August is a fucking dream come true in Montana, it's warm and mostly dry but not the pre-inferno dry heat of the Colorado Rockies.Do you suppose it'll warm up by August?
Montana Rider's private tour for Treesaw in SW MT, 8/17-27 2017
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Damn near back to winter in late August!
Not in my experience, in most cases you are good to ride through October, the 2016 season lasted much longer.
you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...
I suggested the later part of August so breeders could get their kids to school, the trails would have the highest probability of being cleared of deadfall and most importantly:
the bears are "usually" not quite yet in hyperfagia by then.
As the slow fatty, I am most likely to be eaten, when the racer boys stir up the hungry bear and I toddle along 30 mins later...
Stage 4—Hyperphagia is a period of excessive eating and drinking to fatten for hibernation. Black bears with unlimited food and water ate 15,000 to 20,000 kcal per day and drank several gallons. Large amounts of water are needed to process the large amounts of food and rid the body of nitrogenous waste. Daily urine volumes for two bears were 2-4 gallons (8-16 liters). Nitrogen losses were 2.4 to 3.7 ounces (69-104 grams) (Nelson et al. 1983).
https://www.bear.org/website/bear-pages/black-bear/hibernation/191-5-stages-of-activity-and-hibernation.html
While in hyperphagia, grizzly and black bears gorge and gain up to four pounds a day as they forage for anything and everything even remotely edible. And for a bear, that really can mean just about anything.
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Grizzly bears eat up to 20,000 kcal a day.
http://www.nature-track.com/Sept-26-2013_Hyperphagia.html
@Serial Midget had talked about pre-riding some of the rides prior so you're welcome to ride our singletrack whenever you can make it up...
#themoreyouknow
#SHENANIGANS
This is true - I'll pre-ride with MontanaRider and take the gopro so monkey's can preview the awesomeness of the various trails. Plus by time August rolls around I should be ready for a 50K mountain run should anyone care to join. 
This is sounding like a trip we might be able to make (part of). We have to be back for 8/28 so we would need to arrive back in ny on or before 8/27. That being said, we would need to leave by the 24th I think as we're travelling with the girls and our camper. What's the dog policy? Ours is a great trail dog, but can also be an a-hole (likes to get into garbage and will eat anything!) if he isn't tired out...which shouldn't be too big a problem if he's going out on rides.
We'd also really like to take some time in Yellowstone with the girls...not sure if there is any riding in or around there, but just putting it out there.
We'd also really like to take some time in Yellowstone with the girls...not sure if there is any riding in or around there, but just putting it out there.
Prescient time for a bump, as I have a note to make reservations for the BZN campsite [Hyalite Reservoir area] for the first two days of riding [17th/18th] next week when 2017 dates go live online.
The other sites I had in mind are either free and/or first come first served [no reservations] so that's all good until August
Pending a non-binding head count, I'll probably reserve 2 sites and could tack on Wednesday 26th, if monkeys were planning to arrive Wednesday
@StiHacka
@Serial Midget (in)
@eric strt6 (doubtful)
@Pesqueeb
@johnbryanpeters
@Full Trucker
@junkyard
@Heidi
@TreeSaw
@BadDNA (doubtful)
@stevew (will snark for cheap beer)
@canadmos
@SkaredShtles (will snark for beer)
@w00dy
@carolpeters
The other sites I had in mind are either free and/or first come first served [no reservations] so that's all good until August
Pending a non-binding head count, I'll probably reserve 2 sites and could tack on Wednesday 26th, if monkeys were planning to arrive Wednesday
@StiHacka
@Serial Midget (in)
@eric strt6 (doubtful)
@Pesqueeb
@johnbryanpeters
@Full Trucker
@junkyard
@Heidi
@TreeSaw
@BadDNA (doubtful)
@stevew (will snark for cheap beer)
@canadmos
@SkaredShtles (will snark for beer)
@w00dy
@carolpeters
Dogs are fine (except for Yellowstone, but you can presumably leave them in trailer when hiking...)
The majority of rides are <1 hour drive from W Yellowstone (entrance) but you could also hit sections of the park coming out, I can make more specific recommendations offline (Beartooth HWY FTW)
I will bring everyone a delicious ham sandwich on one of those days. With spicey mustard and beer. Already working on my climbing legs.
Tentative in. I have a lot of work in that area all year, should be easy peasy.
OOF, might be up in the air, coworker left and that is technically my busy season. Before I could have swung it with him covering. Now..... 
Curious though, has anyone ridden in Salmon, Idaho?
Curious though, has anyone ridden in Salmon, Idaho?
I haven't made it down to Salmon to ride but there's someone on MTBR (tim?) Who posts regular TR...OOF, might be up in the air, coworker left and that is technically my busy season. Before I could have swung it with him covering. Now.....
Curious though, has anyone ridden in Salmon, Idaho?
I think this details some of the goods:
http://www.ridesalmon.com/salmon-trails
Yah, I've been checking out tha site. I'm intrigued.
i may tag along with @carolpeters (that's my Mom) and bring my wife and 7 year old. is it too late to be the first tardy sign up?
Its never too late in Montana, although I have heard that attending children need to be well trained beer assistants. 
And will be given espresso and a free kitten.Its never too late in Montana, although I have heard that attending children need to be well trained beer assistants.
Somebody's bringin' their mom? Is she gonna cook? 'Cause having a grammy at camp... that makes camp officially Awesome™.
Nice.
Have you ever met a wolverine?
The more the merrier...
This is correct, all (child) servers are required to pass a quiz to ensure no session beers will be served.Its never too late in Montana, although I have heard that attending children need to be well trained beer assistants.
no, I ain't gonna cook . . .
I am going to practice making whole wheat and almond flour flapjacks, if successful I will make them for all. As long as the women folk chop the wood. That is not a euphemism.
My oldest is excellent at cooking bacon and I have a huge portable grill/griddle that we will be bringing.
Also -- I have been told that I chop wood well (euphemism or not lol)
What about a double session?
Picked up an Altec Lansing Life Jacket 3 Bluetooth speaker today, it has 30 hours of battery life suitable for annoying other campers well into the night.
Initial test was promising, whole wheat flapjacks cooked on bacon fat should be amazing.
While troubling, the article is not terribly clear on what the "bicycle fee" is for, how it will be collected or even enforced. Second, while its not PC to say so, some roadies are rude and inconsiderate. Making sweeping judgmental statements based on limited facts is the current direction of politics. Thanks Trump.
Since it is doubtful that anyone on this forum has direct knowledge of "this shit" I felt it would be more effective to simply ask the State Senator direct, he is up for primary election in June and should be eager to share insight to his views.
You can e-mail too chasvincent@hotmail.com
I would have preferred g-mail but I still use yahoo so who am I to judge?
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Having out of state cyclists pay for aquatic invasive species mitigation?
I'd like that as asshole to explain just how out-of-state cyclists have ANY skin in that game.
I'd like that as asshole to explain just how out-of-state cyclists have ANY skin in that game.
First they came for the road cyclists, and I didn't speak out -- because I don't wear spandexHaving out of state cyclists pay for aquatic invasive species mitigation?
I'd like that as asshole to explain just how out-of-state cyclists have ANY skin in that game.
From: John Peters
Date: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 7:22 PM
Subject: SB-363
To: winwithwhite@gmail.com, brownformontana@gmail.com, Rep.Theresa.Manzella@mt.gov, Rep.Kim.Abbott@mt.gov, Rep.Bob.Brown@mt.gov, vcourtforlegislature@yahoo.com, Rep.Willis.Curdy@mt.gov, Rep.Ross.Fitzgerald@mt.gov, JohnFlemingStIgnatius@gmail.com, Rep.Kelly.Flynn@mt.gov, wyliegaltformt@gmail.com, Rep.Steve.Gunderson@mt.gov, Rep.Dale.Mortensen@mt.gov, marknolandhd10@gmail.com
Good day:
I would like to recommend that you remove from SB-363 the provision taxing bicyclists from out-of-state to pay for invasive aquatic species removal.
I'm one of about twenty cyclists who have been planning to spend ten days in Montana, paying for food, lodging, and other services, at the end of August. I'm sure that there are many more out of state bicyclists with similar plans.
Speaking only for our group, I think we'd be quite happy to redirect to, say, Oregon, should the legislature of Montana continue on this ill-advised course.
Thank you,
John Peters
New Haven, VT
Date: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 7:22 PM
Subject: SB-363
To: winwithwhite@gmail.com, brownformontana@gmail.com, Rep.Theresa.Manzella@mt.gov, Rep.Kim.Abbott@mt.gov, Rep.Bob.Brown@mt.gov, vcourtforlegislature@yahoo.com, Rep.Willis.Curdy@mt.gov, Rep.Ross.Fitzgerald@mt.gov, JohnFlemingStIgnatius@gmail.com, Rep.Kelly.Flynn@mt.gov, wyliegaltformt@gmail.com, Rep.Steve.Gunderson@mt.gov, Rep.Dale.Mortensen@mt.gov, marknolandhd10@gmail.com
Good day:
I would like to recommend that you remove from SB-363 the provision taxing bicyclists from out-of-state to pay for invasive aquatic species removal.
I'm one of about twenty cyclists who have been planning to spend ten days in Montana, paying for food, lodging, and other services, at the end of August. I'm sure that there are many more out of state bicyclists with similar plans.
Speaking only for our group, I think we'd be quite happy to redirect to, say, Oregon, should the legislature of Montana continue on this ill-advised course.
Thank you,
John Peters
New Haven, VT