No. you draw some blood. Put it on chill. rest/recover/train until your system makes more blood to replace what you took out. Then reinject the whole schmere right before the big race. This was in vogue back in the day. I haven't heard anyone talk about this kind of doping since the late 90's... Bummer.Heidi said:Hmmm, so you take out blood and then just put back in the red blood cells? I am not scientifically mature enough to understand these damn doping things.
Seems suspect to me though.
Don't you have too much blood in your body then?mattv2099 said:No. you draw some blood. Put it on chill. rest/recover/train until your system makes more blood to replace what you took out. Then reinject the whole schmere right before the big race. This was in vogue back in the day. I haven't heard anyone talk about this kind of doping since the late 90's... Bummer.
Does the same thing as EPO, increases your hemocrit levels. Very dangerous if it gets too high, but if your level is naturaly low it is a good way to cheat and get yourself to the UCI acceptable level of 50 which is safe. It probably takes a lot of testing and Dr type management to do it safely.Heidi said:Don't you have too much blood in your body then?
nope. When bike racers peak they have more blood in their system than when they are doing base endurance work. Your vascular system isn't static like metal pipes. It can contract and expand a bunch.Heidi said:Don't you have too much blood in your body then?
I think that is the best idea. I like the whole, innocent-until-proven-guilty thing.oldfart said:but I will wait for it to shake out before I judge.
I think that I am also maybe reading into it too much and have my own grand conspiracy. Blood doping is an illegal medical activity. Given that it is illegal, it is likely not being done in hospitals. Also, the athlete's would likely not be carrying around containers if their blood with their names printed on them. It seems like many doping busts come as the result of someone elses mistake- like the Festina soigneur leaving stuff in his trunk. It is not that much of a stretch to imagine that Tyler (if he is guilty) was injected with the wrong blood.Pegboy said:Ok, I got a question. I'm not a Armstrong basher, on the contrary I respect his drive and accomplishments BUT...Hamilton is suspected of receiving homologus blood(blood from someone else), but they clearly state that there is no way of detecting autologus blood(your own blood previously stored). They also say that the advantage of a homologus transfusion is that you do not suffer the side effects of having your own blood drawn in the previous weeks (which would effect competitions prior to a big event). So I have to wonder, would this be a reason for Armstrong not to compete in many events other than the TDF? It also seems that when he does he is sometimes beat by supposedly lesser riders, to which he expains it is only training for the big event. Am I reading into this too much?
Getting a blood transfusion is not illegal, and done all the time, but blood doping is illegal for many(all?) sports.Hawkeye said:I would think that putting someone else blood in your body could be very dangerous. I thought the IOC and others had limits as to how much red cells you could have in a given amount of blood. And that is how they caught you doping?
I don't think this is actually an illegal practice because people get similar things done at blood clinics and hospitals all the time just not for sporting purposes.
I think this has crossed most people's minds before. All that dedication and attention to detail he's so famous for. I have to say that his words of encouragement to David Millar after he got caught sounded to me like "if you'd have come to us i'd have shown you how to do it properly and not get caught or risk your life". However, maybe he just uses legal methods like the high altitude bed thing.Pegboy said:Ok, I got a question. I'm not a Armstrong basher, on the contrary I respect his drive and accomplishments BUT...Hamilton is suspected of receiving homologus blood(blood from someone else), but they clearly state that there is no way of detecting autologus blood(your own blood previously stored). They also say that the advantage of a homologus transfusion is that you do not suffer the side effects of having your own blood drawn in the previous weeks (which would effect competitions prior to a big event). So I have to wonder, would this be a reason for Armstrong not to compete in many events other than the TDF? It also seems that when he does he is sometimes beat by supposedly lesser riders, to which he expains it is only training for the big event. Am I reading into this too much?
DBR X6 RIDER said:Something else that I just thought about is the fact that he's always crashing, etc. Perhaps at some point, he lost enough blood to where he was given someone else's blood to replace what he lost.
Yeah, I know...that's kind of a grasp, but I don't feel it's beyond the unthinkable with his reputation for carnage.
I'll wait for the B-sample results before I REALLY draw any conclusions, but it sure isn't looking good right now.
and what about Santiago Perez (Phonak)'s recent superhuman performances. There's a report about more positive's in the Vuelta but they're waiting to check the substances against medical exemptions - wouldn't be surprised if it included perez and valverde (Kelme).loco-gringo said:
Repack said:I think that I am also maybe reading into it too much and have my own grand conspiracy. Blood doping is an illegal medical activity. Given that it is illegal, it is likely not being done in hospitals. Also, the athlete's would likely not be carrying around containers if their blood with their names printed on them. It seems like many doping busts come as the result of someone elses mistake- like the Festina soigneur leaving stuff in his trunk. It is not that much of a stretch to imagine that Tyler (if he is guilty) was injected with the wrong blood.
Also, I believe that despite the fact that your vascular system is elastic, you cannot simply stuff more blood in. A friend of mine lost 1L of blood in a crash. I asked a neighbor/ER doctor how they determine how much you lost, and he said that they hook you up to an IV and let the blood drip in until your body can't take any more. I think that for blood doping they only put the red cells back in. I may be wrong b/c I am lazy and did not read all the attached articles.
But, just posted, Tyler will keep his gold. But the Vuelta thing is still pending I think.