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The Hope HB211 Bike

TrumbullHucker

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Aug 29, 2005
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We spoke to Hope's Alan Weatherill to find out a bit more about this ambitious project.

Vital: We’ve seen some bike projects from you in the past, but this one seems more real? Is the company looking at this one a bit more seriously than previous projects?
AW: We’ve had the interest in producing a bike for many years. It’s been one of Ian and Simon’s dreams. It’s frustrating when you show a non-bike person around the factory their first question is “Do you make bikes?” So now we can say “yes.”

Vital: After all the design iterations, what made you finally settle on a 160-mm, Horst-link bike?
AW: We like the braking characteristics that comes from the Horst-link and if done well it’s hard to beat in simple performance. Also the rear swing arm design fits in with our manufacturing processes.

Vital: Tell us about the first prototypes of the new bike – where there any surprises? Was it straightforward to ramp up your carbon manufacturing skills from seatposts and handlebars to a full frame?
AW: Other than the rigid kids bike we made many years ago, we’ve never actually produced any of our previous designs. Once this frame was drawn up and the design agreed upon, we went ahead and machined a mold. Most companies would probably make several aluminium “mules” before committing to the first mold, but it was easier for us to just machine one. We’ve been working on the frame alongside our other carbon projects and had input from several UK carbon specialists.

Vital: What has been the feedback from the riders?
AW: All excellent. Everyone’s amazed at how the bike climbs without bobbing and yet is so active on the descents. We’ve managed to get the geometry spot-on with this first prototype.

Vital: You went for the “no-standards” approach. Do you feel that you solved real problems with this approach, or was it more of a “because-we-can” situation? Anything quantifiable, like the advantages of the dishless wheel build or the space around the BB?
AW: We’ve seen so many standards introduced that aren’t an advancement in performance, but are instead to help with manufacturing or assembly. The industry seems to be moving more and more to proprietary systems. With this in mind, and since we were making the frame as well as the components we decided to produce a frame that worked in conjunction with the components, rather than a compromise.

Vital: What are the key geo numbers you went for? HA, SA, reach, chainstay length, wheelbase?
AW: We’re not going into figures at the moment as the design is still a little fluid, just call it “contemporary.”

Vital: What's the deal with the BB?
AW: The BB is based on the pressfit solution we already make. It’s a sleeve that slides into the frame and screws together to hold in place. It also keeps the bearings inside the frame to give maximum support, but still fits a standard 73mm crank.

Vital: Is there any significance to the HB211 name?
AW: HB211 is a reference back to our heritage at Rolls Royce and our town, Barnoldswick. The RB211 Jet engine was the engine that turned Rolls Royce into a global leader in the aero-engine industry. The RB stood for “Rolls Barnoldswick” as the engine was developed here, so we’ve followed suit with the “Hope Barnoldswick - HB” moniker.

Vital: What would need to happen for the bike to become commercially available? Any desire to make it so?AW: I can see it eventually reaching production, but the exact product and distribution model has yet to be decided."



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dump

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Some pretty interesting things going on with that bike... moreso that anything else I've seen in a long time.
 

4130biker

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The chain stays are cool looking- I wonder what the design intent behind it is? Presumably to manipulate the stiffness in some way? Or do you think it's cus they like to machine shit?
 

mykel

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Trek says we need boost 148 for everything to fit.
Hope says naw, we know what we are doing, we can do it with 130mm. - non dish equal tension wheel included.
 

Wuffles

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Feb 24, 2016
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Holy crap, it's a giant pile of new standards that.... make sense?

Slim rear end, no dish wheels? That's pretty pimpin.

Proper center mounted brakes? Also a good idea.

May have to look into this if it turns out to be rideable.
 

rollertoaster

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Aug 7, 2007
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I like the approach they took. Some of the things we accept as normal for the bike industry are just bad ideas, or maybe just half assed attempts at selling more product. This ground up approach is definitely refreshing. I hope it's more than just an exercise is engineering.
 

dump

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Oct 12, 2001
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Trek says we need boost 148 for everything to fit.
Hope says naw, we know what we are doing, we can do it with 130mm. - non dish equal tension wheel included.
I'd actually love to see that wheel... hard to get a sense for it in the photos.
 

4130biker

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I'd actually love to see that wheel... hard to get a sense for it in the photos.
Only thing I can think is that the spoke flange is fricken close to the rotor mount. I would like to see more, as well.
 

Lelandjt

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Apr 4, 2008
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Cannondale sold their tooling and design to a Utah company that had a 3 letter name, like ATC or something. For a while (maybe still) you could buy what was basically a Cannondale version 2.
 

Sandwich

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May 23, 2002
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I like this a lot, and I'm happy with the new measures, as long as they use words like "proprietary" instead of "standard". Because at this point, that's what it is. If it works, I'm all for it. A dishless wheel with a narrower width is a great idea. Offsetting rear ends is a great idea. I'm not sold on the brake mount, because it looks like it's hanging out there in space, but if it works and makes sense as a package, fine!
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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One of the worst ideas any bike company ever had. But they did sell some didn't they? Anyone ever rode one?
yes and no. everyone that rode one said it was one of the best motos they had ever ridden. unfortunately the R&D costs where what eventually caused c'dale to go bankrupt.

definitely a few board members here (possibly no longer active) that rode them, and i think there was even 1 or 2 that owned one (employee's of c'dale prior to the implosion).
 

troy

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Dec 3, 2008
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yes and no. everyone that rode one said it was one of the best motos they had ever ridden. unfortunately the R&D costs where what eventually caused c'dale to go bankrupt.

definitely a few board members here (possibly no longer active) that rode them, and i think there was even 1 or 2 that owned one (employee's of c'dale prior to the implosion).
http://www.pulpmx.com/stories/look-back-old-moto-mags/gps-classic-steel/gps-classic-steel-50-2001-cannondale-mx400
 

Bikael Molton

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Jun 9, 2003
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^ cool link!

My sense is that C'dale saw an opportunity and actually tried to push MX forward at a time when the stodgy Japanese still dominated.

This may seem weird in 2016 now that KTM has taken over, or is that just proof that C'dale was on a good track, perhaps derailed by lack of funds or dealer network or implementation specifics?
 

jonKranked

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C'dale was on a good track, perhaps derailed by lack of funds or dealer network or implementation specifics?
largely QA issues, but everything required a lot of precision, so when you tweaked one thing, you'd need to tweak like 3 other things. basically stuck in development hell.
 

wood booger

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