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Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Published on Wednesday, January 29, 2003 by the Daily Mirror/UK

Blair is a Coward

by John Pilger

William Russell, the great correspondent who reported the carnage of
imperial wars, may have first used the expression "blood on his
hands" to describe impeccable politicians who, at a safe distance,
order the mass killing of ordinary people.

In my experience "on his hands" applies especially to those modern
political leaders who have had no personal experience of war, like
George W Bush, who managed not to serve in Vietnam, and the effete
Tony Blair.

There is about them the essential cowardice of the man who causes
death and suffering not by his own hand but through a chain of
command that affirms his "authority".

In 1946 the judges at Nuremberg who tried the Nazi leaders for war
crimes left no doubt about what they regarded as the gravest crimes
against humanity.

The most serious was unprovoked invasion of a sovereign state that
offered no threat to one's homeland. Then there was the murder of
civilians, for which responsibility rested with the "highest
authority".

Blair is about to commit both these crimes, for which he is being
denied even the flimsiest United Nations cover now that the weapons
inspectors have found, as one put it, "zilch".

Like those in the dock at Nuremberg, he has no democratic cover.

Using the archaic "royal prerogative" he did not consult parliament
or the people when he dispatched 35,000 troops and ships and aircraft
to the Gulf; he consulted a foreign power, the Washington regime.

Unelected in 2000, the Washington regime of George W Bush is now
totalitarian, captured by a clique whose fanaticism and ambitions of
"endless war" and "full spectrum dominance" are a matter of record.

All the world knows their names: Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz,
Cheney and Perle, and Powell, the false liberal. Bush's State of the
Union speech last night was reminiscent of that other great moment in
1938 when Hitler called his generals together and told them: "I must
have war." He then had it.

To call Blair a mere "poodle" is to allow him distance from the
killing of innocent Iraqi men, women and children for which he will
share responsibility.

He is the embodiment of the most dangerous appeasement humanity has
known since the 1930s. The current American elite is the Third Reich
of our times, although this distinction ought not to let us forget
that they have merely accelerated more than half a century of
unrelenting American state terrorism: from the atomic bombs dropped
cynically on Japan as a signal of their new power to the dozens of
countries invaded, directly or by proxy, to destroy democracy
wherever it collided with American "interests", such as a voracious
appetite for the world's resources, like oil.

When you next hear Blair or Straw or Bush talk about "bringing
democracy to the people of Iraq", remember that it was the CIA that
installed the Ba'ath Party in Baghdad from which emerged Saddam
Hussein.

"That was my favorite coup," said the CIA man responsible. When you
next hear Blair and Bush talking about a "smoking gun" in Iraq, ask
why the US government last December confiscated the 12,000 pages of
Iraq's weapons declaration, saying they contained "sensitive
information" which needed "a little editing".

Sensitive indeed. The original Iraqi documents listed 150 American,
British and other foreign companies that supplied Iraq with its
nuclear, chemical and missile technology, many of them in illegal
transactions. In 2000 Peter Hain, then a Foreign Office Minister,
blocked a parliamentary request to publish the full list of
lawbreaking British companies. He has never explained why.

As a reporter of many wars I am constantly aware that words on the
page like these can seem almost abstract, part of a great chess game
unconnected to people's lives.

The most vivid images I carry make that connection. They are the end
result of orders given far away by the likes of Bush and Blair, who
never see, or would have the courage to see, the effect of their
actions on ordinary lives: the blood on their hands.

Let me give a couple of examples. Waves of B52 bombers will be used
in the attack on Iraq. In Vietnam, where more than a million people
were killed in the American invasion of the 1960s, I once watched
three ladders of bombs curve in the sky, falling from B52s flying in
formation, unseen above the clouds.

They dropped about 70 tons of explosives that day in what was known
as the "long box" pattern, the military term for carpet bombing.
Everything inside a "box" was presumed destroyed.

When I reached a village within the "box", the street had been
replaced by a crater.

I slipped on the severed shank of a buffalo and fell hard into a
ditch filled with pieces of limbs and the intact bodies of children
thrown into the air by the blast.

The children's skin had folded back, like parchment, revealing veins
and burnt flesh that seeped blood, while the eyes, intact, stared
straight ahead. A small leg had been so contorted by the blast that
the foot seemed to be growing from a shoulder. I vomited.

I am being purposely graphic. This is what I saw, and often; yet even
in that "media war" I never saw images of these grotesque sights on
television or in the pages of a newspaper.

I saw them only pinned on the wall of news agency offices in Saigon
as a kind of freaks' gallery.

SOME years later I often came upon terribly deformed Vietnamese
children in villages where American aircraft had sprayed a herbicide
called Agent Orange.

It was banned in the United States, not surprisingly for it contained
Dioxin, the deadliest known poison.

This terrible chemical weapon, which the cliche-mongers would now
call a weapon of mass destruction, was dumped on almost half of South
Vietnam.

Today, as the poison continues to move through water and soil and
food, children continue to be born without palates and chins and
scrotums or are stillborn. Many have leukemia.

You never saw these children on the TV news then; they were too
hideous for their pictures, the evidence of a great crime, even to be
pinned up on a wall and they are old news now.

That is the true face of war. Will you be shown it by satellite when
Iraq is attacked? I doubt it.

I was starkly reminded of the children of Vietnam when I traveled in
Iraq two years ago. A pediatrician showed me hospital wards of
children similarly deformed: a phenomenon unheard of prior to the
Gulf war in 1991.

She kept a photo album of those who had died, their smiles undimmed
on gray little faces. Now and then she would turn away and wipe her
eyes.

continued in next post...
 

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Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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continuation:


More than 300 tons of depleted uranium, another weapon of mass
destruction, were fired by American aircraft and tanks and possibly
by the British.

Many of the rounds were solid uranium which, inhaled or ingested,
causes cancer. In a country where dust carries everything, swirling
through markets and playgrounds, children are especially vulnerable.

For 12 years Iraq has been denied specialist equipment that would
allow its engineers to decontaminate its southern battlefields.

It has also been denied equipment and drugs that would identify and
treat the cancer which, it is estimated, will affect almost half the
population in the south.

LAST November Jeremy Corbyn MP asked the Junior Defense Minister Adam
Ingram what stocks of weapons containing depleted uranium were held
by British forces operating in Iraq.

His robotic reply was: "I am withholding details in accordance with
Exemption 1 of the Code of Practice on Access to Government
Information."

Let us be clear about what the Bush-Blair attack will do to our
fellow human beings in a country already stricken by an embargo run
by America and Britain and aimed not at Saddam Hussein but at the
civilian population, who are denied even vaccines for the children.
Last week the Pentagon in Washington announced matter of factly that
it intended to shatter Iraq "physically, emotionally and
psychologically" by raining down on its people 800 cruise missiles in
two days.

This will be more than twice the number of missiles launched during
the entire 40 days of the 1991 Gulf War.

A military strategist named Harlan Ullman told American television:
"There will not be a safe place in Baghdad. The sheer size of this
has never been seen before, never been contemplated before."

The strategy is known as Shock and Awe and Ullman is apparently its
proud inventor. He said: "You have this simultaneous effect, rather
like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima, not taking days or weeks but
minutes."

What will his "Hiroshima effect" actually do to a population of whom
almost half are children under the age of 14?

The answer is to be found in a "confidential" UN document, based on
World Health Organization estimates, which says that "as many as
500,000 people could require treatment as a result of direct and
indirect injuries".

A Bush-Blair attack will destroy "a functioning primary health care
system" and deny clean water to 39 per cent of the population. There
is "likely [to be] an outbreak of diseases in epidemic if not
pandemic proportions".

It is Washington's utter disregard for humanity, I believe, together
with Blair's lies that have turned most people in this country
against them, including people who have not protested before.

Last weekend Blair said there was no need for the UN weapons
inspectors to find a "smoking gun" for Iraq to be attacked.

Compare that with his reassurance in October 2001 that there would be
no "wider war" against Iraq unless there was "absolute evidence" of
Iraqi complicity in September 11. And there has been no evidence.

Blair's deceptions are too numerous to list here. He has lied about
the nature and effect of the embargo on Iraq by covering up the fact
that Washington, with Britain's support, is withholding more than
$5billion worth of humanitarian supplies approved by the Security
Council.

He has lied about Iraq buying aluminum tubes, which he told
Parliament were "needed to enrich uranium". The International Atomic
Energy Agency has denied this outright.

He has lied about an Iraqi "threat", which he discovered only
following September 11 2001 when Bush made Iraq a gratuitous target
of his "war on terror". Blair's "Iraq dossier" has been mocked by
human rights groups.

However, what is wonderful is that across the world the sheer force
of public opinion isolates Bush and Blair and their lemming, John
Howard in Australia.

So few people believe them and support them that The Guardian this
week went in search of the few who do - "the hawks". The paper
published a list of celebrity warmongers, some apparently shy at
describing their contortion of intellect and morality. It is a small
list.

IN CONTRAST the majority of people in the West, including the United
States, are now against this gruesome adventure and the numbers grow
every day.

It is time MPs joined their constituents and reclaimed the true
authority of parliament. MPs like Tam Dalyell, Alice Mahon, Jeremy
Corbyn and George Galloway have stood alone for too long on this
issue and there have been too many sham debates manipulated by
Downing Street.

If, as Galloway says, a majority of Labour backbenchers are against
an attack, let them speak up now.

Blair's figleaf of a "coalition" is very important to Bush and only
the moral power of the British people can bring the troops home
without them firing a shot.

The consequences of not speaking out go well beyond an attack on
Iraq. Washington will effectively take over the Middle East, ensuring
an age of terrorism other than their own.

The next American attack is likely to be Iran - the Israelis want
this - and their aircraft are already in place in Turkey. Then it may
be China's turn.

"Endless war" is Vice-President Cheney's contribution to our
understanding.

Bush has said he will use nuclear weapons "if necessary". On March 26
last Geoffrey Hoon said that other countries "can be absolutely
confident that in the right conditions we would be willing to use our
nuclear weapons".

Such madness is the true enemy. What's more, it is right here at home
and you, the British people, can stop it.
 

Drunken_Ninja

Turbo Monkey
Aug 25, 2002
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not sure how to respond to all of that fluff. u had alot to say that time.

I think that due to political pressure blair and bush alike will seek to use the UN for one more resolution in order to strengthen their grip over a war with iraq.

dunno what proof the u.s. has got, it is gonna be really damning...

the lives that get lost due to war were the expense of doing war. I am interested that politicians might care to observe the polarity of peace before violence is considered. To exercise effective leadership before control and manipulation might be a little more prudent.

The propaganda is really bad right now. The media isn't about to let go of this as it happens.

If bush and blair justify the war they create later rather than sooner? We'll all be safer?!?

Damned if I know. What the f*ck has the rest of the world got to lose? No one likes dictators. Minimize the pain here.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Yet again i see we're clinging to issues of a bygone era to try and dictate what we're doing now. The fact that the US supplied Iraq in the 80s and allowed Hussein to come to power simply has no matter in the current situation. Sure, its an interesting fact, but i just dont see what it changes. The problem with Iraq exists regardless of who or what caused it. The time is now to fix it.

Bringing of horror stories of vietnam, World War 2 and the like most certainly bring us to visualize the reality of war, but as history has proven time and again...war works. It is the sad state of the world. I certainly believe that all of the hardship in Iraq will certainly come to ease when the US and the rest of the UN begin helping out in what will hopefully be a stable nation after this confrontation ends. However it ends.

Comparing Bush to Hitler actually kind of erks me. I mean, where's the comparison at all? The too are quite opposite in fact and the writer here was obviously just trying to relate the president to the most evil person he could think of. The terrorists do the same thing when they call the US the Great Satan. Propaganda is alive and well in all walks of life.

I kind of found it sad how at the end, all this entire thing was, was another politicians ploy. Oh well.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by BurlySurly
but as history has proven time and again...war works.
You need to read better history. WWII and our own revolutionary war are the only wars in our nations history that "worked." Every single other war (including bombing campaigns that we choose not to call wars) regardless of who "won" or "lost," DID NOT "WORK." A few, here and there, achieved their goals (that in hindsight were antithetical to the morality and beliefs we claim to live by)... most did not.

The comparison was not to hitler, but to war criminals that we rightfully condemned. Instead of tossing the statement aside, why not actually argue against it? Point out the differences... there are some. Not enough in my mind, but you might make a more powerful argument than I can.

It also follows that you should explain why you believe this situation differs from Vietnam or the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki... Cruise missiles are pretty indiscriminant, and Baghdad is a populous city. Why do you think any less than tens of thousands civilians will die and 500,000 might need medical treatment?




Thank you, fluff. Great article.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by Damn True
Blah, blah, blah......whatever.

His last satement is wrong. It is not the British people who can nor should they stop this. It is Saddam Hussein.
It boggles my mind that folks intent on war refuse to argue.

And you're wrong that it is only Saddam that could stop the war. Either side could. We could simply not go to war. That decision will have consequences, just like going to war would... but it IS a choice we have nonetheless. The claim "we had no choice" is an extremely dangerous one. I suggest you think carefully before using it.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by ohio
It boggles my mind that folks intent on war refuse to argue.
Im not intent on war at all. In fact, im all for World Peace, but I dont think that Saddam Hussein will allow peace to exist. We have no choice.

Oh, i dont think the Washington=3rd Reich Argument is even worth my time.
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
I am not intent on war. I would like nothing more than to see Hussein line up the NBC weapons and destroy them in front of CNN cameras. The fact is he as much as agreed to do so, has the ability to do so, yet has refused to do so.

I never said we have no chioce.

We absolutely have the choice to not enforce that which the UN mandated 12 years ago and Hussein agreed to yet has not complied with.

We could choose not to take part in this. However that choice is unacceptible and totally irresponsible.

By chosing to opt-out we would be chosing to allow Hussein to develop, deploy, and distribute NBC weapons. Does this sound like a good idea?
It is by no means the lesser of the two evils.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by Damn True
I never said we have no chioce.
I know, that's why I said think carefully BEFORE using it. It was where your argument was leading. I like the one in your response much better.

BS, however, went straight for it. heh heh.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by BurlySurly

Oh, i dont think the Washington=3rd Reich Argument is even worth my time.
You're absolutely right. Spending hours on a Mountain Biking message board arguing politics with people you don't know is DEFINITELY worth your time. But taking a few minutes to question your government... probably not worth your time.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by ohio
You're absolutely right. Spending hours on a Mountain Biking message board arguing politics with people you don't know is DEFINITELY worth your time. But taking a few minutes to question your government... probably not worth your time.
Sweet jesus. where did that come from?

I disagree with, and question many things our government does. I questioned on this iraq topic and came to my current conclusion. Dont pretend to know me just because we argue.

If you really want me to argue about the similarties between Nazi Germany and the US today, i suppose i could, but im sure it would lead no where. What possible conclusion could we reach?

Either (a) the US and 3rd Reich are similar.......great, now what?

(b) the US and 3rd Reich are not similar......great, fluffs article was dumb

or most likely (c) We argue on and on until we eventually quit responding until the thread is no longer visible and is forgotten.

Why bother?
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Originally posted by ohio
You're absolutely right. Spending hours on a Mountain Biking message board arguing politics with people you don't know is DEFINITELY worth your time. But taking a few minutes to question your government... probably not worth your time.

:p :p :p :p :D