Someone Damaging Features At A Local San Diego Trail

JayBear · Dec 20, 2010

This could get good..

LOOnatic · Dec 21, 2010

Wow. I know him from back in the day riding that trail.
Can u please elaborate on the context of this mess?

*edit*

Okay so i made some phone calls and it looks like a long running internal dispute from within the DH ranks.
Lets remember a few things however.
It was always the landowners(think the bofus wall) , rich and snotty horse people and the rangers who were the threat to us riding that sweet piece of trail.
When that trail was my local trail back when we had to dodge all kinds of BS to even get a few runs in.
Remember when it was so "hot" (as in illegal) to ride there that you had to jump out of the shuttle already geared up and couldn't leave your car up top b/c of tickets from the ranger lady or vandilism?

For crying out loud after all that trail has been through over the years a battle from within is not neccesary.
If this dispute escalates even more might it spill over to a point where bikers lose access period?
Think about that .
The other user groups would just love to see that happen.

I still fondly remember hucking off the mushroom drop on my 5" bike like it was yesterday!

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

Unless you want to meet my corporate lawyer, i recommend you take down this thread. you are using modernanalytics without my permission.

and it is steve who is dumbing stuff down, not me. and it is steve who tears up other people's stuff.

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

you have two hours before i will pursue this to the full extent permissible by law.

OB1 · Dec 21, 2010

Internet call out....nice. This is my local spot. The pissing match must end.

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

well, steve has paved that one as well and added a transition at the end.

i used to drop it before they (Mark and Steve) made it rideable to the unskilled.

LOOnatic · Dec 21, 2010

I've seen this happen at Windrock.
This is one pissing match where EVERYONE loses.
It's what happens when very passionate people (the OG and the newer guys) albeit both love riding bikes end up on different sides.
If this sh!t leads to the trail being closed somehow then people will be out for blood.
Dont let ego's fvuck this up!

Sincerely, Everybody else.

Orvan · Dec 21, 2010

Loo, stay the eff out of this. You're not in Daygo anymore. Let me finish my popcorn first. :devil:

ps: I found bits of your square taper BB near the mushroom drop.

LOOnatic · Dec 21, 2010

mkehder said:
well, steve has paved that one as well and added a transition at the end.

i used to drop it before they (Mark and Steve) made it rideable to the unskilled.

Whats baffling to the outsiders is how both groups are pissed at the other for dumbing down the trail.
Which is it?
You dont have to be friends damit but how about having a few beers(i know matias' garage fridge is well stocked) together and burying the hatchet once and for all?
Think about whats at stake .
Would Troy approve of how far this has gotten out of hand?
We all love the same thing.

Orvan · Dec 21, 2010

LOOnatic said:
Would Troy approve of how far this

Wow! Name dropping from the archive. Jeeze. Troy's style of riding is def sorely missed.

Now, Loo, step off and let this thread brew. Step off. :weee:

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

no deals to be had. Steve is tearing other people's stuff down (wooden stunts a few years back, the road gap on old Anderson, the new line coming in from the left on world cup (with a silly jump in it - kind of like the old line before the fire). other lines that he did not make because he things it gets rid of pedaling, whatever.

the only line i have chopped up is the 911 entry. it interferes with the existing line coming of the first rock drop in the triple jump combination. i have never removed anything else.

Steve on the other hand has been tearing stuff down 4 times in a row after i asked him not too.

Troy called Steve and told him he is waaaay out of line. and Steve is.

and two the grasshoper - we will let the lawyer decide: Defamation of Character, Slander.

the garage is stocked right now too. cases of Abyss are to be found

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

what is hard to understand is that it is Steve who is tearing **** up and i am the one who is being blamed.

what is even harder to understand is that people have to hide behind fake names (v24/grasshoper).

i am not a lawyer, that is why i keep a corporate lawyer on the payroll. i will let her decide

kevmortensen · Dec 21, 2010

mkehder said:
the only line I have chopped up is the 911 entry. it interferes with the existing line coming of the first rock drop in the triple jump combination. i have never removed anything else.

Are you the one responsible for filling in waterfall?

JayBear · Dec 21, 2010

you guys live five minutes from each other and your fighting on the intra webs ? Thats lame..You know whats lamer, me , for following this. You should joust on the tallest feature.Winner take all. Then, kegs.

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

so who are you v24. let's have a beer - i keep plenty at my office too

fyi, Steve's email to me:

Mattias:

You are coward.

It's unfortunate that you have stooped to this level. But, sadly that is
how cowardly pieces of **** behave. Like I said to you last
week....It's hard to determine whether you are just ignorant, or
stoned...or, perhaps both?

Who the hell do you think you are? You self absorbed, selfish, arrogant,
self entitled, douchebag.

From the moment I first set a knobby tire on World Cup in 2001, I have been
infatuated, captivated, and empassioned with the raw beauty of that
trail. I have done my best to respect the place, give something back, and
try to preserve that beauty,challenge, and magic, as best as I know how.

I have invested hundreds hours of sweat equity, building in
the pouring rain, repairing, enhancing, picking up trash, and doing my part
to not only try to act as a steward to preserve the original challenging,
technical vibe of that place...but, also...to add some technical challenges
for others to enjoy.

You, and your stoned cohorts, however, seem to take the complete opposite
approach.
Straightlining corners, and turns wherever possible. Removing rocks in the
trail, building and cutting trail in an unsustainable, poorly designed,
fashion, etc. And for what? Because, you are simply a marginally
skilled, lazy rider. It would be easy to dismiss it as you simply being a
moron with a selfish agenda... But, add to that, the fact that you are a
permastoned buffoon, and it's no wonder that you are impossible to reason
with.

Your sense of self entitlement and arrogance is staggering.

Who the hell do you think you are? What eactly is it, that you think gives
you the right to dumb that trail down? Is it to suit your blatant lack of
bike handling skills? Do the rest of your "Steve Peat Wanna-be" buddies
appreciate your antics? I can tell you that a lot of riders who frequent
World Cup certainly don't. You're not doing anyone any favors.

Mattias, I've ridden with you, and watched you ride on enough
occasions...that there is absolutely no question, without any doubt... that
you clearly posess only mediocre bikehandling skills, at best.

You are a slow, unskilled, lazy, stoner, hack. You ride trails with a
downhill bike, festooned with all of the latest DH technology... and you
still can't ride for ****. Like a snail on Ambien. What a joke!

If it wasn't for weenie lines on just about every feature on World Cup...you
wouldn't be able to "ride" that trail.

Pathetic, little, arrogant prick.

We've tried to reason with you in a diplomatic fashion...but, there comes a
point when dealing with a stoned, intractable, moron, terrorist, with
a spoiled, 5 year's old's mentality...is just impossible.

Because you lack any real work ethic, or incentive, to better yourself as
a rider, you continue to dumb that place down to accomodate your own
selfish, jackassian, personal agenda.

And once again, with your limitless, arrogant, incompetence spinning
unchecked...you
act out in yet another completely selfish manner... sanitizing an iconic
feature..The waterfall.

Do have any idea how many people enjoyed the challenge of riding
theWaterfall, as it was? Before you took it upon yourself to remove
embedded rock, ridiculously widen, and then bench cut in loose, kitty
litter scree? Of course you don't. Your head is far too up your ass.

Or, perhaps it simply doesn't matter...because "you helped build World
Cup"... and that somehow entitles you to dumb the trail down to the lowest
common denomonator, to suit your own selfish needs?

I speak for a lot of riders when I say that you have singlehandedly ruined
what was once a challenging, iconic feature, just because you didn't have
the
guts, or skills to ride it, as it was. And, AND....what's even more
pathetic.... is that you, and the rest of Team Spicoli ,had a weenie line,
already in place, not 15 feet adjacent to it. "To keep the flow going".

As for the features that I've added to the trail over the years? I'm not
sure why you feel so threatened by them? For starters..they are off line.
No ones forcing you to hit them.
So, it's really blatantly obvious
that you simply don't have the balls, or the bike handling skills, to ever
consider hitting any of those features. And that's OK, Mattias..There's
nothing wrong with knowing and accepting one's limitations. What's
tragicially pathetic is the psychopathic manner in which you conduct
yourself and act out, as a result of your own shortcomings.

Here's a newsflash for you, Einstein... lot's of riders actually enjoy the
challenge of having to use their brains and skills, and fitness, when they
ride out there. Not just straightline, bombing runs, bypassing anything
even remotely technical....as you do.

I've had countless people thank me for investing my time to put those
features together. Riders that enjoy not only going fast, but like to have
something that actually pushes and expands their existing imagination and
skillset.

And, now you feel empowered to butcher these features?

You're not just attacking me, you bloodshot eyed, simpleton...you're ruining
it for countless others.

I don't own that trail...Never claimed I did. I'm just one
guy whos been passionate enough about it to try to preserve some of
the original flavor and add a little spice to it. So, you think that the
childish crap you're pulling is really getting back at me? Not really.
The collateral damage is that you've just ruined the stoke for a lot of
other people.

Selfish, little, infantile, prick.

You claim that you were part of the original crew that built that place?
I seriously doubt that you really had anything meaningful to offer. I find
it hard to believe...after all of these years...that you
posess such a lack of skill and motivation when it comes to riding a
mountainbike...how the Hell could you have possibly ridden anything up
there,"back in the day"?

Back then, there where little to no weenie lines. There's no way I'm buying
that you rode anything even remotely challenging out there. Nope.

And, even if you did play a part in building the original trail... what the
Hell does that have to do with anything,anyway? How is that relevant? Do
you feel that somehow entitles you to dumb down and sanitize
World Cup, now... to suit you, as you see fit?

World Cup, today, doesn't even remotely resemble what the trail looked like
10 years ago. Myself, along with others, have put in as much time, if not
moreso,of sweat equity as you.

There's hardly any section on World Cup today, that we
haven't had a role in designing, building, or maintaining. So, don't try to
sell me your flawed rationale that because I personally wasn't around 15
years ago, or whenever World Cup was originally laid out, that I have no
right to clean up, or attempt to undo damage and sanitization that clowns
like you extoll.

You, are as much to blame for the pathetic current overall condition out
there as the Walmart bike crowd.

That place has turned into a braided, straightlined, watered down,
mess...Thanks in great part, to lazy, unskilled, hacks like you. At
least the organ donors onWalmart bikes, have an excuse...they don't
know any better.

You should be ashamed. If it wasn't for your drug adled state of
conciousness, that is.

You should be embarrassed, but, clearly you are too stubborn, selfish, self
entitled, and arrogant.

I'm only briefly going to respond to your flawed idiocy regarding the
removal of the road gap at the base of ATT and the removal of that wooden
ladder drop on World Cup, proper. I'm not sure why...It's unlikely that your
reptilian brain can grasp any of it, anyway.

But here goes:

1. Any reasonable person that uses that trail and values the privelege of
riding there, understood completely, why it had to come
down. I even spoke with the guy who built it (Elliot) and he agreed.
I even promised him that I would help build something bigger, up on
World Cup...where it would be less visible, and not in the backyards
of houses,directly across from the trail. And, then I did. Where do you
think the idea for the 3Some came from? It's a much bigger and challenging
move than that road gap ever was.

2. You really don't understand why huge wooden structures aren't good for
us to have out there? Really? You don't get that? Besides, look what I
replaced that with..The Halloween Drop is substantially better constructed
and made with natural, sustainable materials. And besides...it's a
considerably
bigger and far more challenging move.

But, you'd never know that. You've never hit that, or any of the features
I've built.

You don't have the stones, or the skills, to even attempt it.
Mattias, you are an incompetent fool, who masquerades himself, like you are
some elite, gnar core, downhill racer and brilliant trail builder. And, the
reality is... that you are the furthest thing from any of that..

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

continued as his email was to long to fit in one window:

You build such stupid crap out there... it's a joke. An unskilled, half
blind, laborer, in some 3rd world county, is far more adept at building
something than what you come up with.

That "trail" you cut from 4 corners down , "The Spicoli trail"...is a
benchmark, shining example of the depths of your stoned incompetence.
A fall-line, rutted, eyesore, of a mess... cut in some of the worst soil in
the area.

It's hastitly cut, poorly designed, and chock full of weak sauce features.

It's quite possibly the poorest example of trail work I've ever laid a
knobby tire upon. I rode it again a few weeks ago, just to remind myself,
of what a pathetic mess, that trail is
.
The "Spicoli Trail...Built by stoners, for Stoners"

So, what is it really Mattias? Do your insecurities as a mountain biker
overwhelm you to the point, that you are scared and intimidated by what
I build? Does it slap you hard in the face that you are a pathetic excuse
for a rider and will never possess the skills to try anything outside of
your mediocre skillset?

Or, perhaps it also goes back to the day, this last summer, when I kicked
your ass down Noble on my little cross country bike? Remember that day?
You left a message on my answering machine. I'll paraphraise:

"Hey Steve: This is Mattias. Mannn...that was awesome riding with you
today!!!!I haven't been pushed like that in a long time. These guys that I
ride with don't push me, at all. We need to ride again- call me". I never
returned your call, because I simply don't like you, and the thought of
spending a day riding with an idiot like you, doesn't sound appealing or
inspiring at all.

So, is that part of what this tantrum that you're throwing is about? Are you
all butthurt?

As far as why you are a hypocrite? It's really simple. Let me see if I can
explain it to you in simple terms, that your Neanderthalian brain can
digest.You constantly chirp on on, how "You don't own the trail" That you
are "just trying to have fun on your bicycle". And your actions and choices
are the complete opposite. That's why you are hypocrite. Get it?

You can't even settle things like like a man. You're a pathetic,
little,spoiled infant, masquerading as an adult.

So, go ahead and make your little threats. Keep acting like the spoiled
little 5 year old brat, that you are.

You're a partner in a business, right? WOW...I really feel sorry for anyone
who has to suffer through any business transactions with you, in any way at
all. That can't be a
pleasant experience for people that have to deal with you.

And, as a parent...It will be a shame if if you're passing down these
lessons to your children, in how to conduct and behave in society, in the
selfish,
arrogant manner in which you do.

The word's out, Mattias..

When people continue to see and hear about the infantile behaviour, and
poor choices that you've made. It will only serve as a testament as to what
a complete selfish, douchebag you really are. Your legacy in the
mountainbike
community is already cast in stone. Keep throwing a big tantrum in the
sandbox and kicking and crying like the whiny,
little bitch, you are... and you'll only serve to become even more infamous.

Mattais Gheyder..."The Hitler of ATT"

Karma has a funny way of working, asswipe.

Go **** yourself,

SBG

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

I am in agreement with everyone, but Steve.

I am done with this topic and if you want ATT to stay the way it is, focus your energy on Steve. I will not back down. He messes with stuff, I mess with his stuff. I won't instigate, but i will retaliate.

Happy riding to all.

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

Steve has been tearing out my stuff for years. I have never touched anything of his until the 911 jump. It was the only thing i could think of that would get to him as he won't leave mine and other peoples stuff alone. Mark and him have been a ridicule for years.

I asked him to leave my stuff alone (yes, i don't like uphills on downhill trails) but he wouldn't, even after i asked him 4 times. (not to mention the other 100 times i asked them to leave stuff alone). But as you can see by his hate mail, he has personal issues.

if you ask anyone i ride with, i have never offended him, i actually still today say he is a decent rider.

i have told him (including in the email he posted) to leave EXISTENT trail alone - cut your own stuff and you can put nails on the trail - i don't care.

He just won't abide by the rules that everyone else agrees too.

i appreciate the work stuff being taken down

i'd still like to know your name so

2gungho · Dec 21, 2010

There are plenty of trail options for everyone.

mkehder · Dec 21, 2010

i never wanted to un-bury the hatched, and i am glad to bury it again.

the problem has been that Steve has been doing and lying about it for years - so i am glad the story is out. his email tirade is evidence enough that the guy is clueless.

And i did not want to do anything to the 911 stunt either. i talked to many people before i did it and asked them to convince me other wise. I did use quite a bit of restrained so it can be easily fixed as i agree (and i told him) other riders should not be affected by his (and Marks)actions of being lord of all trails.

an apology from Steve on both forums and a commitment that he will not mess with anything but his own stunts and i will go out and repair the damage to the 911 stunt.

Arkayne · Dec 21, 2010

LOOnatic · Dec 21, 2010

^^^^ Thanks Arkayne, totally appropriate.

tidan · Dec 21, 2010

24v said:
How about both parties agree to leave each others features alone, and we all benefit from it?

I am not trying to pick a fight with you. All I want is for you to not harm the trail any further. How about we have a trail day, and all go out there together to work on some trail? The wet weather sure makes trail repairs easier.

Sounds reasonable! Perhaps if both parties were in closer contact, they could coordinate trail work/mods that would be in the trails best interest based on its original intended use by the creators.

BullittX · Dec 22, 2010

I have not and will not read through all the various postings nor will I come back to this thread. Heres what I have to say

Matthias, the simple fact that you are accusing Steve and I of dumbing down trails when it is well know that he and I have built some of the largest and most well built features (not in the original trail but off to the side) proves you are delusional or more likely trying to divert attention away from yourself.

You can accuse me of trying to block off the weenie lines with sticks & rocks, you can accuse me of trying to fix all the rutted out fall lines sections on World Cup, you can accuse me of rebuilding the berms on Noname, you can accuse me of picking up glass, nails inner tubes and tear offs, you can even accuse me of reworking some of the poorly built features others have created. But to accuse me of dumbing down the trail is an outright lie.

When have you ever helped out with any trail work, anywhere?

You have been to one too many safety meetings, you have clearly implicated yourself online in damaging a historic publicly used trail (but not a public trail), should anyone get hurt you may be libel, do you really wish to bring that onto yourself and your family? Are you really that selfish & inconsiderate to others?

Ill man up and admit it was wrong of me building a few lips in the trail & blocking off weenie lines (that I never thought were yours until I saw you constantly ride them and thats OK, so do I), but I stopped after you gave me a lot of grief over it.

You need to man up and admit to your hypocrisy otherwise no one will ever take you seriously.

mark@sdmba.com

BTW; where are these pictures you keep threatening us with? Of us supposedly doing something to Gatos Ravine Trail? It is well known that all of the new features were built with the Forest Services approval; in fact, they have asked SDMBA to adopt the trail. Do you even know that we adopted Noble Canyon Trail years ago?

binary visions · Dec 22, 2010

Matthias, just so you know, I am the one who receives your emails to the admin, and your thread reports.

There are a lot of things that I'm willing to do for people who ask nicely, but I do not respond well to attempted bullying or childish threats of sic'ing your legal counsel on us.

You clearly have no grasp of what the legal responsibilities of a message board are.

I hope this whole thing gets ironed out without resorting to destroying trails, but next time you might want to try some reasonable discussion with the site admin before resorting to ridiculous threats of legal action... especially when you don't have a leg to stand on.

ncrider · Dec 23, 2010

binary visions said:
especially when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Hahaha owned! :rofl:

Matthias, threatening to sue people is about as gay as it gets. You sound like a two year old crying to his mama. Actually the litigious nature of this country is one of the reasons we have so few trails to ride. So awesome you are helping to reinforce the problem. Well done jack ass.

IH8Rice · Dec 23, 2010

ncrider said:
Actually the litigious nature of this country is one of the reasons we have so few trails to ride. So awesome you are helping to reinforce the problem. Well done jack ass.

truth.

mkehder · Dec 29, 2010

Quote: You need to man up and admit to your hypocrisy otherwise no one will ever take you seriously.

The only one who needs to man up is you and your butt-buddy. Who inadvertently apologized to me yesterday in front of other people and me (which i accepted, but told him he needs to do it on the forums). You know that you guys are the only people who dumb stuff down and you tried to blame it on me. Unfortunately you pissed of the wrong person. I have watched you guys screw things up for about 5 years now, your stunts on the "side" are an eyesore, and I have done more trail maintenance than you and Steve combined without dumbing things down or cutting cheater lines.

The problem is that you take credit for things you didn't do (like build Eco challenge or the new way out after trash can alley or the line next to the waterfall on World Cup and ... the list is endless.

You are also the one who covers up lines on Chico Ravine (put rocks in places to force people to go over your baby steps and berms that are made for wheelchairs). no that isn't you? i am sure you know who took your picture while doing it? While you put little lips on the side, but cut my lines by placing rocks and sticks in them?

Here is a classic example of your ignorance: When the new Eco challenge was cut, just before the first rock drop into the triple jump combination (where you guys dug a hole a mile deep and created the 911 eyesore) you guys actually covered up the original line which had one more turn in it and promoted your cheater line. You don't even know where the trail goes, but think you can modify it.

Buddy, the only credibility here on the line is yours and Steve's and i can tell you that you have pissed of a lot of people and i hope that you will find your future rides constantly reminded of your complete disrespect for the truth. You have been caught lying sooooo much that it is comical.

As with regards to your anthill of a stunt (the 911 drop) - i fixed it. But remember, next time there is stick in my line or a rock on inside lines - they are all gone.

Happy trail riding.
Matthias

EBasil · Dec 30, 2010

When a trail dies, the terrorists win.

Dirtbag24 · Jan 1, 2011

Matthias,

It would probably be good if both sides would chill out a bit and stop aggravating things (i.e. refrain from enhancing the trails for a while). I don't think that that on/off trail confrontations, mutual threats or actual damage done to respective parties favourite features/trails or threats of litigation will advance any parties or, for that matter, the local Mountainbiking communities interests.

DB

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