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AngryMetalsmith

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Jun 4, 2006
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Are not most of you atheist?
The only people who blather on and on about God, Jesus and the Bible more than Evangelical Christians are Atheists.
If you've read anything on here, you may have noticed that God, Jesus and the Bible are rarely ever mentioned in a context other than sarcasm.

Most of us don't give a shit if you worship Jesus or a head of cabbage. But coming on here to play the poor victimized, oppressed Christian is absurd.
 

jackalope

Mental acuity - 1%
Jan 9, 2004
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in a single wide, cooking meth...
Most of us don't give a shit if you worship Jesus or a head of cabbage.

I do like cabbage.

* embraced by many cultures
* besides the occasional eye watering gas emission, I never annoy people by talking about it
* good source of fiber
* inexpensive to acquire, nor have I ever felt compelled to pay more than the asking price at food lion
* I believe in it...mainly because I can see it, smell, and eat it
* has been around well before mithras
* I can easily grow it myself and not have to rely on other people to provide it for me (although I do like how the grimy Thai place down the street cooks it)
* it's a true vegetable
 

FSM

in this bullshit mess.
Jul 1, 2013
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I do like cabbage.

* embraced by many cultures
* besides the occasional eye watering gas emission, I never annoy people by talking about it
* good source of fiber
* inexpensive to acquire, nor have I ever felt compelled to pay more than the asking price at food lion
* I believe in it...mainly because I can see it, smell, and eat it
* has been around well before mithras
* I can easily grow it myself and not have to rely on other people to provide it for me (although I do like how the grimy Thai place down the street cooks it)
* it's a true vegetable
Um, Pasta....HELLO.....

A pox upon you, heathen!
 

JohnE

filthy rascist
May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
Does that include Buddhism




Lol okay. Look you cannot just Google-fu some verses without any context and call that Research™.
There are extremists within Buddhism, so yes it does.

Like many of us here, at one time or another I have been tortured with church and right wing religion (Grew up in the town Billy Graham went to school in...) and was beaten over the head with Scripture and exposed to my first Right Wing hypocrites. Believe me, I fluent in many different Scriptural verses. When taken in context, they are often helpful in dealing with lifes challenges, just like the teachings of the Buddha.

But when taken out of context, they are as dangerous as anything on the planet. Just like many other teachings.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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the US is never going to make everyone in the world happy.....no matter what we do.
 

stevew

resident influencer
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although i think if our next president....no matter from what side.....went eight years and just minded his own fucking business....someone would still be mad.
 

jstuhlman

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Almost by definition...

FWIW, my belief path, as I grew up, was free inquiry, with examination of various religions, all of which were superficially attractive, until one burrowed in and discovered no substantial core, just the demand to believe absent evidence. For a while, in reaction to those in thrall to these fantasies, I announced as an atheist. As age annealed my views, I decided that atheism is arrogant. I have no evidence that god(s) exist, nor that they don't.

Some people take comfort from religious views. I have come to view this as a reaction to fear of the universe, of the unknown, and of the absence of whatever inner strength is necessary to be able to assume responsibility for one's own actions in a confusing and turbulent world.

I believe in right and wrong, but do not feel a need for god(s) or people who claim to represent them to define these values for me.

As a result, comparison of religions seems not particularly useful. Religion might be a piece of what often causes people, alone or in groups, to behave horrendously, but it's a piece, large or small, of a larger pattern.
Sooo...agnostic it is? Having grown up a preacher's kid who can never remember having ever "believed," that has always seemed to me to be the most reasonable path, although i've found athiesm's rage against the machine appealing at times..
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
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Atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. From the Greek atheos, without gods.

And because "one didn't start as an atheist" (but is one now) does not equal progress, growth, learning, etc. Most of us "started" in much better shape physically too. See entropy. "The gradual decline into disorder" is a law of physics. And stuff.
Actually it does indicate growth and learning. What was once a blind faith built upon a 3000 year old book started to fall apart as I learned more about science and other, earlier religions from the Messopotania. Region. Even in it's simplist form of geology (potential of Black Sea filling being the historical reference) and the flood mythology of all religions prior to Judeo-Christian mythology (Ziusudra, Gilgamesh, and Hindu flood mythology). It is very easy to start piecing together historical reference points in the bible to occurrences known prior to biblical timeline. The more you step away from one religion and become a student to study all, the pillars on which religion is built become painfully weak.

And what makes you think I even attend church? That I don't read the bible? I absolutely read the bible, and value what it says over the most accurate, educated preacher there is. It's not easy to understand, and is easy to misinterpret, but yes I read the bible.
Your rhetoric is strong and very familiar to those of the die hard church goers. As for it being easy to misinterpret, who is to say that your interpretation is correct? There are many, many hypocrisies and conflicting statements within the bible that makes for very difficult reconciliation. And what of the missing books? I cannot remember off hand, but there are a few references to other books, which seem to be missing. Things such as the Dead Sea scrolls which mirror some of the missing books, but contradict future books. (I'm on my phone and too lazy to source it)

Based on your last two paragraphs, I would hate Christians too. Where are you getting this oppression of women, outright hate, etc?
I think JK answered that sufficiently.

And Jesus was not involved in politics. I think that's where a lot of the confusion and mislabeling is coming from. Yes he behaved how socialists claim too (but do not, in the strictest definition, looking at socialist countries). But that is not a contradiction for me to: help others, donate money and resources to those in need, etc in my private life... And to also think the government should not be involved in mandating and "governing" (read: skimming & corrupting) those acts.
You are associating two very separate things here.
1. Historically, most countries that call themselves socialist are far from it. The USSR was a dictatorship. Venezuela is in large part, a dictatorship. What most here and most supporting Bernie as referencing the Western European nations with very, very progressive tax structures that use those funds for the benefit of all citizens. Socialist (single payer) health-care provides cheaper, better healthcare to the citizenry because the drive for profit is curtailed. Socialist infrastructure (fully government funded), good roads and rail systems, safe bridges, levees, etc. That is all funded by higher taxes. Something like 30% of the bridges in the US are structurally deficient (http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/a/#p/bridges/conditions-and-capacity). We have one of the highest homeless rates and worst metal care rates in the developed word. All of this is paid for by taxes. Giving as an individual is nice, but it doesn't cut it when it cones to keeping a nation functioning.

2. Jesus might not have been political, but by definition of what socialism is, he was it.
 

stoney

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Make it a cow, and you've got a deal.
That's not what the book says. I can have (marry) a raped daughter for 50 pieces of silver and a goat. I'm just trying to follow the book verbatim.

And while we're at it, I will come down there and stone you, because your moto gear is of more than one material.
 

stoney

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Oh right, because the jews weren't allowed to bargain shop. :rolleyes:
Not according to the book. It had a price. I'm just reading what the book tells me. There is no other interpretation that can be had. Just what the book says. Only silver and a goat for you.

I'm not sure why you are challenging this though, because I'm just going to be stoning you when I get there, so...
 

Pesqueeb

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Feb 2, 2007
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I'm not sure why you are challenging this though, because I'm just going to be stoning you when I get there, so...
I seem to recall the book saying something about He who is without sin casting the first stone. Remove thine plank from thine eye fornicator! I remember the shenanigans of your former avatar! Does Jesus have thine hoodie?
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
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I seem to recall the book saying something about He who is without sin casting the first stone. Remove thine plank from thine eye fornicator! I remember the shenanigans of your former avatar! Does Jesus have thine hoodie?
I read the popular parts of the book and asked Jesus for forgiveness. He told me that all of those horrible things i did in the past are forgiven. Now shut up and stop avoiding the rocks.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding the baggage carousel.
Can I get a couple nice 19 year old Swedes?
You can!

44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. 45Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another.
- Leviticus 25:44-46
 

stoney

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You render unto ceaser, duh.
how do you handle slaves for inheritance tax purposes? 3/5?
Wrong book. You're referencing the constitution:

Constitution said:
Article I, Section. 2 [Slaves count as 3/5 persons]
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons (i.e., slaves).
 

Westy

the teste
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It's in Leviticus. If you want a slave they have to be foreigners. I suggest Mexico or Canada. MMike is available I suppose.

To those Christians who dismiss the violent and weird shit in the Old Testament, as well, old and not applicable to modern christianity, let us not forget that the new testament says in reference to the bible Part I.

It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
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To those Christians who dismiss the violent and weird shit in the Old Testament, as well, old and not applicable to modern christianity, let us not forget that the new testament says in reference to the bible Part I.

It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
Don't you give facts per The Book! The interpretation of The Book is a right provided by my religion and the Constitution. Which was written by Jesus.