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remember this traitor?

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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REMEMBER, JANE FONDA ?
Subj: KEEP THIS MOVING; ACROSS AMERICA HONORING A TRAITOR This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

Please Keep this moving to everyperson you can.....the world needs to know, "Hanoi Jane," is not fit to be named as one of the 100 women, of the Century>>>Jane Fonda <<<<<turned traitor to her country and to the service men that were fighting
to save her and her country.
 

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The Full Dopey
Aug 6, 2001
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I hate to say it, but I never did know what the knock on her was for her Vietnam "involvement." This certanly explains it. Very disgusting indeed.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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SF, CA
All of this is news to me... I guess I'm a few years too young to remember.

Dispicable if true.
 

I Are Baboon

The Full Dopey
Aug 6, 2001
32,436
9,516
MTB New England
Originally posted by ohio
All of this is news to me... I guess I'm a few years too young to remember.

Dispicable if true.
Don't you remember all those "I'm not fonda Hanoi Jane" bumper stickers as a kid? That's the only reason I knew there was a story there.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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My father was a Viet Nam vet. He is an easy going person but he hates Jane Fonda with such a passion that the mention of her name puts him into an emotional frenzy. He made sure me and my brother and sister knew what a tremendous beotch she was from a very young age.
 

DRB

unemployed bum
Oct 24, 2002
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Watchin' you. Writing it all down.
Jerry Driscoll and Larry Carrigan both deny that either of the episodes listed happened to them.

The real f'up of these lies was that Jane was able to use them as proof that lies were being made up about her and her Vietnam visits. The truth is plenty to condemn her with.
 

Tenchiro

Attention K Mart Shoppers
Jul 19, 2002
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Ok check this article out, here is a quote from the third page;

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm?once=true&

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, whom I reached by phone at his home in Arizona. Carrigan, who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967, says he has no idea why this story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda," he told me. It goes without saying he never handed her a secret message.

He confessed that he did see Jane Fonda once while he was a POW – on film. The occasion was a night when Carrigan and the other 80 or so men he was interned with were called out into the prison courtyard – "the first time we'd been outside under the stars in 5 or 6 years." As the men stood there wondering what was in store for them, a movie projector began whirring behind them. Their captors were showing them footage of Fonda's 1972 visit to Hanoi.
 

patconnole

Monkey
Jun 4, 2002
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Originally posted by DRB
Jerry Driscoll and Larry Carrigan both deny that either of the episodes listed happened to them.

The real f'up of these lies was that Jane was able to use them as proof that lies were being made up about her and her Vietnam visits. The truth is plenty to condemn her with.


What was the truth?
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Denver
Originally posted by patconnole
What was the truth?
ditto?

I didn't mind posting the above without knowing the "truth" cuz from my weak memory of my dad's opinion -- he served in Korea War -- I didn't have to know whether the above was true to know that many people thought she was a traitor.

But I am curious as to the "truth"
 
there is and never will be a TRUTH

just many points of view


and, i do not personally think jane deserves any big recognition, she changed her mind too many times to hold to anything other then to symbolize what the hippie generation turned me-yuppies in the eighties really are, a whole lot of self centered people who spawned generation x