Kicking Ass in Libya!
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Jebus, you even used the same source. :facepalm:
Jebus, you even used the same source. :facepalm:
Same story, different response.
Best part is, we convinced the Arabs to present it as their and idea and got France to do our dirty work. Kudos to Hillary for pulling that **** off. Anyone who doesn't think this was diplomatic brilliance probably thinks Mayor McCheese is a good politician.
You sayin' he ain't?
He could debate Palin. That would be sweet.
Palin/Gingrich/Fox News can spout all the crap they want, but with diplomacy, you want the smartest, subtle, hooked-up dudes making the decisions and pulling the trigger.
Otherwise you have John Bolton:
"Hey John, how did that Iraqi thing work out? And the Afghanistan project?"
bolton to sanjuro..."work in progress motherfvcker.....work in progress!"
Yeah just stay the course for another decade (maybe 2 for Afganistan) and you should have mission accomplished. 
Don't ever feel that you need to actually accomplish the mission before you call mission accomplished. Unconstrain your thinking man!Yeah just stay the course for another decade (maybe 2 for Afganistan) and you should have mission accomplished.
These things always seem to start out "kicking ass", but then...
Shock and awwwwwwww......
Better?
And I just keep thinking back to our previous two presidents. One of them directed an air war against a dictator who was brutalizing his own people that resulted in a) few (no?) allied deaths, b) a relatively cheap price tag and c) achieving the desired outcome (overthrown by his own people). The other physically invaded two separate countries and WE ARE STILL THERE losing billions (trillions?) of dollars and thousands of lives.
Which one would you emulate?
I am curious what KQGadahfi has been up to over the last decade or so. I remember he was in the news every day when I was teenager. Then he found jesus or something and was nice all of a sudden?
This whole thing makes me sick. It's just another example of politics at work. Reminds me of Saddam's tale.
Gadaffi has always been a ruthless dictator, but at a certain point he was useful to occident, so despite his terrorist attacks and kidnapping foreign citizens, he became the "nice pal in north africa" who helped control al qaeda in the zone (thus helping preventing al qaeda's from growing power and "spilling" it to nearby countries, a greater threat), sold us gas at nice prices and made other not-so clear favours. This came at a price; he gained legitimacy, toured Europe and was welcomed by kings and PMs alike, not so long ago (oh, and the terrorist was freed, came back to Lybia and was welcomed by Gadaffi himself, if I recall correctly).
Just a few days after the uprising, Europe cut all relations with Lybia, which makes me wonder if they were expecting an incident like this to happen, so they could break the "contract" in a favorable way and still look like they do it for the sake of humanity. What about Egypt, Morocco, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.? Why didn't they act as fast, or act at all? I guess they're either too powerful or too useful as of today to mess with them, even less to surround them with our war machines. But one day, it will happen again.
I just hope the lybian soon find their way and they avoid becoming another Irak...
Gadaffi has always been a ruthless dictator, but at a certain point he was useful to occident, so despite his terrorist attacks and kidnapping foreign citizens, he became the "nice pal in north africa" who helped control al qaeda in the zone (thus helping preventing al qaeda's from growing power and "spilling" it to nearby countries, a greater threat), sold us gas at nice prices and made other not-so clear favours. This came at a price; he gained legitimacy, toured Europe and was welcomed by kings and PMs alike, not so long ago (oh, and the terrorist was freed, came back to Lybia and was welcomed by Gadaffi himself, if I recall correctly).
Just a few days after the uprising, Europe cut all relations with Lybia, which makes me wonder if they were expecting an incident like this to happen, so they could break the "contract" in a favorable way and still look like they do it for the sake of humanity. What about Egypt, Morocco, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.? Why didn't they act as fast, or act at all? I guess they're either too powerful or too useful as of today to mess with them, even less to surround them with our war machines. But one day, it will happen again.
I just hope the lybian soon find their way and they avoid becoming another Irak...
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Why is no body bombing Bahrain, or Yemen? Both of these countries are openly executing protesters in the streets, yet nobody is doing anything about them.
How long till Quadafi has another airliner blown up, or something worse?
*edit: We can add Syria to the mix too I guess.
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Why is no body bombing Bahrain, or Yemen?...
My point is that the reasons for "civilized countries" to do anything from consider enemy another country, to bring them war, have little or no relation to human rights. I believe it's just a matter of power and/or convenience. Gadaffi crossed the line from "useful" to "annoyance"... If they aren't thinking about Bahrain and Yemen is probably because it's better to leave them that way for now (same with many countries in africa).
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I was agreeing with you.
My point is that the reasons for "civilized countries" to do anything from consider enemy another country, to bring them war, have little or no relation to human rights. I believe it's just a matter of power and/or convenience. Gadaffi crossed the line from "useful" to "annoyance"... If they aren't thinking about Bahrain and Yemen is probably because for now it's better to leave them that way for now (same with many countries in africa).
I'm sorry, english is not my mother language, so expect me every now and then to type some weird things / misunderstand simple sentences...
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These are all good questions, although I would keep working on your writing "he was useful to occident".
My point is that the reasons for "civilized countries" to do anything from consider enemy another country, to bring them war, have little or no relation to human rights. I believe it's just a matter of power and/or convenience. Gadaffi crossed the line from "useful" to "annoyance"... If they aren't thinking about Bahrain and Yemen is probably because for now it's better to leave them that way for now (same with many countries in africa).
The first question I thought of is "Is Gaddafi losing control vs Baharain/Yemen?" There is not much point doing fly-overs if it is unarmed protesters vs tanks/machine guns, but it looks like all-out-warfare in Libya.
The next question is exactly what is our relationship with Baharain, which seems to be a fairly dependable (or possibly, easily manipulated ally). Whatever it is, it better change considering what they did to their protesters.
Thank you sanj. All these people saying, "why didn't we go into X also" are ignoring the obvious differences in the situations just to spout their stupid imperialist conspiracy crap.
So does Obama get to join the war criminal club now?
Or do you have to deploy ground forces before that counts?
I'm waiting for someone to have the balls to impose UN sanctions and no fly zones over Saudi, since they seem to be pretty quick to squash any uprisings of their people.
Or do you have to deploy ground forces before that counts?
I'm waiting for someone to have the balls to impose UN sanctions and no fly zones over Saudi, since they seem to be pretty quick to squash any uprisings of their people.
Now we have an F-15 down...
Meanwhile back in Afghanistan............
Ironically at the moment US$1 will buy you A$1.05.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/victorian-neonazi-used-as-medic-in-afghanistan-20110322-1c58u.html
Ironically at the moment US$1 will buy you A$1.05.
and one pilot missing
both pilots are accounted for and out of Libya
So....... how many names have we taken?
To borrow from my recent Facebook comments:Meanwhile back in Afghanistan............
http://www.theage.com.au/national/victorian-neonazi-used-as-medic-in-afghanistan-20110322-1c58u.html
Ironically at the moment US$1 will buy you A$1.05.
I am disappointed that this "Victorian Neo-Nazi" didn't involve a skinhead wearing a cutaway frock coat with swastika arm band, top hat with a spike, and some waxed facial hair.
And I believe if we're gonna do Libya right, we need to get some classic 80s air warfare going on--anyone wanna go pull the F-14s and F-111s off the blocks in the Reagan Library's driveway?
This was the point I was trying to make earlier. Were not going to that with SA or Bahrain or Yemen, etc, etc because they sell everyone cheap oil and are easily manipulated. Sure the citizenry is oppressed, people are tortured and lots of other horrible things but we can look past all of that as long as they leave the taps open.
Not that it's a totally invalid point, but should the existence/toleration of one bad regime mean we are forbidden to act against another? Or is it incumbent on us to launch a synchronized worldwide war of consistent moral crusading if we're going to do anything??This was the point I was trying to make earlier. Were not going to that with SA or Bahrain or Yemen, etc, etc because they sell everyone cheap oil and are easily manipulated. Sure the citizenry is oppressed, people are tortured and lots of other horrible things but we can look past all of that as long as they leave the taps open.
Most reports are saying the pilot was picked up by marines and the weapons officer hung out with rebels for a while and is now in US custody. Sounds like we have some folks on the ground.
yeah i see that now. apparently cnn's iphone app is a few hours behind.
its a good thing we've been nice to those rebels. i do love how everyone is walking on the downed plane with live ordnance still present
When Bush was in office
Conservatives: War, **** Yeah! **** the French we can do it ourselves.
Moderates: War? Huh?
Liberals: WTF No!
When Obama is in office
Conservatives: War, NO! waste of money. Conspiring with the French, The New World Order is taking over.
Moderates: Huh? WTF
Liberals: Well OK, I'm not comfortable talking about this.
Conservatives: War, **** Yeah! **** the French we can do it ourselves.
Moderates: War? Huh?
Liberals: WTF No!
When Obama is in office
Conservatives: War, NO! waste of money. Conspiring with the French, The New World Order is taking over.
Moderates: Huh? WTF
Liberals: Well OK, I'm not comfortable talking about this.
Marine expeditionary forces have a Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel team standing by whenever someone's in the air. They probably came in via helicopter from offshore before or when the plane went down.
bat-21?
Yeah they seem like a swell bunch of guys. Guys we can do business with.
My spidey sense is telling me you're swelling in the gonadical area at the chance for some jarheads to sing the Marines' Hymn while actually in Tripoli. You can take the boy out of the Marines.......
Naturally. Forgot they're actually in service now...
What could go wrong?
What we wouldn't all give for an OV-10 sometime.