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Monkey
Feb 21, 2002
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ManASSas, VA
Wow and they said the US had other motivations....


Taken from an article...
..just in case you were interested in why these countries keep voting against war with Iraq._ The following pretty well sums it up. According to the CIA World Fact book:

FRANCE

[1] France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraq's imports.

[2] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, according to the United Nations.

[3] In 2001 France became Iraq's largest European trading partner. Roughly 60 French companies do an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad annually under the U.N. oil-for-food program.

[4]_ France's largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated a
deal to develop the Majnoon field in western Iraq. The Majnoon field purportedly contains up to 30 billion barrels of oil.

[5] Total Fina Elf also negotiated a deal for future oil exploration in
Iraq's Nahr Umar field. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country's reserves.

[6] France's Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraq's telephone system.

[7] From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraq's arms imports.


GERMANY

[8] Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.

[9] It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germany's "firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq." It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.

[10] During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.

[11] In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.

[12] German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Hussein's Al Fao Supercannon project.


RUSSIA

[13] According to the CIA World Fact book, Russia controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq's annual imports.

[14] Under the U.N. oil-for-food program, Russia's total trade with Iraq was somewhere between $530 million and $1 billion for the six months ending in December of 2001.

[15]_ According to the Russian Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, new contracts worth another $200 million under the U.N. oil-for-food program are to be signed over the next three months. Soviet-era debt of $7 billion through $8 billion was generated by arms sales to Iraq during the 1980-1988
Iran-Iraq war.

[16] Russia's LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq._ Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N. sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.

[17] In October 2001, Salvneft, a Russian-Belarus company, negotiated a $52 million service contract to drill at the Tuba field in Southern Iraq

[18]_ In April 2001, Russia's Zaruezhneft company received a service contract to drill in the Saddam, Kirkuk, and Bai Hassan fields to rehabilitate the fields and reduce water incursion. A future $40 billion Iraqi-Russian economic agreement, reportedly signed in 2002, would allow for extensive oil exploration opportunities throughout western Iraq.

[19] The proposal calls for 67 new projects, over a 10-year time frame, to explore and further develop fields in southern Iraq and the Western Desert, including the Suba, Luhais, West Qurna, and Rumaila projects. Additional projects added to the deal include second-phase construction of a pipeline running from southern to northern Iraq, and extensive drilling and gas projects. Work on these projects would commence upon cancellation of
sanctions.

[20] Russia's Gazprom company over the past few years has signed contracts worth $18 million to repair gas stations in Iraq.

[21] The former Soviet Union was the premier supplier of Iraqi arms. From 1981 to 2001, Russia supplied Iraq with 50 percent of its arms.


CHINA

[22] According to the CIA World Fact book, China controls roughly 5.8
percent of Iraq's annual imports.

[24] China National Oil Company, partnered with China North Industries
Corp., negotiated a 22-year-long deal for future oil exploration in the
Al
Ahdab field in southern Iraq.

[24] In recent years, the Chinese Aero-Technology Import-Export company
(CATIC) has been contracted to sell "meteorological satellite" and
"surface
observation" equipment to Iraq. This contract was approved by the U.N.
oil-for-food program.

[25] CATIC also won approval from the U.N. in July 2000 to sell $2
million
worth of fiber optic cables. This and similar contracts approved were
disguised as telecommunications gear. These cables can be used for
secure
data and communications links between national command and control
centers
and long-range search radar, targeting radar, and missile-launch units,
according to U.S. officials. In addition, China National Electric Wire
&
Cable and China National Technical Import Telecommunications Equipment
Company are believed to have sold Iraq $6 million and $15.5 million
worth
of
communications equipment and other unspecified supplies, respectively.

[26] According to a report from SIPRI, from 1981 to 2001, China was the
second largest supplier of weapons and arms to Iraq, supplying over 18
percent of Iraq's weapons imports.

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>> > [1]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Fact book 2002, at
>> > <http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook.>
>> >
>> > [2]Jon Talton, "French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle", The
>> > Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003.
>> >
>> > [3]Jon Talton, "French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle," The
>> > Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003.
>> >
>> > [4]Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International
>>Sanctions,
>> > and Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002.
>> >
>> > [5]Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International
>>Sanctions,
>> > and
>> > Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002.
>> >
>> > [6]Evelyn Iritani, "Hussein's Government Signs Lucrative Contracts,
>> > Especially with Nations that Oppose the U.S. Led Effort to Oust the
>> > Regime,"
>> > The Los Angeles Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, November 11, 2002.
>> >
>> > [7]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
>> > (SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001," at
>> > <Projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf.>
>> >
>> > [8]David R. Sands, "France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties," The Washington
>> > Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, February 20, 2003.
>> >
>> > [9]David R. Sands, "France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties," The Washington
>> > Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, February 20, 2003.
>> >
>> > [10]"Africa Analysis-Trade Points Way to Peace", The Financial
>> > Verdana,Arial,Helvetica: Asia Africa Intelligence Wire, November 19,
>>2002.
>> >
>> > [11]Faye Bowers, "Driving Forces in War-Wary Nations: The Stances of
>> > France,
>> > Germany, Russia and China Are Colored by Economic and National
>>Interests,"
>> > Christian Science Monitor, February 25, 2003.
>> >
>> > [12]"Helping Saddam Rearm," The Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2002.
>> >
>> > [13]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Fact book 2002, at
>> > <http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook.>
>> >
>> > [14]Testimony provided by Ariel Cohen to the House International
>>Relations
>> > Committee, "Russia and the Axis of Evil: Money, Ambition and U.S.
>> > Interests," February 26, 2003.
>> >
>> > [15]Nelli Sharushkina, "Russia Plays the Field in Iraq-Mixed Signals
>>Worry
>> > Baghdad," Energy Intelligence Briefing, February 5, 2003.
>> >
>> > [16]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, "In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key
>> > Issue," The Washington Post, September 15, 2002.
>> >
>> > [17]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, "In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key
>> > Issue," The Washington Post, September 15, 2002.
>> >
>> > [18]Scott Peterson, "Russia's Newest Tie to Iraq: Moscow Is Set to Sign
>>a
>> > $40 billion Economic Pact with Baghdad Next Month," Christian Science
>> > Monitor, August 20, 2002.
>> >
>> > [19]"Mideast Tensions to Delay Iraq Iraqi-Russian Signing," Energy
>>Compass,
>> > April 19, 2002.
>> >
>> > [20]Dmitry Zhdannikov, "Russian's Grim About Working Under Saddam," The
>> > Houston Chronicle, April 14, 2002.
>> >
>> > [21]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
>> > (SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001," at
>> > ><http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf.>
>> >
>> > [22]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Fact book 2002, at
>> > <http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook>.
>> >
>> > [23]Trish Saywell, "Oil: The Danger of Deals with Iraq," Far Eastern
>> > Economic Review, March 6, 2003.
>> >
>> > [24]Kenneth R. Timmerman, "Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam," Insight on
>>the
>> > News, March 4, 2003.
>> >
>> > [25]Kenneth R. Timmerman, "Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam," Insight on
>>the
>> > News, March 4, 2003.
>> >
>> > [26]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research
>> > Institute(SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001," at
>> > <http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf.>
>> >
 

Spud

Monkey
Aug 9, 2001
550
0
Idaho (no really!)
Where did that original article come from? Just curious to get the rest of the story.

For what it is worth a quick browse of the CIA world fact book also shows:

The United States of America being Iraq’s largest exporting market at 46% (US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)) What commodity would Iraq possibly have that the U.S. may want? :think:

The numbers the CIA reports for Iraq’s imports are: France 22.5%, Australia 22%, China 5.8%, Russia 5.8% (2000)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html#Econ for those interested.
 

Stellite

Monkey
Feb 21, 2002
124
0
ManASSas, VA
Originally posted by Spud
Where did that original article come from? Just curious to get the rest of the story.

For what it is worth a quick browse of the CIA world fact book also shows:

The United States of America being Iraq’s largest exporting market at 46% (US 46.2%, Italy 12.2%, France 9.6%, Spain 8.6% (2000)) What commodity would Iraq possibly have that the U.S. may want? :think:

The numbers the CIA reports for Iraq’s imports are: France 22.5%, Australia 22%, China 5.8%, Russia 5.8% (2000)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html#Econ for those interested.
So in fact, what you are stating is that it's ok for all the other nations to profit but not the US. The US gives out more money than any other nation in aid to the worlds poor economies. The French, Germans, Russians, Chinese and most of Europe help themselves.

Yes, it is only fair that the US attempt to recoup some money. What are these other countries trying to recoup. Already france and Germany want to be involved in the reconstruction so that they can swing little side deals without ever having lifted a finger. Typical sleazy move. Expected though.

Your right though greedy US:

"Lend-Lease was the most visible sign of wartime cooperation between the United States and the Soviet Union. About $11 billion in war material was sent to the Soviet Union under that program. Additional assistance came from U.S. Russian War Relief (a private, nonprofit organization) and the Red Cross. About seventy percent of the aid reached the Soviet Union via the Persian Gulf through Iran; the remainder went across the Pacific to Vladivostok and across the North Atlantic to Murmansk. Lend- Lease to the Soviet Union officially ended in September 1945. Joseph Stalin never revealed to his own people the full contributions of Lend-Lease to their country's survival, but he referred to the program at the 1945 Yalta Conference"


"78 DEs Were Built For The UK for WW II Service to britain as part of LEnd Lease."



"The United States has historically never been stingy toward the United Nations. A look at the statistics proves America’s overwhelming generosity to the world body. The United Nations itself has admitted as much, as 1995 statistics list the United States as the largest contributor to the world body, giving more than $1.8 billion that year alone. That’s $400 million more than that of second-place contributor, Japan."

"Between 1946 and 1996, the United States contributed in excess of $32 billion to the United Nations.7 And, as Rep. Christopher Smith (R-New Jersey) notes, "We have also paid at least $22 billion since 1992 in additional costs in support of U.N.-authorized peacekeeping."


"The United States has already moved to erase the money owed it by 32 heavily indebted poor countries identified by IMF. IMF and the World Bank have forgiven some, but not all, of their expected money and remain the world's largest creditors. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has been pushing governments, private corporations and philanthropies to contribute to a $7 billion to $10 billion international fund aimed at addressing the devastating AIDS epidemic in Africa and other poor areas. President Bush gave the effort a nudge last week by announcing that the US government would contribute $200 million in seed money to help get the fund started. "
 

Spud

Monkey
Aug 9, 2001
550
0
Idaho (no really!)
:rolleyes:
You posted a long list of items highlighting other country’s financial dealings with Iraq. One critical piece of data you omitted was the United State’s financial interests. I simply posted the unedited data directly from the CIA website. Can’t argue with the data so start putting words in my mouth? Sheesh, if I didn’t have such thick skin :D

Draw your own conclusions from the data. I am still waiting for you to post the link to your entire article.

edit:

By the way, you are throwing around a lot of quotation marks up there. Care to reference where they came from?

An article? From where.....
 

Stellite

Monkey
Feb 21, 2002
124
0
ManASSas, VA
Originally posted by Spud
:rolleyes:
You posted a long list of items highlighting other country’s financial dealings with Iraq. One critical piece of data you omitted was the United State’s financial interests. I simply posted the unedited data directly from the CIA website. Can’t argue with the data so start putting words in my mouth? Sheesh, if I didn’t have such thick skin :D

Draw your own conclusions from the data. I am still waiting for you to post the link to your entire article.

edit:

By the way, you are throwing around a lot of quotation marks up there. Care to reference where they came from?

An article? From where.....
you gotta have thick skin around here. To find the article, just type in one of the main items in google and you'll come up with it.