[OGRipper]

I feel for sram. I really do. They did come up with something special with the chain retaining rings, get copied and really did lose some revenue.

How many SRAM shares are you holding?

I give SRAM a lot of credit too. XX-1 was revolutionary IMO. But they had to know it's not a particularly protectable concept. And as for lost revenue, let's not forget how much a lot of us paid for XX-1 cassettes before any alternatives were available, at which point SRAM suddenly figured out a way to somehow make it more affordable. They squeezed (and continue to squeeze) a huge amount out of it, particularly when you consider market share, OE spec, etc.

 

[slimshady]

And before anyone gets more wistful about the old Onza, here's a picture that should send chills down the back of anyone who tried them:

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Holy crap you made me remember my only serious ride with those pedals! I got them second hand from a friend to replace a set of VP 103s, went for a ride at about 0 Celsius with the hardest elastomers and felt how my shoes got soldered to the pedals! Luckily I hit a rock and that piece of crap got turned into little pieces. Crash disengagement® FTW!

 

[kidwoo]

How many SRAM shares are you holding?

I give SRAM a lot of credit too. XX-1 was revolutionary IMO. But they had to know it's not a particularly protectable concept. And as for lost revenue, let's not forget how much a lot of us paid for XX-1 cassettes before any alternatives were available, at which point SRAM suddenly figured out a way to somehow make it more affordable. They squeezed (and continue to squeeze) a huge amount out of it, particularly when you consider market share, OE spec, etc.

Yeah I get they're protecting a 'system' but throwing a hissy over the simplest part of it is kind of funny. The derailleurs are kind of unique.....but not inimitable.

Those machined cassettes though......those are badass enough that they really can sit back and go 'yeah go for it fuckers. Good luck with that'

 

[4130biker]

I don't feel bad for Scram for a second; it's not like they invented narrow-wide:

Gehl, a Wisconsin-based manufacturer of heavy machinery for construction construction and agriculture, filed a patent for alternating width sprockets in 1978. Patent 4174642 for a “Chain Drive Including Sprocket Having Alternate Wide And Narrow Teeth” has since expired. Click here to read the text of the original patent.

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/article/sram-to-license-narrow-wide-chainring-design-39491/

 

[Nick]

Those machined cassettes though......

Seriously. Those are works of EDM art.

 

[jackalope]

Not to say we’re unhappy Aaron chose some of our products but in all reality we’re weary that our public perception is in the hands of knock-off products being tested at World Cups. To confirm, SRAM does not sponsor Aaron Gwin.

Sweet, a double negative and an indication they're apparently, umm, tired(?) about public perception. Bravo!

 

[maxyedor]

Sorry for the thread derail, but when did Kyle Strait sign with Commencal? Thought he was on GT?

Okay, back to tales of shit pedals and dragons...

 

[trib]

Sorry for the thread derail, but when did Kyle Strait sign with Commencal? Thought he was on GT?

Okay, back to tales of shit pedals and dragons...

Been at least a full season, strictly speaking he's on the Commencal USA team I do believe.

 

[dump]

And before anyone gets more wistful about the old Onza, here's a picture that should send chills down the back of anyone who tried them:

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Never went down that route... stayed standard spd

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Sorry for the thread derail, but when did Kyle Strait sign with Commencal? Thought he was on GT?

Okay, back to tales of shit pedals and dragons...

He is even back on 661. And will ride for ONE industries.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Dumb question, but would the E13 cassette even work with a Shimano derailleur?

 

[Muddy]

Dumb question, but would the E13 cassette even work with a Shimano derailleur?

Why would it not?

 

[Dogboy]

Dumb question, but would the E13 cassette even work with a Shimano derailleur?

If the e13 cassette Gwin is using is compatible with the 7-speed X01 DH derailleur it would work with XT and XTR 11-speed derailleurs, but not Saint (10-speed).

 

[slimshady]

If the e13 cassette Gwin is using is compatible with the 7-speed X01 DH derailleur it would work with XT and XTR 11-speed derailleurs, but not Saint (10-speed).

E13 proto cassette? AS far as I've read, he's using prototype wheels, chainguide and cranks:

http://www.sicklines.com/2016/02/08/ethirteen-prototype-and-production-parts-for-aaron-gwin-onbard-yt-mob/

 

[Mo(n)arch]

7 speed with wider hub body?

 

[aaronjb]

And before anyone gets more wistful about the old Onza, here's a picture that should send chills down the back of anyone who tried them:

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Oh yeah! My first set of clipless. Tossed the hardest elastomers in there, went for a ride, literally couldn't unclip.

Rode 'em for a season. They'd get smashed up in no time and either the elastomers or retainers would fail catastrophically.

 

[OGRipper]

Never went down that route... stayed standard spd

They were a lot lighter than spd's at the time and hey, if elastomers were "good" for suspension springs, why not pedal springs?

I was in the Northeast at the time and had the same experience as others with temperature changes and inconsistent release. Pretty terrifying.

 

[CBJ]

E13 proto cassette? AS far as I've read, he's using prototype wheels, chainguide and cranks:

http://www.sicklines.com/2016/02/08/ethirteen-prototype-and-production-parts-for-aaron-gwin-onbard-yt-mob/

I think you are reading too much into the prototype most of that stuff looks stock. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[Dogboy]

E13 proto cassette? AS far as I've read, he's using prototype wheels, chainguide and cranks:

http://www.sicklines.com/2016/02/08/ethirteen-prototype-and-production-parts-for-aaron-gwin-onbard-yt-mob/

I was just guessing that it's an E13 cassette since they are making XD driver compatible cassettes and it appears to be a 7-speed setup like the X01 DH. Speculation though, maybe it's just the SRAM cassette.

 

[slimshady]

I was just guessing that it's an E13 cassette since they are making XD driver compatible cassettes and it appears to be a 7-speed setup like the X01 DH. Speculation though.

Well, looking at the pictures is doesn't look like a regular SRAM 7-speed DH cassette. It lacks the aluminium spacer.

 

[6thElement]

I wonder how the CRC and Wiggle merger will impact the CRC DH team.

 

[dump]

They were a lot lighter than spd's at the time and hey, if elastomers were "good" for suspension springs, why not pedal springs?

I was in the Northeast at the time and had the same experience as others with temperature changes and inconsistent release. Pretty terrifying.

Yeah, 737s weighed a ton and were rather bulbous looking. I went the ritchey route... I still have those pedals and they're still rocking to this day! I remember trying onza from a buddy of mine before going ritchey... they felt really vague. Had another friend with Speedplay frogs! Those things were like iceskates at first, but they had a certain appeal ... pretty light if you counted just the pedals and not the cleat bed.

 

[wood booger]

Seriously. Those are works of EDM art.

Nein EDM. Forging, stamping and many hours in zee CNC's!

 

[jackalope]

Trying to get this thread back on track now that its wandered into talk of fancy CNC'd cassettes and elastomer sprung clip pedals

 

[Sandwich]

man, elastomers were such a fucking great idea. Somebody should use them as fork internals, maybe on like a high end dh fork.

 

[jonKranked]

I think you are reading too much into the prototype most of that stuff looks stock. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

e13 derailleur/shifter

 

[Bikael Molton]

Commencal sells (non-closeout) bikes in the USA?

 

[sethimus]

Onza is a Swiss company that just happens to contract CST to manufacture their tires. So why all this CST talk?

because reasoning and facts are destroying this masterpiece of a rm thread.

 

[toodles]

I wonder if Gwin gets a percentage of the sales increase for TRP brakes and Onza tyres. If thats the angle he went for this deal could be worth a pile of cash, especially if they take his feedback to make some top level product.

 

[schwaaa31]

Commencal sells (non-closeout) bikes in the USA?

Yes. Smoking deals too, IMO.
http://www.commencalusa.com

 

[tabletop84]

Actually Onza were the first ones to introduce a decent mid-weight dh-casing back in 2010. Was ok for me as an average weight rider.

 

[SylentK]

Onza. Jeebus. What's next, Kooka cranks?

 

[1soulrider]

If the e13 cassette Gwin is using is compatible with the 7-speed X01 DH derailleur it would work with XT and XTR 11-speed derailleurs, but not Saint (10-speed).

The Saint (and Zee) 10 spd derailleurs work as direct replacements for the XO1 DH derailleurs if needed. With X01 DH 7spd shifters/cassettes/chains.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/News/17/49/67/20160211_UCIGravityTeamRanking_Neutral.pdf

Sam Hill not listed on the CRC/Paypal team
In fact he is not listed at all.

 

[saruti]

12 SPECIALIZED RACING
BROSNAN Troy AUS
GRAVES Jared AUS

so Graves is going to race DH too this year?

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Just saw that Steve Peat is also not listed on the Syndicate. Wyn Masters also not listed as 3rd member of the GT team. Dafuq? Has this something to do with points?

 

[Dogboy]

Just saw that Steve Peat is also not listed on the Syndicate. Wyn Masters also not listed as 3rd member of the GT team. Dafuq? Has this something to do with points?

"The UCI gravity team ranking as of February 12th, 2016 is calculated by adding the points of the 2 best placed men and the best placed
woman of each UCI MTB team in the UCI DHI individual ranking as of December 31st, 2015"

 

[Gary]

so Graves is going to race DH too this year?

No doubt he'll just #Ednuro the fuck out of a few select Downhill events to second places as usual.

Racing just wouldn't be true to the spirit'

 

[SuboptimusPrime]

But that says the two best placed, not the two best ranked. I read this to be whoever finishes best in a given week. Still weird not to list Peat, Sam, etc.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

But that says the two best placed, not the two best ranked. I read this to be whoever finishes best in a given week. Still weird not to list Peat, Sam, etc.

This. Just list all riders of a certain team.