This school district is fvcked...
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and they should Get Fvcked for it too!!
and since when does the school have a say as to how a child behaves at home ?
and since when does the school have a say as to how a child behaves at home ?
Meanwhile, in the less "well heeled" areas of Filthydelphia:
Flash mob punks turn snowball fight into violent riot in Philadelphia Macy's
In regards to the webcam issue, most schools can't control what's going on inside the school, probably shouldn't be spying on em at home.
There is a constitutional issue here, but that will stir a whole 'nother pot, I'm sure.
Flash mob punks turn snowball fight into violent riot in Philadelphia Macy's
In regards to the webcam issue, most schools can't control what's going on inside the school, probably shouldn't be spying on em at home.
There is a constitutional issue here, but that will stir a whole 'nother pot, I'm sure.
check out some of the comments from the article i posted... someone made a good point about the potential for this to create child pornography of the students by the district
Uhhhhh... Ok, who wants to bet that the student himself took pics of him smoking pot with the webcam and had them saved somewhere on his HD? Then in an effort to make him seem less retarded, he claims that the webcam "turned itself on"... I'm calling bullsh!t on this story, at least until more info comes out. Being able to turn on the camera remotely brings up all sorts of privacy and CP issues. Being able to browse through whatever files the students have on their computer is bad, but fully within the school's rights. (I remember that they claimed ownership of lockers when I was in HS, so they wouldn't need a search warrant to open your locker)
Paging RenegadeRick!!!!!!
Where is that boy and his paranoid/big brother is watching delusion when we need him?
Where is that boy and his paranoid/big brother is watching delusion when we need him?
dante, here's the filing:
http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf
and yes, remote activation of webcams has been possible for quite some time.
even in the event that the scenario you proposed is true (that it was a photo belonging to the student stored on the school owned laptop), the district is STILL in trouble for taking disciplinary actions beyond their jurisdiction
http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf
and yes, remote activation of webcams has been possible for quite some time.
even in the event that the scenario you proposed is true (that it was a photo belonging to the student stored on the school owned laptop), the district is STILL in trouble for taking disciplinary actions beyond their jurisdiction
Students don't have privacy rights. Parents are so worried about little Sally getting high that they acquiesced to that a long time ago. Hence the locker searches and such.
I'm with dante at this point...I bet he's 100% right.
Also, isn't any computer that is equipped with a remote administrator capability able to do this? Of course it is...I can take control of a person's computer and webcam using a program like Acrobat Connect Now as well.
I'm with dante at this point...I bet he's 100% right.
Also, isn't any computer that is equipped with a remote administrator capability able to do this? Of course it is...I can take control of a person's computer and webcam using a program like Acrobat Connect Now as well.
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Then why can't you make loco quit posting?
oh yes, school district officials have great judgement
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/19/scotus.strip.search/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/11/us/11foodfight.html
in the food fight case, yea, i can see suspension and other disciplinary action (even expulsion), but having them arrested and criminal charges?
and to reiterate: even if the remote webcam thing is a hoax, the school district is STILL in trouble for taking disciplinary action against a student where they had no jurisdiction
Also, doing a google maps search of the parent's address shows quite clearly that these are likely the same group of asshats who would be screaming about property taxes and such if school districts in a bad (black) part of Philly were giving the kids laptops. And they'd be demanding that a photo taken with a school owned webcam of a young buck buying a T-bone with foodstamps be monitored by the administration at all times.
Just saying...
Just saying...
take the tinfoil off and take a deep breath
I don't know if I buy this. The technical staff in most schools couldn't wipe their ass with a mouse pad.
Not so sure you can argue jurisdiction here. If you signed an agreement when you took the laptop and agreed to abide by usage and monitoring rules and if the laptop is school property, it could very well be considered an extension of their jurisdiction. Much like my government computer, I can't surf certain sites or do certain things with it regardless of where I am.
But there certainly is a privacy issue, I would suspect. Hmmm, wow, this is a fuzzy line...
this was a rich public school, so its not like most schools.
the student was disciplined for "improper behavior in his home" (or so it has been claimed), not a violation of whatever agreement there was for the use of the laptop. Depends on what "improper behavior" consists of here; which I haven't been able to dig up yet.
http://www.opensecrets.org/address/summary.php?zip=19072&Submit=Go!
Rich white Democratic Party assholes. 15 times as much as the average zip code. Like I said, if it was black kids in Philly...yeah, they'd be all for monitoring via remote webcams 24/7.
Ahh. Yep, I missed that point by a pretty far margin.
granted, "improper behavior" may include using the laptop for things like, oh, browsing porn, which I'm pretty sure would be against school policy. But then again, maybe not. This story needs some more details.Ahh. Yep, I missed that point by a pretty far margin.
You know I'm right
different discussion, start another thread. I'll gladly discuss with you there. this is about one particular case.You know I'm right
Have you ever posted here before, or is this your first day?
Uh huh, and this 17yo might be about to become intimately aware of the "false statements" aspect of US law. I'm still calling total BS on the part about the district "turning on the webcam to spy on students"... A lawsuit means nothing, a finding for the parents/student based on discovery of remote-control-actions of the school would mean a whole lot more.
Schools have been restricting students actions off-school-property for years, although it's still a murky issue with US courts.
This is a story about how a court upheld a teens right to criticize a teacher/principal outside of school, but this ruling shows that schools can test for drug use even if it's not done on school property (as long as the student participates in extra curricular activity).
What's pathetic is that all of the "Constitutionalist" teabagger conservatives are all for trampling on your constitutional right if there's reason for a crime to have been committed (drug use, terrorism, blah blah blah).
hay guise i'm an oldf@g - i've been here all summer.Have you ever posted here before, or is this your first day?
seriously though, if you wanna introduce economic factors - like welfare and foodstamps which you mentioned - you're talking about something completely different
Have you ever posted here before, or is this your first day?
Who are you and what have you done with jonkranked?
in regards to the drug use one, that's understandable because its an illegal activity. It's not like they're just randomly spying on students for any kind of illegal activity, its a specific test for a specific kind of illegal activity. Which, yea, is considered reasonable. My understanding of that ruling is that it mostly applies to student athletes, which would make sense (to test for things like PED's)
True, some schools have seemed to really kick themselves in the a** . But this situation here where everybody knows how fine the line is especially with child porn could really have a huge impact on the entire school not only the faculty member who could be at fault. Yes, It's one thing where a teacher has sex with a student, that's a lone act for that teacher, but to have multiple laptops equipped with this technology where any teacher at anytime could just spy on a student seems crazy.
But saying this, I have to admit I'm not really tech savy, so Im sure there is a way to manipulate the system.
Unfortunately, it's been expanded to cover ANYTHING, including band / 4H / etc.
And whatever the student did hasn't come out yet, but my guess is smoking pot. What else could he be disciplined for that wouldn't be illegal?
looking at pr0n on a school machine and fapping to it? waterboarding a kitten? sodomy?
but yes i agree, there's a few crucial missing pieces of info here.
C'mon. You really buy that if you are given a 'puter with a remote cam, the people who issued it can spy on you at home?
Having spent plenty of time hidden away in the machine room, I know some crazy ideas get hatched, but people are going to lose their jobs, at the least.
Honestly, this seems as fishy as the "backwards B" etched in that dumb girl's forehead...
edit: On the other hand, if they *were* spying on students, the rest of the faculty is gonna be PISSED that they're not able to watch the HS girls changing anymore...
edit: On the other hand, if they *were* spying on students, the rest of the faculty is gonna be PISSED that they're not able to watch the HS girls changing anymore...
We don't actually know that happened. That's what the student says. What a high school student claims and reality often don't match up.
There's probably a file on his desktop called massivebongrip.avi that got picked up by an automated search. I find that totally creepy and massively unethical, but it's probably not legally out of bounds. Students effectively have no 4th amendment rights at school, and if there are drugs involved don't look for the Supreme Court to restrict it just because the activity didn't happen on school property.
Bong Hits 4 Jesus, y'know?
Well, not that there hasn't been crazy parents before (I had to kick a kid off my team for not showing up and too many excuses, and his parents tried to petition the principal to reinstate him, which me and entire coaching staff would have resigned on the spot if it actually happened).
But to go through the trouble of a federal filing by the parents? Seems somewhat substantial...
This could affect little Timmy's college applications. There's no price too high to pay to fix that.
This got me thinking too... Despite America's penchance for litigation, I don't think anyone who practices law would have taken this on without sound evidence. I suspect there may be an ace in the hole...
Maybe one of the lawyers or one of our e-lawyers can tell me more about Lamm Rubenstone, the filers.