[Samirol]

so when does the line cross from "moral" pin-point pursuit of 'mercan enemies intent on attacking us (either w/ or w/o consent of u.n. or host country) to an "immoral" war?

not-so-oddly relevent to this thread

In the other thread, I wasn't posting the moral option, I was posting the most effective one to reach the goal that you set up.

The most moral option would be to stop economic neo-colonialism, reduce the armed forces to 1/100th of its current size, etc.

 

[?????]

In the other thread, I wasn't posting the moral option, I was posting the most effective one to reach the goal that you set up.

The most moral option would be to stop economic neo-colonialism, reduce the armed forces to 1/100th of its current size, etc.

And speak which language?

 

[Samirol]

And speak which language?

Esperanto

 

[Defenestrated]

It is almost like all wars done by a military in recent history are immoral and shouldn't be done

It has always been a personally held and curiously unpopular viewpoint, leading me to believe that most people are either vile self interested scum, or easily fooled by said vile self interested scum.

 

[$tinkle]

hamas' crimes against journalism

 

[$tinkle]

 

[$tinkle]

from vox.com

the stupid is strong with this one

 

[$tinkle]

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2482929/gaza_israels_4_billion_gas_grab.html

those sneaky jews!

 

[stevew]

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2482929/gaza_israels_4_billion_gas_grab.html

those sneaky jews!

they could be sneakier without the war.....

 

[$tinkle]

http://www.truthrevolt.org/israel-revolt/hamas-instructing-people-how-lie-about-civilian-casualties

Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don't forget to always add 'innocent civilian' or 'innocent citizen' in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.

Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase 'In response to the cruel Israeli attack,' and conclude with the phrase 'This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza.' Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of 'the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction.'

Beware of spreading rumors from Israeli spokesmen, particularly those that harm the home front. Be wary regarding accepting the occupation's version [of events]. You must always cast doubts on this [version], disprove it, and treat it as false.

Avoid publishing pictures of rockets fired into Israel from [Gaza] city centers. This [would] provide a pretext for attacking residential areas in the Gaza Strip. Do not publish or share photos or video clips showing rocket launching sites or the movement of resistance [forces] in Gaza.

To the administrators of news pages on Facebook: Do not publish close-ups of masked men with heavy weapons, so that your page will not be shut down [by Facebook] on the claim that you are inciting violence. In your coverage, be sure that you say: 'The locally manufactured shells fired by the resistance are a natural response to the Israeli occupation that deliberately fires rockets against civilians in the West Bank and Gaza'..."

The interior ministry also published suggestions for Palestinian activists who speak to Western civilians via social media. They emphasized that conversations with those Westerners should be conducted differently from conversations with their Arab contacts:

When speaking to the West, you must use political, rational, and persuasive discourse, and avoid emotional discourse aimed at begging for sympathy. There are elements with a conscience in the world; you must maintain contact with them and activate them for the benefit of Palestine. Their role is to shame the occupation and expose its violations.

Avoid entering into a political argument with a Westerner aimed at convincing him that the Holocaust is a lie and deceit; instead, equate it with Israel's crimes against Palestinian civilians.

The narrative of life vs. the narrative of blood: [When speaking] to an Arab friend, start with the number of martyrs. [But when speaking] to a Western friend, start with the number of wounded and dead. Be sure to humanize the Palestinian suffering. Try to paint a picture of the suffering of the civilians in Gaza and the West Bank during the occupation's operations and its bombings of cities and villages.

Do not publish photos of military commanders. Do not mention their names in public, and do not praise their achievements in conversations with foreign friends!

 

[JohnE]

Let me get this straight...whose side are you on?


Idiocy on either side is not adequate justification for idiocy by the idiots of the other side...

 

[DaveW]

Just for you stinky.
Err and apologies in advance for irritating as fu*k autoplay.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-student-union-sets-war-room-sell-gaza-massacre-facebook

 

[DaveW]

Let me get this straight...whose side are you on?

Trollside of course.

 

[$tinkle]

Let me get this straight...whose side are you on? .

"God's" side, of course

Trollside of course.

same thing?

 

[DaveW]

No...

 

[DaveW]

Err unless by "God" you were referring to Loki?

 

[FSM]

Err unless by "God" you were referring to Loki?

 

[Jesus_Christ]

Piss off newb.

There's only room for three of us in here. Which means one. But also three. Sh!t gets complicated.

 

[JohnE]

Isht just got all real up in here...

 

[DaveW]

NSFW (probably)

https://twitter.com/Belalmd12/status/490455257831309312/photo/1

 

[$tinkle]

Praise Allah! There IS a God!

http://therightscoop.com/even-bill-maher-defends-israel-on-gaza-do-you-really-expect-the-israelis-not-to-retaliate/

 

[JohnE]

"...in light of the extremisim and fanaticism of their opponents." Yeah...because there are no extremist fanactics on the Israeli side of the guns.


Zealots make me sick. On the right or on the left.


But on topic, I dont find this justifying Israels actions of late...it simply justifies Israels right to defend itself, which I will never begrudge them. But the fact that Israel continues to oppress the people of Gaza and treat them as second class citizens cannot be justified any more then the tunnels those idiots have dug.

 

[Jm_]

"...in light of the extremisim and fanaticism of their opponents." Yeah...because there are no extremist fanactics on the Israeli side of the guns.


Zealots make me sick. On the right or on the left.


But on topic, I dont find this justifying Israels actions of late...it simply justifies Israels right to defend itself, which I will never begrudge them. But the fact that Israel continues to oppress the people of Gaza and treat them as second class citizens cannot be justified any more then the tunnels those idiots have dug.

Most of the arguments assume Israel is a "valid" country. Most of the ME see's it as an illegitimate state established by the West. Some are actively trying to "take back" the land. It's a ****-sandwich.

 

[jonKranked]

Most of the arguments assume Israel is a "valid" country. Most of the ME see's it as an illegitimate state established by the West. Some are actively trying to "take back" the land. It's a ****-sandwich.

my solution - kick everyone out. salt the earth. put up a big ass wall. now no one gets it.

 

[$tinkle]

then you'd appreciate this:

 

[$tinkle]

obviously:

 

[Nick]

Inevitable??

 

[FSM]

Piss off newb.

There's only room for three of us in here. Which means one. But also three. Sh!t gets complicated.

Bitch, please.

 

[$tinkle]

remember when TNR used to be a knee-jerk left wing mag?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118788/israels-war-gaza-morally-justified

 

[Jm_]

Piss off newb.

There's only room for three of us in here.

There was never enough room.

 

[$tinkle]

knock, knock

 

[DaveW]

Hooray for collective punishment of the civilian populations!

 

[JohnE]

But they called all the residents of the building prior to the strike to warn them...

 

[stevew]

knock, knock

so i'm guessing they know someone from hamas is living there so they just leave a camera on it 24-7 to catch the inevitable bombing?

 

[Pesqueeb]

Hooray for collective punishment of the civilian populations!

Just like god commands.

 

[dante]

Just like god commands.

Pfft, until they demand universal circumcision and then go in and kill everyone anyway they're only playing "just the tip"...

 

[DaveW]

Circumcision of minors is just the tip of their behavioral problems.

 

[$tinkle]

for funzies

 

[stevew]

 

[dante]

Yeah...... If you listen to the clip she says "We have to confirm with the Qataris who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization, maybe they could use their influence to, um, calm things..."