[fourgivn1]

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=1309807

Somehow I don't think implementing a world tax is going to do all that much to relieve the poverty of third world countries and the like.

 

[Damn True]

Oh fabulous.

Globalized govt. is sooooo scary. You think you are heavilly taxed now? Imagine your tax dollars supporting every backwater non-producing country on the planet. Not to mention those same countries having a say in how our economy operates.

Wheeeee! Global Welfare. Great idea!

 

[TickTock]

Imagine those non -producing countries paying taxes to clean up all the friggin industrial waste and pollution that we pump out? Its a wash.

Some happy farmer in india shouldnt have to pay taxes on some richbitch guy pumping crap into the air so he can make posh designer cars.

 

[Will_Jekyll]

Of course it comes from the French, they ruined their own economy with their brand of socialism now they want to ruin everyone else's.

 

[Tenaciousle0]

The best thing for some of these backwater countries might be to let the Europeans re-colonize them. They had more prosperity then than they will for the forseeable futue.

 

[SVEN]

Originally posted by Damn True
Oh fabulous.

Globalized govt. is sooooo scary. You think you are heavilly taxed now? Imagine your tax dollars supporting every backwater non-producing country on the planet. Not to mention those same countries having a say in how our economy operates.

Wheeeee! Global Welfare. Great idea!

You think its scary? Really? I say bring it on! Bring out the world govt! Bring out the Mark! Bring out a unifying world leader! Just be sure you beam me up first!

 

[mikec918]

While there are poor countries in other parts of the world besides Africa. The fact remains the majority of the poor countries in the world are in Africa. Now I know the Europe and the West have long exploted the people of Africa. But hell it wasn't all the hard with all the help they've gottn from the people living there. Maybe just maybe if some of the countries in sub sahara africa had unifed governments instead of a bunch of tribes fighting over everything they would be able to become more productive.
Why do you think slavery was and is such a profitable business. Because one group is always willing to sell the members of another group or tribe.

 

[fourgivn1]

Originally posted by SVEN



You think its scary? Really? I say bring it on! Bring out the world govt! Bring out the Mark! Bring out a unifying world leader! Just be sure you beam me up first!

I think somehow if you're Christian, God'll have that part covered for ya.

 

[Tenaciousle0]

Originally posted by fourgivn1


I think somehow if you're Christian, God'll have that part covered for ya.

Ahhh its the rapture....Ahhh the rapture

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by Damn True
Imagine your tax dollars supporting every backwater non-producing country on the planet. Not to mention those same countries having a say in how our economy operates.

WWDTS (What Will Damn True Say?)

It's not gonna happen so you can just forget about it, praise the lord and pass the ammunition. You don't really think that about the 3rd world do you? Not very sporting if you do and a damn bit narrow minded and intolerant as well. Awesome job!

 

[Damn True]

Originally posted by Serial Midget


WWDTS (What Will Damn True Say?)

It's not gonna happen so you can just forget about it, praise the lord and pass the ammunition. You don't really think that about the 3rd world do you? Not very sporting if you do and a damn bit narrow minded and intolerant as well. Awesome job!

It has nothing to do with the people whom I am in favor of and routinely help through missions support. My gripe is with my $$ going to prop up some corrupt backwater govt only to have them casting an equal vote when they aren't an equal contributor to the "collective". The ideas supporting this very thing have been in existance for years and there are legions of people, some who even live in the US who would like nothing better than to see our way of life destroyed, our wealth redistributed. The concept is akin to global socialism. Neato, worked great for the soviets. But even worse than that there would be an equal vote in an uber-UN style council by all nations. Yikes.

If it happens you can kiss your life, as you know it, goodbye.

 

[SVEN]

Originally posted by fourgivn1


I think somehow if you're Christian, God'll have that part covered for ya.

My point exactly. I was just thinking, what if i was smoking pot when the rapture occurs, boy will I feel stupid!

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by SVEN



My point exactly. I was just thinking, what if i was smoking pot when the rapture occurs, boy will I feel stupid!

Technicolor Rapture. It would be one hell of a show!

 

[fourgivn1]

Originally posted by SVEN


My point exactly. I was just thinking, what if i was smoking pot when the rapture occurs, boy will I feel stupid!

*ROTFLOL* I dunno, but that might say something about His opinion of it. *L* I wouldn't want to be smoking a doobie either when I get raptured.

 

[fluff]

This is probably the most sickening thread I have seen on this site. God forbid that we should have fair distribution of wealth. God forbid that we should help the poor and the starving at our expense.

 

[mikec918]

Originally posted by fluff
This is probably the most sickening thread I have seen on this site. God forbid that we should have fair distribution of wealth. God forbid that we should help the poor and the starving at our expense.

No one here is against helping the poor. What we are against is giving our tax dollars to some UN organization that will likely mismanage and waste them.

Tell me how many billions of dollors have been given by the west to fight the problem? Now tell me are we any closer to solving the problem then we were 30 years ago.

So just giving money without a plan might make a bunch of bleeding heart liberals feel good about themselves but it does nothing to solve these problems


The biggest hinderence to the inprovement of the standard of living of these countries is the fact that companies have to deal with crupt local and national goverments. The fact that if you build a factory in one tribable(SP) area, Besides having to brib the leaders of that tribe, you have to brib the leaders of every other area your product goes through on the way to market.

Oh and yes we have most of the world wealth because we live in a country that gives ordinary people the chance to become billionairs. So no I don't feel bad about being an American. We've have choosen our path and other countries of choosen theirs.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by mikec918



No one here is against helping the poor. What we are against is giving our tax dollars to some UN organization that will likely mismanage and waste them.

Tell me how many billions of dollors have been given by the west to fight the problem? Now tell me are we any closer to solving the problem then we were 30 years ago.

So just giving money without a plan might make a bunch of bleeding heart liberals feel good about themselves but it does nothing to solve these problems


The biggest hinderence to the inprovement of the standard of living of these countries is the fact that companies have to deal with crupt local and national goverments. The fact that if you build a factory in one tribable(SP) area, Besides having to brib the leaders of that tribe, you have to brib the leaders of every other area your product goes through on the way to market.

Oh and yes we have most of the world wealth because we live in a country that gives ordinary people the chance to become billionairs. So no I don't feel bad about being an American. We've have choosen our path and other countries of choosen theirs.

Right now I don't have figures to hand but I will get some, watch this space!

Corrupt governments? You mean like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia? The US government likes these regimes far more than the people who live there.

Much of the economic might of the west is built on exploitation of the third world (sweatshops etc) and where a third world government won't toe the western line on investment conditions they don't get the investment (which often means reducing workers rights in order to be allowed to get even the smallest sliver of the western pie (example Vietnam).

You're quite right about one thing though, the answer is not giving money away, the answer is fair trade and the same working conditions for foreign workers as for domestic ones (but hey that would undermine every American citizen's right to try and become a billionaire at someone else's expense).

Oh, and the CIA funded both sides of a war in Afghanistan in the 80's as it was in the US economic interest to keep the area unstable (they didn't actually want anyone to win). Bizarrely one side was the USSR, the other side contained a certain Osama Bin Laden.

If you want to open your mind and challenge your own ideas try reading one or both of these books:

Hidden Agendas - John Pilger
The Silent Takeover - Noreena Hertz

 

[mikec918]

Originally posted by fluff


Right now I don't have figures to hand but I will get some, watch this space!

Corrupt governments? You mean like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Indonesia? The US government likes these regimes far more than the people who live there.

Much of the economic might of the west is built on exploitation of the third world (sweatshops etc) and where a third world government won't toe the western line on investment conditions they don't get the investment (which often means reducing workers rights in order to be allowed to get even the smallest sliver of the western pie (example Vietnam).

You're quite right about one thing though, the answer is not giving money away, the answer is fair trade and the same working conditions for foreign workers as for domestic ones (but hey that would undermine every American citizen's right to try and become a billionaire at someone else's expense).

Oh, and the CIA funded both sides of a war in Afghanistan in the 80's as it was in the US economic interest to keep the area unstable (they didn't actually want anyone to win). Bizarrely one side was the USSR, the other side contained a certain Osama Bin Laden.

If you want to open your mind and challenge your own ideas try reading one or both of these books:

Hidden Agendas - John Pilger
The Silent Takeover - Noreena Hertz

Oh yes I'm really going to put alot of stock in some liberals whinning and blaming the United States for all of the worlds problems.

Why don't you try Read some works by Thomas Sol

And those sweat shop jobs might not sound great to some liberals living in a fantasyworld but to some poor straving person they can be the first step to a better standard of living. Oh and 100 dollors a month might not seem alot to you but for someone living in and country with a PCI of 100.00 year it's a dam lot of money.


Yes Bill Gates is a billionare but the company he has built as also ment high paying jobs for thousand of people that work for both Mircrosoflt and it competors, Plus the jobs in computer manufactoring, Network managment and repair.

Oh and the Average salary for a union auto work in the US is 75-120.00 dollors a year with benfits so I wouldn't say these people are being used.

Oh and all the Countries you mentioned were all once Colonies of Europe so one might ask when did the problems begin.


So if you Europines think you have all the answers then go fix the problem. But just do it without our money.

Oh and give the people of Vietnam 20-40 years and they will have a vibrant open democratic economy like South Korea, Twain(SP) Thialand and Japan. Or they can do what liberals think is best and have goverment directed economyand have the same great living stadards of countries like North Korea.

And don't forget about the Millions of of people in Eastern Europe who had to live under Repressive Governments for 50 years. Due to the inaction of spineless Liberial Europine Governments. But what the heck one can easly forget about the 12 million people who were killed due to your inaction. But I must say you have made great inprovements you only let thousand of people be masacured(SP) in Bosnia while you sat around and did nothing. Oh and one could hardley expect the Peace keeper in Rawanda to make an effort to stop the killing of 500,000 people.

So the day you people take some responsiblity for your actions that is the day you have a right to complain about us.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by mikec918


Oh yes I'm really going to put alot of stock in some liberals whinning and blaming the United States for all of the worlds problems.

Why don't you try Read some works by Thomas Sol

Recommend a book or two and I will if you will.

Originally posted by mikec918


And those sweat shop jobs might not sound great to some liberals living in a fantasyworld but to some poor straving person they can be the first step to a better standard of living. Oh and 100 dollors a month might not seem alot to you but for someone living in and country with a PCI of 100.00 year it's a dam lot of money.

100 dollars a month seems like a pittance to me but at the end of the day that is irrelevant, standard of living is a much better barometer, along with infant mortality rates and life expectancy.

Originally posted by mikec918


Yes Bill Gates is a billionare but the company he has built as also ment high paying jobs for thousand of people that work for both Mircrosoflt and it competors, Plus the jobs in computer manufactoring, Network managment and repair.

Oh and the Average salary for a union auto work in the US is 75-120.00 dollors a year with benfits so I wouldn't say these people are being used. .

Actually Bill Gates has done some good philanthropic work, Microsoft's business tactics can be a little dubious at times. Surely a US auto worker earns more than $120 a year? If not then I would say they are being used...

Originally posted by mikec918


Oh and all the Countries you mentioned were all once Colonies of Europe so one might ask when did the problems begin.

So if you Europines think you have all the answers then go fix the problem. But just do it without our money.
.

And the point is? Poverty will not be eradicated with finger pointing and squabbling. Yeah the Europeans ****ed up plenty of countries, the USA being one former colony where the indigenous people got a rough deal. Chances are we share antecedents.

Originally posted by mikec918


Oh and give the people of Vietnam 20-40 years and they will have a vibrant open democratic economy like South Korea, Twain(SP) Thialand and Japan. Or they can do what liberals think is best and have goverment directed economyand have the same great living stadards of countries like North Korea.

And don't forget about the Millions of of people in Eastern Europe who had to live under Repressive Governments for 50 years. Due to the inaction of spineless Liberial Europine Governments. But what the heck one can easly forget about the 12 million people who were killed due to your inaction. But I must say you have made great inprovements you only let thousand of people be masacured(SP) in Bosnia while you sat around and did nothing. Oh and one could hardley expect the Peace keeper in Rawanda to make an effort to stop the killing of 500,000 people.

So the day you people take some responsiblity for your actions that is the day you have a right to complain about us.

Eh? 12 milion people dead due to our inaction? What on earth are you talking about? Where were the US peacekeepers in Bosnia? I know there were some European ones there.

Anyway, I will present you some figures (and sources) rather than opinions, not that I think you will give a rat's arse about the rest of the world.

 

[MMike]

fluff...I think you are wasting precious finger/typing strength. I find the residual "MacCarthyism" that lingers in this country amusing.

"Socialism???? Why that's commie pinko talk!!!"
(says the guy collecting unemployment insurance)

To americans I say: You are not taxed that badly. You have NO FREAKING IDEA what taxes are.

And if for a moment we assume that the money from this poropsed global tax ACTUALLY made to the people for whom it is intended, then I think it would be a great idea.

Originally posted by fluff


Recommend a book or two and I will if you will.



100 dollars a month seems like a pittance to me but at the end of the day that is irrelevant, standard of living is a much better barometer, along with infant mortality rates and life expectancy.



Actually Bill Gates has done some good philanthropic work, Microsoft's business tactics can be a little dubious at times. Surely a US auto worker earns more than $120 a year? If not then I would say they are being used...



And the point is? Poverty will not be eradicated with finger pointing and squabbling. Yeah the Europeans ****ed up plenty of countries, the USA being one former colony where the indigenous people got a rough deal. Chances are we share antecedents.



Eh? 12 milion people dead due to our inaction? What on earth are you talking about? Where were the US peacekeepers in Bosnia? I know there were some European ones there.

Anyway, I will present you some figures (and sources) rather than opinions, not that I think you will give a rat's arse about the rest of the world.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by MMike
fluff...I think you are wasting precious finger/typing strength. I find the residual "MacCarthyism" that lingers in this country amusing.

"Socialism???? Why that's commie pinko talk!!!"
(says the guy collecting unemployment insurance)

To americans I say: You are not taxed that badly. You have NO FREAKING IDEA what taxes are.

And if for a moment we assume that the money from this poropsed global tax ACTUALLY made to the people for whom it is intended, then I think it would be a great idea.

I think you're right but I just couldn't help myself.

 

[mikec918]

Originally posted by fluff


I think you're right but I just couldn't help myself.

American's Don't have the high taxes like the countries of Western Europe and Canada. Because we are not a bunch of sheep like you are just happly giving all our money to the government and letting them make all our decisions. We pay enuff taxes to provide for the general welbeing of our citzens.


Oh and how is a third World county suppose to inprove it's standard of living if you refuse to let companies invest in it. Oh yes lets give everyone in African a 50,000 a year union job with complete benifits. Liberals are always there with the quickfix answers. No the jobs people are likely to get in these countries are not going to stop the problems over night. But with time and education assitance will bring in more better jobs which inturn will increase the standard of living.


Oh and I don't take much stock in the opinion of people who have already made up their minds before they even begin doing research for a book and then go out and find only the facts that support their views. I take about as much stoke in the writting of some Liberal crybaby as I do in MeinKomp(SP)

 

[MMike]

Actually, you don't.

But anyway, this is pointless. Why don't you head to the shooting range and blow off some steam..................

Originally posted by mikec918



We pay enuff taxes to provide for the general welbeing of our citzens.

 

[mikec918]

Originally posted by MMike
Actually, you don't.

But anyway, this is pointless. Why don't you head to the shooting range and blow off some steam..................

Well I'd ask you to join me. Oh I forgot you gave away the right to bear arms Like good little Sheep.

Sorry that I'm not interested in living in your little utopia. Were you give all your income to the government and then let them decide where you live, what schools your childern go to and what medical coverage you get.

Oh Btw Cuba's few hours plane ride from Canada.

And your right this pointless since I can think for myself and I know how that must piss off a good little liberial (SP) like you.

 

[MMike]

I try to ignore good little rednecks like you.

Originally posted by mikec918




Well I'd ask you to join me. Oh I forgot you gave away the right to bear arms Like good little Sheep.

Sorry that I'm not interested in living in your little utopia. Were you give all your income to the government and then let them decide where you live, what schools your childern go to and what medical coverage you get.

Oh Btw Cuba's few hours plane ride from Canada.

And your right this pointless since I can think for myself and I know how that must piss off a good little liberial (SP) like you.

 

[Tenaciousle0]

I have to say, in this argument mike is absolutely correct

 

[Damn True]

Redistribution of wealth? What's up with that Karl?

Consider this. The folks that run these backwater countries are not living poorly. They are living on the backs of the beleagured populace. The Sultan of Bahrain could easilly improve the living conditions of the people in his country who have made him rich. He could improve infant mortality rates. Will he? No. Because that will cut into the number of Russian prostitutes that he ships in to meet his every whim. There are more Russian women in Bahrain than Brighton Beach NY. But I digress, the simple fact is that a guy like that, or pick the dictator of your choice, does not want us to come in and prop up the people of his country. He wants them downtrodden and working for him. If we empower them (which he wont allow) then it puts his situation at risk.

It just isn't as simple as throwing money overseas just to alleviate your guilt about how good you have it.

On the other subject;
You really do not want globalization of govt. and a globalized economy. The problem is that the small countries will do nothing but be a burden on the larger. This is the reason why Turkey is not being allowed into the European Union.

 

[Damn True]

Mike and MMike, throwing insults at each other? C'mon.

 

[MMike]

Oh you're one to to looking down his nose today, aren't you......

Originally posted by Damn True
Mike and MMike, throwing insults at each other? C'mon.

 

[Tenaciousle0]

Originally posted by Damn True
Mike and MMike, throwing insults at each other? C'mon.

What's the world coming to?

DT you are completely correct, and what about the trillions of dollars we already shovel into these crapholes?

 

[Damn True]

Originally posted by MMike
Oh you're one to to looking down his nose today, aren't you......

I forgot to add the sarcasm smiley.

You know I was pulling your leg

 

[Serial Midget]

You guys are loosing sight of the big picture here - I have to go all the way to Victoria BC for a decent Cuban baseball. That's just not right, I should be able to buy them at Wal-mart! :angry: :angry: :angry: No sarcasm here. I want those baseballs and I want them cheap.

 

[Damn True]

Cuban Baseball?

Explain por favor.

 

[mikec918]

Originally posted by MMike
I try to ignore good little rednecks like you.

Oh No I've been called a Redneck! OH what ever should I do?

I better watch myself before I'm hit with the liberal's most lethal weapon the
HISSY FIT.
"NOW STOP THAT" STOP That or I'll Tell MY MOMMY" (Really Whinney Liberal Voice)

 

[Damn True]

Besides MMike, its YOUR job to yell at ME when I am being silly.

 

[MMike]

I too am similarly reeling from the blow of being called a "liberal" by a redneck. If only I had some Jack Daniels and Skoal to calm my nerves........

Originally posted by mikec918



Oh No I've been called a Redneck! OH what ever should I do?

I better watch myself before I'm hit with the liberal's most lethal weapon the
HISSY FIT.
"NOW STOP THAT" STOP That or I'll Tell MY MOMMY" (Really Whinney Liberal Voice)

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by Damn True
Cuban Baseball?

Explain por favor.

Hand made Cuban baseballs are considered to be the best in the world. Because of that silly little missle crisis we had a few years back and the current embargo - I am being deprived of the best baseballs in the world!:angry:

That said... I really cannot afford the best baseballs in the world because BC is so freaking expensive and my car might get searched resulting in the seizure of said baseballs. But... if we lifted the embargo, Wal-Mart (or Costco I'm not picky) could contract a sweat shop to crank out millions of them for the American market. A $1.98 for a Cuban baseball would be one sweet deal.

What's this thread about anyway?

DT: I posted a question to you directly in your Jesus saves thread; I am interested in your honest response.

 

[mikec918]

Originally posted by MMike
I too am similarly reeling from the blow of being called a "liberal" by a redneck. If only I had some Jack Daniels and Skoal to calm my nerves........

Oh I'm a redneck just because I'm from Virginia. That must mean your ancestors were French since your from Montreal. Please tell me do you drop your weapons then turn and runaway. Or do you start running away then drop your weapon. And the fact that you can all runaway so fast without tripping over all those rifles is so impresive

I still can't see why the french are having so much trouble winning the Tour De France. Hell all you have to do is tell the french riders the German Army is chasing them and Lance and Jan won't stand a chance.

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by mikec918
Having that French blood in you must really help in those Long trail runs. Want to break your record in that up comming race...

Dude - While I am sure this thread is all about me... don't confuse me with some Canadian. I not from the upper reaches of the United States - what state is Canada in anyway?

Thanks for the support on my up coming ultra though! I have a 10K tomorrow - now that I know you care, I'll keep you posted!

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by mikec918



Oh I'm a redneck just because I'm from Virginia. That must mean your ancestors were French since your from Montreal. Please tell me do you drop your weapons then turn and runaway. Or do you start running away then drop your weapon. And the fact that you can all runaway so fast without tripping over all those rifles is so impressive.

Having that French blood in you must really help in those Long trail runs. Want to break your record in that up comming race. Just Image your a french Soldier and the Germany army is comming. I sure you'll break 5 hours no problem.

He he - caught you before you made your edit!

To answer your question: Being from VA does make you a redneck, there is really nothing you can do about it. On the other hand... you found the edit button. I don't think your average red neck could do that...