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this is what's wrong with the industry.

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by jonKranked, Aug 4, 2014.

  1. jonKranked

    jonKranked Press Button, Receive Stupid

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    da fuq drugs you on? sure, tapered steerers has been largely settled for a few years now. z44/56 is the most common, but there's still plenty of others in use.

    threaded bb? HA. there were a few holdouts, and a couple are going back, but everything is still by far KILL LIST

    hub spacing? calm before the storm. :tinfoil:

    metric sizing on shocks was at least a concerted effort with enough suspension companies and frame makers on board that it wasn't a totally half assed idea. i'd rate it three quarter assed.
     

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    I'm sure metric pedal threads and larger diameter (Boost?) derailleur mounting bolts are just around the corner.
     
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    lol I should have said *hopefully* settling down on those standards...
     
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    The bike industry is what's wrong with the bike industry.
     
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    You would? What's holding you back? Being part of bike industry? :P
     
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    I was thinking; they haven't re-invented saddle rails since the i-beam. Might be nice to change that up. Means new saddle, new seatpost, and an opportunity to introduce a few new seatpost sizes, which means new frames all around!
     
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    is ibeam still around?

    still a little surprised pivotal never took off in mtb. i'm guessing the lack of fore/aft adjustment is probably a big non-starter
     
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    rockofullr confused

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    They lost me at then end.

    How do you not like stiffer bikes?

    The reasoning is about as dumb as possible

     
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    Toshi Harbinger of Doom

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    I bet they're trying to draw a parallel with MotoGP bikes, which indeed got slower when they were made too laterally stiff. Then again, their loads and especially their cornering angles are nothing like those in mountain bike land.
     
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    I don't know, it's a pretty good comparison to draw. My legs are definitely capable of 200+ hp and I've been riding a bunch of new bike trails which are identical to smooth pavement. I also accelerate from 0-160mph in a small handful of seconds.


    Yeah if the guy who wrote that can't appreciate the utter facking awesomeness of how stiff current carbon bikes are when sliding sideways, he should probably keep his trap shut (plus because english teeth).
     
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    probably only slides sideways when he has an off. gutted.
     
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    singletrack is a joke. All their reviews and articles come across like they were written by a 59 year old scrawny dude with a rasta/road-team jersey who likes fat bikes.
     
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    Aside from the usual English language quirkyness:

    http://singletrackworld.com/2017/11/review-rose-root-miller-3/

    Three Things That Could Be Improved
    1. The Root Miller is gagging for a stiffer fork than the Fox 34 forks
    Every time I read this kind of nonsense I think of this:

     
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    where da threaded headsets at? can a Bros. chime in?
     
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    F*ckin clickbait crap.


    Personally I'm holding out for Boost Metric Overdrive Pressfit water bottle cage mounts.
     
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    With the new triangle shaped torx bolt heads.
     
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    The biggest problem with the bike industry is the keeping up with the Joneses mentality of most riders. Riders fuel constant changes because most will buy anything new for better or worse. No wonder the bike industry acts the way they do. I think most industries would capitalize on buyers that are willing to spend big just to have the latest stuff even if it's a step sideways, or even backwards.
     
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    Soooo.... do they want flexy bikes or do they want stiff bikes?

     
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    Business on the front, party on the back!
     
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    Ride a hardtail if you want a stiff bike and ride a full suspension if you want a little flex. Solved.....
     
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    Easy on the 59 year old shit. It's not their fault they're still young and inexperienceed
     
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    Ahah. Bingo. And other stuff. The problem with the bike industry is the customers.

    They have money and want to spend it on cool stuff. If you don't have cool stuff, invent a new standard.
     
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    They must really hate me then.
    All 6 of my bikes are 26", although I do have a 27.5 on the front of one of them. :busted:

    I decided to wait until things settled down regarding wheel size, geometry etc, :rofl: but the way the lizards are, it may be a few more years until I replace the trail bike and dh bike.:think: However when I do it is going to be :eek:expensive, no just buying a frame, going to need full bikes.:banghead:
     
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    you are our outlier. haha
     
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    For e-bikes, I blame the boomers and their insatiable hunger for entertainment at the expense of others.
     
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    Can IMBA sink any deeper?
     
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    shhhh they'll take that as a challenge
     
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    Speaking of age, i wonder what the average age of an e-bike purchaser is. Can't imagine it's 20s or 30s.
     
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    I'm thinking there are 2 main groups:
    - People in their 40s still riding hard and having the strength as well as the technical ability to ride a 50lbs bike fast (like in the good old days of DH bike with Gazza 3.0);
    - People in their 50s-60s not riding that hard anymore and who needs a little help to keep up with the younger folks;

    A good friend of mine is in the first group. Super fit guy with great riding skills that is really fast without a motor. He owns multiple bikes, but the eBike is his favorite and he rides it several times per week.
    Good kill list candidate, but he unfortunately doesn't give a fuck about people getting anal bleeding because of eBikes.
    :p :butcher:
     
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    definitely kill list material. you should put a magnet on his strava computer.
     
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    He doesn't have a GPS or computer on his bike and he doesn't do Strava. Actually, he is not registered on any social media platform. He also doesn't ride in crowded trail centers. His eBike rides are on weekdays when there's nobody in the trails and he rides DH in the weekends.
     
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    to me that says he wants to hide his shame.
     
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    Imba's shooting us in the foot. We're trying to get access to Wilderness areas and the biggest hold back is a phrase that states something along the lines of only "non mechanized" means of transportation are allowed- thus, no bicycles.

    A reason why they're having trouble getting this changed is because of the wording. They want it open to bicycles but not motorbikes (according to imba).

    IMBA now puts e-bikes in the same category as those of us that "earn our turns" unassisted that would over complicate this whole process, leaving us with a bigger battle with limited resources.

    I was part of imba for 7 years until we needed help in our area. The county wanted to timber part of our county park. Imba sent me a one page attachment with the basic "who, what, where, where, why and how" questions that we had answers to the first day. 60 of us showed up at the county meeting and stopped any further damage from being done. They already f'd up 1/5th of the park at that point, but we stopped them from doing the whole park.

    The local imba rep didn't even come to this meeting, but riders did from 2hrs north and south of the park. I was told that since I was an imba member that I could be the imba representative. Wtf? Fuck you! I was done at that point.
     
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    IMBA is only interested in IMBA, they're in the pockets of the bike industry lizards, i washed my hands of them a while ago.

    part of the challenge right now is that the regulations for ORV's etc were written prior to the existence of e-bikes. updates as a result of their existence are still a ways off. i suspect once they have been written in as a group (which will likely be an overlap of non motorized and motorized) it will be easier to manage them. I suspect their will also be use exemptions (such as for the elderly or physically disabled).
     
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    IMBA is the equivalent to the NRA. They care more about selling product than anything else.
     
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    that's pretty much the conclusion i've reached.