[Gary]

Ha ha...

Gotta love Porter and his extremely narrow minded views.
Yet again completely missing the point.
Bikes should also be fun to ride Chris. And what makes a bike fun to ride comes down to personal preference.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-interview-chris-porter-2017.html


"Then with really short chainstays, lean back and there's a limit to how far you can go back before the thing loops out. You've got a very small window. A very small envelope within which to move backwards and forwards, and that's simply because the wheels are close together."

For me... that small window is pretty much why I ride all the bikes I do. Yes it takes more skill and concentration... that's half the fun.
If Chris had ridden BMX instead of motorcycles I think he might actually "get" this.

SRSLY Kidz. Could you really trust the words of a man who sets his saddle at this angle?

 

[slimshady]

I'm with you on this one. I will always like short chainstays. Might I point the obvious and say short chainstays don't come into play when talking about looping back a modern, long reach bike? Most of the modern bikes are as hard as fuck to manual, since the weight bias towards the front takes a lot of effort to lift the god damn thing from the ground.

In fact the very review PB posted yesterday of the Pole Evo Link stated this, and was posted by one of the main defenders of Porter's line of thought in the press, Paul Aston. He precisely stated manualling the Pole was a hard task because of the front weight bias. Plus he also rides retarded saddle positions .

 

[Gary]

don't come into play when talking about looping back a modern, long reach bike? to ANY rider who can hold a fucking manual

I'm not a fan of modern looong reach bikes specifcally coz of...

Most of the modern bikes are as hard as fuck to manual, since the weight bias towards the front takes a lot of effort to lift the god damn thing from the ground.

 

[slimshady]

The best way to debunk Porter's claims: give RC a Nicolai, wait for the shit storm. He will end up criticizing everything, from disc diameter to bolt anodizing color.

 

['size]

Ha ha...

SRSLY Kidz. Could you really trust the words of a man who sets his saddle at this angle?

maybe if his saddle wasn't forcing all his weight forward he wouldn't need such a long reach.

 

[gemini2k]

Most of the modern bikes are as hard as fuck to manual, since the weight bias towards the front takes a lot of effort to lift the god damn thing from the ground.

Usually i'm blasting huge mot-style jumps, hucking off of cliffs, or pinning it down vertical rock chutes on my DH bike, typically not manual-ing around the parking lot like a fairy. So...

 

[slimshady]

Usually i'm blasting huge mot-style jumps, hucking off of cliffs, or pinning it down vertical rock chutes on my DH bike, typically not manual-ing around the parking lot like a fairy. So...

Valid point. However, Porter's point was the DH geometry should be exported to shorter travel bikes. How long of a wheelbase do your Megatrail and your DH bikes have?

 

[jonKranked]

Valid point. However, Porter's point was the DH geometry should be exported to shorter travel bikes. How long of a wheelbase do your Megatrail and your DH bikes have?

fwiw my '15 spitfire has the same wheelbase (roughly) as my 2010 xprezo furax.

 

[kidwoo]

Usually i'm blasting huge mot-style jumps, hucking off of cliffs, or pinning it down vertical rock chutes on my DH bike, typically not manual-ing around the parking lot like a fairy. So...

And only someone who doesn't actually move their bike around thinks 'manualing' only applies to sustained slow speed manuals in a parking lot.

Go watch gee atherton's run from pmb 3 years ago (I think it was 3). He was the only person to squash one of those mach stupid table tops in a row, not at mach stupid.......but at mach retarded. Guess which high speed not in a parking lot technique he used.....*jeopardy music*

 

[jonKranked]

Ha ha...

Gotta love Porter and his extremely narrow minded views.
Yet again completely missing the point.
Bikes should also be fun to ride Chris. And what makes a bike fun to ride comes down to personal preference.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-interview-chris-porter-2017.html


"Then with really short chainstays, lean back and there's a limit to how far you can go back before the thing loops out. You've got a very small window. A very small envelope within which to move backwards and forwards, and that's simply because the wheels are close together."

For me... that small window is pretty much why I ride the all bikes I do. Yes it takes more skill and concentration... that's half the fun.
If Chris had ridden BMX instead of motorcycles I think he might actually "get" this.

SRSLY Kidz. Could you really trust the words of a man who sets his saddle at this angle?

all i'm really getting from this article is that the dude repeats himself a lot. did he have a few too many pints before the interview?

 

[gemini2k]

And only someone who doesn't actually move their bike around thinks 'manualing' only applies to sustained slow speed manuals in a parking lot.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, my massive size and strength makes manualling even the longest, heaviest bikest an effortless joy.

Valid point. However, Porter's point was the DH geometry should be exported to shorter travel bikes. How long of a wheelbase do your Megatrail and your DH bikes have?

I think they are around 52-53"? Can't remember off the top of my head. Reach on the MT is 20.5", reach on the new GGDH is gonna be 19.5"

 

[ZHendo]

Ha ha...

It's what I've been saying for years - mountain bikes with the wheelbase of a recumbent are faster. Sure, not easy to manual in a parking lot, but a more stable base to move around between the wheels. Like Porter says, even if you have a seizure on the bike, that nice big window between the wheels keep you rolling

 

[Jm_]

Which is good, because we never have to turn to avoid cliffs.

 

[jonKranked]

Which is good, because we never have to turn to avoid cliffs.

those 29'er wheels should roll right over 'em

 

[Westy]

I like to ride a bike like a good white protestant woman has sex: motionless and emotionless

 

[trib]

literally the first question in the interview

"The first big question: why should people listen to you?

They shouldn't necessarily, should they? That's their own decision, isn't it? "

 

[slimshady]

literally the first question in the interview

"The first big question: why should people listen to you?

They shouldn't necessarily, should they? That's their own decision, isn't it? "

That's the chicken line . You could simply bail out there, or choose the old, battered, endless rockgarden each opinion piece has become there at PB

 

[FlipFantasia]

one of the more condescending and arrogant interviews they've ever posted on PB...Wragg couldn't help but try and belittle non-euro trails too

 

[allsk8sno]

Yeah that was a good read as to why avoid any thing he touched/touches.

 

[4130biker]

I'd love to see him get a proper tour on some of our "easiest" trails with that shit mobile of his.

 

[Inclag]

I take it he's not a fan of Wheelie Wednesdays





Also....we need to talk about this guys body shape.....


.....is it me or does anyone else see some sort of bizarre man boob/upper gut area smiley face shape thing going on underneath that jersey in the photo? I'm strangely fascinated by this....

 

[4130biker]

Probably wearing the new enduro corset/ fanny pack

 

['size]

just noticed the way forward roll on his bars as well.
saddle pushing all his weight forward, long reach, shorty stem, bars rolled past the stem neutral point. profit...

 

[kidwoo]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, my massive size and strength makes manualling even the longest, heaviest bikest an effortless joy.

You still have one of those adhesive mohawks on your helmet don't you?

 

[gemini2k]

You still have one of those adhesive mohawks on your helmet don't you?

No. It's sitting in a bin in my garage. I need to put it on my new helmet.

 

[xy9ine]

totally want to try a geometron. seems we've been timidly inching towards this geometry for years; perhaps it's the logical conclusion? or not. curious regardless. i actually like this guy. he's got conviction, and has some compelling ideas.

 

[Udi]

I don't know what everyone is complaining about, I looked at the pictures in this review and give it a solid 4/10.

 

[4130biker]

@Udi I may adopt your technique so I don't have to read stupid shit like this:
"They don't have that sort of interesting and illegal trail network that we've got."

 

[jackalope]

Finally, a bike with a proper reach measurement

 

[Adventurous]

I take it he's not a fan of Wheelie Wednesdays





Also....we need to talk about this guys body shape.....


.....is it me or does anyone else see some sort of bizarre man boob/upper gut area smiley face shape thing going on underneath that jersey in the photo? I'm strangely fascinated by this....

So that's where Kuato went!

 

[SylentK]

Not sure what to think about all this. I guess I'm glad someone is thinking about progressing and testing things.

But you know, I have 2 bikes from 2 different geomebro generations. Old school and new school. And you know what? I enjoy them both immensely. It's like having two kids (or dogs. They are different, but you love them both equally....usually

 

[jonKranked]

i'll at least give him credit for trying to change things other than wheel size and hub spacing.

 

[Dogboy]

i'll at least give him credit for trying to change things other than wheel size and hub spacing.

I think what he's doing is easily as bad if not worse. No credit from me.

 

[jonKranked]

I think what he's doing is easily as bad if not worse. No credit from me.

32" plus tires on mecca boost hubs for you!

 

[Westy]

32" plus tires on mecca boost hubs for you!

Super wide pedal spacing for lower center of gravity and Stabbylity™

Don't worry about lean angle, someone will be by shortly to berm all yo turns. #allwaysnormal

 

[4130biker]

I think what he's doing is easily as bad if not worse. No credit from me.

 

[trib]

I don't get this forum.

New standards? Booooo, burn the heretical new standards

Old bikes? Better come up with 50 different ways to make my fork/wheels/brakes better by cobbling together different parts, a dreamer and some zip ties

New bikes (which actively try not to include new standards)? boooooo, why change what isn't broken (even though every other post is about broken parts and how to get better performance)

The interview being discussed has Chris Porter against 29" wheels, against pointless new standards, against fancy carbon parts for the sake of it... but people still think he's the devil because he wants longer bikes. A bike which he essentially designed for himself - and now has a following.

 

[Jim Mac]

I don't get this forum.

Quick answer - we are all basically:

 

[ianjenn]

The only problem I see is them sending out bikes to guys that are under 6' tall to review and they are basically for people that over 6' 4". At least get them in the ballpark. I inquired about one a little while back I am 6' 1" with shoes on so 6' even and they suggested the second from largest. No way I am riding that I think the middle sized one would fit the best....and I still plan on getting one down the road. the 29' version BTW.

 

[Sandwich]

the rux is the winningest fork of this WC downhill season. Just let that sink in.