Noble or yellah?

Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by MMike, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. MMike

    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    Standing up for what he thinks is right, or sissy girlie-man poopy-pants?

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003044627_nogo7m.html

     
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  2. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    I think he is doing what he feels is right. He is an officer and is expected to lead. How can you lead troops if you don't agree with the cause?

    I think he'll be hanged for it, but I support his decision.
     
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  3. N8 v2.0

    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    No problem, simply reimburse the governement for his training and call it a day.
     
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  4. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    If he is required to serve until Dec. '06 and opts out, he is billed for it. That how it works, or at least that's my understanding. Same as if you go through ROTC and the military pays for your school. You have to fulfill your contract, or your billed for it.
     
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  5. Changleen

    Changleen Paranoid Member

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    Sounds fair enough.
     
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  6. MudGrrl

    MudGrrl AAAAH! Monkeys stole my math!

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    "I think they will do their best to make an example of me," Watada said.



    nah, really????
    more of an example than the dog handler that got *gasp* hard labor?

    This guy will probably get nailed, while others who 'followed' orders get off fairly easy, respectively.
     
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  7. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Coward.
    His wife probably slept around while he was out training, and instead of blaming her, is blasting the system. Women just do these kinds of things buddy. Get used to it. Especially officers' wives.
    He'll probably take her back too. :nonono:
     
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  8. fluff

    fluff Monkey Turbo

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    You want to be a woman don't you? It all makes sense now.
     
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  9. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Yeah right. Getting a job as a used car salesman is much easier than a sex change, and Id accomplish the same thing.
     
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  10. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    Well they denied his defenses.

    Lt. Watada missed movement because he believed the order to be unlawful and the judge has denied the defense motion to introduce evidence as to why this order is unlawful.

    So regardless of the fact that he was led to enlist through fraudulent means, and regardless of the fact that a soldier is required to obey only lawful orders, in this case his only choice was to follow orders and the lawfulness of said order may not be considered.

    Did anyone expect a military judge to rule otherwise?

    Read it and weep.

    http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=watada17m&date=20070117&query=watada

    The PDFs are pretty interesting too. They show the reasoning behind the judge's decisions.

    It is interesting that the documents show that while Congress cannot pass a law abridging the right of free speech, but the courts can decide otherwise. But for some reason the court is not entitled to consider the legality of the Iraq war. If I understand this correctly, they can decide when it is OK to infringe on the rights of the people, but they cannot even consider that another branch of of government may be infringing upon the rights of another sovereign nation.
     
  11. JohnE

    JohnE filthy rascist

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    EVERYONE will have a field day on this one. The insurgents, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Monkeys...
     
  12. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    I think not. My guess is the Mainstream Media ignores it completely.
     
  13. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Now if he made some Iraqi dance funny or wear a stupid hat, they'd be all over it.
     
  14. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    watada's an idiot.
    he's supposed to defend democracy & freedom, not enjoy it.
     
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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    almost forgot:



    friggin' hippie
     
  16. Silver

    Silver find me a tampon

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    If you haven't figured out that by signing up in the US military the chances of you being cynically used by civilian leadership for political gain are pretty high, you didn't pay very much attention in school.

    That, or you bought into the army's bs tv spots. I love the one running about the reserves right now (They train me here, until they need me! What a deal!)
     
  17. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    If he could prove that this admin lied, then he should be honorably discharged or whatever he wants.
     
  18. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    but if he cannot introduce that evidence...
     
  19. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    If he had any real evidence, then he could present it to the media and have a flawless victory. If it was convincing, well, he'd be killed long before that.
     
  20. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    You believe the media is impartial and not beholden to government interests?

    Come on now...

    They won't even run the story of them court-martialing this "coward."
     
  21. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    you mean they way they suck up with this:
    talk about your non-sequiturs; might as well report on the country's cold-snap in terms of a "chill wind blowing from this administration"

    i especially like how the Times writes: "Watada's guilt or innocence will be determined by a panel of at least five Army officers."

    innocence is never determined
     
  22. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    I agree innocence is never determined. And it certainly won't be in this case with five officers making the determination.

    :poster_oops:

    Did he miss movement? Yes.
    Did he say things publicly that were critical of the administration? Yes.

    Guilty as charged.
     
  23. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    RR,

    The point I was making was, if he had no FACTS, then STFU and do your job.

    Did Iraq have WMDs at the time of invasion? Doubtful, doesn't change anything tho.