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The human raccoon
Jan 31, 2003
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I guess they are wrapping up loose ends ... Sayid, Sun, Jin ... damn.
 

UNHrider

Monkey
Apr 20, 2004
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jack may have been right. sawyer pulled out the wires which tripped the bomb, we dont know for sure if jack was right, but i believe he was.
 

Greyhound

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Jul 8, 2002
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i guess Jack was wrong
Naaah....Jack wasn't wrong. I'm assuming you're talking about the bomb, right? Jack was right in his assertion that nothing would happen and the bomb wouldn't go off if they just let the timer run out. Remember, the same thing happened in the Black Rock ship a few episodes ago with Richard Alpert? Locke cannot kill any of the candidates directly, but he can coerce others into doing it for him. Fake!Locke knew that they would try and disarm the bomb-when Sawyer pulled those wires out, it was then him setting the bomb into motion....not Fake!Locke. He only gave them a bomb with a running timer....it just wasn't armed until Sawyer pulled those wires. Technically, they could have just kept on going and gotten off the island and it would have been the end of the story.

I was very intrigued when Sayid said to Jack "...You're the one." Makes me wonder if having his soul claimed by the darkness has given him an insight to future events, or if Desmond gave him a heads up when the two of them were having that conversation at the well last episode.
 

Prettym1k3

Turbo Monkey
Aug 21, 2006
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Question: Did anyone see the preview for next week's episode that had a really quick flash of Locke's eyes? They were all black.

That doesn't have much to do with anything. Nevermind.
 

reflux

Turbo Monkey
Mar 18, 2002
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Anybody else un-moved when Sun, Gin and Sayid died? Also, you guys think Lapeenus (sp) is alive?
Sun and Jin - Yes.
Hurley - Yes.
Jack - Meh.
Lapidus - Good question.

Why is it that Jack, Claire, and Locke didn't recognize each other in the alt-universe?

What happens to Sun, Jin, and Sayid in the alt-universe now that they're dead on the island?
 

UNHrider

Monkey
Apr 20, 2004
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why would jack, claire, and locke recognize each other in the alt universe? They were just on a plane together, as far as that timeline goes. granted some have had flashes to the island, theyre not connected to themselves on the island, like it seems desmond is.

i would guess lapideus is still alive, so far if a character has been killed off theyve been shown dead/being blown up.
 

reflux

Turbo Monkey
Mar 18, 2002
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why would jack, claire, and locke recognize each other in the alt universe? They were just on a plane together, as far as that timeline goes. granted some have had flashes to the island, theyre not connected to themselves on the island, like it seems desmond is.

i would guess lapideus is still alive, so far if a character has been killed off theyve been shown dead/being blown up.
If you marginalize the relationships between Jack, Claire, and Locke, I suppose you could summarize the relationship of everyone on the island as "they were just on a plane together."

Hurley and Libby recognized one another.
Sun recognized Locke as they were being wheeled into the hospital together.
Daniel Faraday told Desmond that he recognized Charlotte.
 

Greyhound

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You guys are on the right track.....Some of our characters are recognizing that there is something "off" about their lives in the alt-timeline. Instances of bliss or unconsciousness aid in our characters being able to have both time lines "bleed" into one another. Sun was in a semi-conscious state when she was brought into the ER after being accidentally shot by Jin in the alt-time line. She recognized Locke as her mind was slipping between the two time lines in that state. Daniel Faraday had that same thing happen when he saw Charlotte...true love. My suspicions are that as we move through these next 4 episodes, we'll see these kinds of things happen more often and with a much more profound effect on these characters.

Obviously, we know that the island is underwater at some point in the real time line. It sinks. We're gonna have to assume that Fake!Locke is unsuccessful in getting off the island, and the castaways find some way of defeating him--most likely at the expense of everyone's lives to get there.

You can tell how Jack is starting to put things together in the alt-time line. All of these people that were on the flight from Sydney are now starting to show up intertwined in each others lives and showing up at his hospital on a daily basis. Desmond has got this whole thing figured out, though. He's going to be the catalyst that gets this whole ball rolling, but we've yet to be given a clue on how these time lines are going to reconcile themselves. My thoughts are that all of the castaways have to sacrifice themselves in some way in order to eliminate the original time line altogether so that the alternate time line become the only time line.

Confused yet?
 

UNHrider

Monkey
Apr 20, 2004
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If you marginalize the relationships between Jack, Claire, and Locke, I suppose you could summarize the relationship of everyone on the island as "they were just on a plane together."

Hurley and Libby recognized one another.
Sun recognized Locke as they were being wheeled into the hospital together.
Daniel Faraday told Desmond that he recognized Charlotte.
I guess I didnt convey my point correctly, but in the Alt time line their relationship to one another is trivial, until they make the connection to themselves on the island. But so far the only people who are making connections to themselves and their past on the island are people who have had near death experiences (ie desmond, sun, charlie), or people who were in love on the island. But it seems the people who are in love must physically touch one another to get that connection like we saw with desmond/penny and hurly/libby.

It seems like some of the characters recognize one another, like the interaction of jack and desmond on the plane, but until they have a near death experience it seems to be written off as deja-vu.
 

Greyhound

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Jul 8, 2002
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I guess I didnt convey my point correctly, but in the Alt time line their relationship to one another is trivial, until they make the connection to themselves on the island. But so far the only people who are making connections to themselves and their past on the island are people who have had near death experiences (ie desmond, sun, charlie), or people who were in love on the island. But it seems the people who are in love must physically touch one another to get that connection like we saw with desmond/penny and hurly/libby.

It seems like some of the characters recognize one another, like the interaction of jack and desmond on the plane, but until they have a near death experience it seems to be written off as deja-vu.
You got it!! :thumb:
 

brungeman

I give a shirt
Jan 17, 2006
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a few words come to mind when reflecting back on the ending.
lame and weak to name a few.

I was expecting more from it due to the way this series has kept the attention of the viewer.

It seems like a cop-out ending... like this is the easiest way to end it, and tie up loose endings in one big comercial filled episode.

for those of you that have "Target" in your markets how funny were those adds! :rofl: at least they were mildly entertaining.
 

MMike

A fowl peckerwood.
Sep 5, 2001
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just sittin' here drinkin' scotch
That 737 really should have had a beeping back-up alarm for when they reversed it out of the bushes.....that would have been a nice touch.

And Mr. Eko? I guess he was extraneous anyway........................
 

stevew

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Sep 21, 2001
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That was a rather lame ending. SO much not addressed.

And could there have been ANY MORE COMMERCIALS??
you could have watched bret michaels win celebrty apprentice.

boy did you fvck up!
 

conor

Monkey
Jan 19, 2009
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i thought it was a good ending, what didn't they explain apart from the island's purpose and they basically did explain that they whole way through just not a concrete definition, which would have been very hard to do anyway. can't see what more you guys could want from it, although mr ecko would have been cool.

i think the reason why ecko ect weren't in it was because they didn't get to pass through because they didn't deserve it hence why ben stayed outside.
 
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MMike

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Sep 5, 2001
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...and it might have been nice to know what the light was.......it can make people travel through time, split you off into an alternate universe, knock airplanes out of the sky, turn people into smoke monsters......(and why didn't Desmond or Jack turn into a smoke monster BTW?)

brimming with lame.
 

Greyhound

Trail Rat
Jul 8, 2002
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agreed.

to the people who didnt like it, what else were you looking for?
We're an instant-gratification society. Everyone loves to have their answers on a plate with a side of sweet potatoes.

Just a killer story about people whose lives didn't really "begin" until they crash-landed on this island. Lots of good stuff about free-will, choice, and your destiny being what you make of it-not what other people tell you it will be. I got it....thought it was well-conceived considering the 6 years of mythology they had to tie together.

Loved Hurley's line to Ben outside the church about him "being an excellent #2" to his being in charge of the island. I wonder how long Hurley's tenure as island protector really was? Very cool.
 

LokiLopez

Monkey
Sep 7, 2005
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agreed.

to the people who didnt like it, what else were you looking for?
Seriously? I don't even know where to start.

- What really was the island? Even before the "crap" about them being all dead the island was already strange.
- Who where the others? Who where the people at the temple? Why did the temple have a "healing pool"?
- What's the deal with the numbers?
- Why did Jacob bring them to the island in the first place? To die?
- Who build all the crap on the island(temple, cave with the light, statue, magical lighthouse)?


... the questions never end. The storyline was just all over the place and still makes no sense, even if they where all dead or whatever. I think the writers were the one's "lost" and they never knew what they were doing and they couldn't tie everything together.
 

Greyhound

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Jul 8, 2002
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Seriously? I don't even know where to start.

- What really was the island? Even before the "crap" about them being all dead the island was already strange.
- Who where the others? Who where the people at the temple? Why did the temple have a "healing pool"?
- What's the deal with the numbers?
- Why did Jacob bring them to the island in the first place? To die?
- Who build all the crap on the island(temple, cave with the light, statue, magical lighthouse)?


... the questions never end. The storyline was just all over the place and still makes no sense, even if they where all dead or whatever. I think the writers were the one's "lost" and they never knew what they were doing and they couldn't tie everything together.
I'm sorry you feel that way....that's a bummer, man.

If you're looking for these types of answers, then you didn't really get what the show was all about in the first place.


But.....in the interest of bouncing the thread around a little bit, I'll see what I can do for you:

-The island is what it is. A representation of the light and dark that exists within all of us from the day we are born till the day we die. The light was a metaphor for the "good" inside all of us that needs to be protected from corruption.

-The Others were simply an amalgamation of different groups of people that had been beckoned to the island over the years by Jacob in an effort for Jacob to prove to his brother that man, at his heart, is capable of making the necessary choices to defeat this corruption through free will despite the temptations of evil and selfishness. All very biblical in nature if you look at it like that.

-The Temple: did you notice the water channels leading out of the bottom of the waterfall where Jack and Desmond were? I suspect this was the water that supplied the healing temple.

-The numbers: Jacob had a thing for numbers. They didn't mean anything. That was just something the viewers had built up in their head as being more important than they actually were.

-Jacob(and his predecessors) brought people to the island in order to help them. Yes, there was death...but there most always was redemption before death. The people brought to the island were already broken or needed a push from the island to get to that breaking point so that they could fix themselves.

-Who built all that crap? Hey, the island has been in existence since the beginning of days. It has been moved several different times and in those times, it has been positioned near many important cultures- ancient and new, who have all contributed something to the island in the way of temples, statues, barracks, tunnels, symbols, etc. No one culture did it all..It was a combination of all the efforts that created this place the way we as viewers experienced it.
 

conor

Monkey
Jan 19, 2009
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Ireland
seriously some people are never happy unless they are moaning about something. if you want everything to be explainable and handed to you on a plates stick to documentaries. lost was one of the best shows ever made, had a few stumbles along the line, but how anyone could be dissatisfied with that last ep is beyond me. i thought it was brilliant.
 

James

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Sep 11, 2001
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-The numbers: Jacob had a thing for numbers. They didn't mean anything. That was just something the viewers had built up in their head as being more important than they actually were.
If I recall correctly, the numbers were the seat numbers for the candidates, but I think the rest of the mythology was a bit overblown as to their importance.