was license the suspension then great for them (although FSR for faux-bar could have worked fine too). Now if only IH could partner with someone to improve their quality control they might have something interesting.
"He can build you a birdhouse"I'm having vivid flashbacks of Dangerous Dan now, thanks
I read a lot of sarcasm in his post. Thought it was quite funny :biggrin:and i thought i was the site moron
You mean like this?When in hell is the industry going to produce a properly excuted horst link bike!?
Horst link has the potential to pedal as good as any vpp or dw link out there but The horst link (chainstay pivot I think) should be dropped way lower and foward of the rear axle with a properly positonned top link
Wasn't it the bandwagon bike about 3-4 years ago, before the Sunday came around?We all need to focus on the new "Bandwagon" bike........... The Demo 8.
is today the first day in april ??
That was the "Pre" Bandwagon edition. If Sam Hill did really sign with them, the Demo just became........... The Best Bike Ever!!!!!Wasn't it the bandwagon bike about 3-4 years ago, before the Sunday came around?
I know that everybody hates Ellsworth and Tony in particular, but the suspension design is pretty nice, especially for XC/Trail bikes...now if they can implement it in a sound package backed with good customer service, I think they'll be fine.
Yes and even that M1 has the potential to pedal better, if it had a walking beam top link that pushed back the CC further backward!You mean like this?
That would back a step back in time for them (remember the SGS?).......... which never looks goodFrom all the possibilities... Why couldn't just go FSR for example.