I may be reading it wrong but it says a maximum of 10 riders.
UCI rule changes for 2007
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hi yo
just wanted to point out that you dont have to pay for the comissaires salary or expenses the uci pays for his or her ticket and salary, you only have to get them b&b level accomodations (as per the uci rule book).
i have also looked at the trade team route and its very complicated, requires insurance, proof of contracts with sponsor, etc etc, could possibly be cooked up i guess, but its a lot of hassle.
thats handily translated into USD for you yanks by yours truly.
im also thinking if a race already has some cash payout, then paying around 600usd for uci status cant be that bad as a business proposition...
so how much $$$ would it take to do a c1?
I was riding to class today and I found 150 uci points just blowing around on the street, 133 points will go on e-bay auction tomoro, probably around 8AM.
Is this rule across the board for all disciplines?
In the past if you were MTX only you didn't need points-
where would there be enough races in the U.S. to
aquire points before the first WC?
In the past if you were MTX only you didn't need points-
where would there be enough races in the U.S. to
aquire points before the first WC?
Ummm if this is the case they do a pretty terrible job enforcing this rule. For example:
MS- Intense Factory Racing Team - Stock FOX jersey with heat transfer logos
Team MBUK SantaCruz - Stock Fox jersey with heat transfer logos
I believe that there are a few other registered trade teams that do the same thing.
i would run 6 autions for 20 points and one for the 13 left overs.
trying to give you a heads up mike.
Vitox, while i do applaud your efforts to get the sanctioning, the point i was trying to make that even for a C1 event you would have to place in the top 5. And here in the US the top 5 would almost always be riders already with 20 points plus or it would consist of a number of foreign riders based here for the season becaose of sponsorship obligations.
So you can see why going to the effort here here seems almost pointless....but if the changed the rule to like 1 point....like it was then it would make much more sense to organise UCI events as more people would benefit.
I have the feeling that this is what will happen or at least some compromise.
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/4mou-E.pdf
On page 35-43 you will see rules regarding trade teams....Not a task easilly accomplished...especially since you get little benefits back in return
So you can see why going to the effort here here seems almost pointless....but if the changed the rule to like 1 point....like it was then it would make much more sense to organise UCI events as more people would benefit.
I have the feeling that this is what will happen or at least some compromise.
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/4mou-E.pdf
On page 35-43 you will see rules regarding trade teams....Not a task easilly accomplished...especially since you get little benefits back in return
Not all teams on the circuit are trade teams.
2006 list http://www.uci.ch/ucinet/uci.asp?page=Teams&discipline=mtb&continent=mtb&teamscategory=mtb&teamstype=mtb&ryear=2006&l=ENG
I understand that. The two that I used as examples are in fact registered trade teams. I believe that there are also a few more registered teams that use stock jerseys.
In fact after looking at the rules I am not even sure that you are not allowed to use a stock jersey just so long as you register that jersey with the UCI by February of that year.
class 1 (60 points for the win and pays 20 deep) means:
1100chf/905usd for calendar fee (this means comissaire on your door, whose accomodation you have to provide for)
3550chf/2923usd prize money for elite men (1000chf for the win, down to 100chf for 8th place)
2400chf/1976usd prize money for elite women (800chf for the win, 100chf for 8th place)
@dondon
i can see your point, youre absolutely right, but my line of thought was that its really not that expensive and with a little effort, many very local races could potentially get points, with a few class1 and a good bunch of class2 on the calendar i think lots of racers would be able to get the 20 points required.
anyway it looks like its a moot point and im pretty sure they will backtrack on the 20point figure. 5 or 10 would be a good idea i think.
? 6k seems a lot. its going to be hard for american to come up
with 6k for a C1.
what i was thinking would be a central race for uci points earlly season. charge like $150 entry you would only need 40 riders
to show to get the 6k. i wonder if you could have ONLY riders
who have no points to be able to enter. maybe split the prize
money over like 80 places even. so them people are only racing for points. UCI might no allow that .
irate2:'s
The prize money is included in that 6k figure.? 6k seems a lot. its going to be hard for american to come up
with 6k for a C1.
what i was thinking would be a central race for uci points earlly season. charge like $150 entry you would only need 40 riders
to show to get the 6k. i wonder if you could have ONLY riders
who have no points to be able to enter. maybe split the prize
money over like 80 places even. so them people are only racing for points. UCI might no allow that .
I'm pretty sure when cycle cyndicate did the Chile Challenge in 2005, the one that offered points, they asked the riders to volluntarily give the prize money back so they would be able to afford to do more events at the UCI status, no one gave any of the money back, so that didn't work.
Yeah, I never knew the whole story, all I know is what i've heard through others, It would of been cool if everyone else did the same you did, it could of become a yearly deal.
So, word on the street is this is just a leak, and the official release date isn't until February some time, so it might still change. Apparently there is a lot of opposition 
and petitions are flying. Based on what I've heard, don't hold your breath, but don't count your chickens either.
and petitions are flying. Based on what I've heard, don't hold your breath, but don't count your chickens either. 
I'm sure they could. Those Diablo guys do a bang up job, but I'm afraid they might be too cool to sell out to the man and deal with the UCI.
Well here we go,
UCI have released the updated MountainBike rules as of:
MOUNTAIN BIKE RACES
(version on 20.12.06)
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/4mou-E.pdf
No mention whatsoever of requirements for WorldCup racing. So are they waiting until after some uber secret board meeting with the Pope and Chuck Norris and John Tomac to decide?
UCI have released the updated MountainBike rules as of:
MOUNTAIN BIKE RACES
(version on 20.12.06)
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/4mou-E.pdf
No mention whatsoever of requirements for WorldCup racing. So are they waiting until after some uber secret board meeting with the Pope and Chuck Norris and John Tomac to decide?
The WC requirements aren't usually added until late Feb. Well, that is the way it has been the last 3-4 years anyways.
muhahhhaahaaha...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the 20 point uci rule has been made official today. Its a bad day for a lot of riders.
source please? Link?
thanks, i am still awaiting confirmation from the UCI on this exact issue.
its ridiculous for us in the UK as well as yourselves.
Im sure we currently only have two races this season that carry points.
I have just had to tell a rider who we were sorting a deal out with that his 8 points are now not enough.
Im sure we currently only have two races this season that carry points.
I have just had to tell a rider who we were sorting a deal out with that his 8 points are now not enough.
In Canada we have 5 events that give UCI points, but only 10 deep, and most of the events are after the local World Cups. So indeed, quite pointless. Of course, you can always buy your way into the world cup. UCI trade teams are exempt from this rule - and all you need is the $$$ (about $1200usd), and an official jersey.
TBH that is what we did last year to give some fast riders WC experience, all of whom got points but only 2 of them will be able tocompete this season unless we stump up the 1000 euros again. And even then your federation have to rubber stamp your riders to the UCI.
Well, all the feds here have to do is confirm that you are a licensed rider, and a legit national. All riders are waived through, no issues.
I am waiting to hear back from Orange now, as they simply added my riders to the trade team last year due to an unrelated issue with jerseys in Canada.
I am waiting to hear back from Orange now, as they simply added my riders to the trade team last year due to an unrelated issue with jerseys in Canada.
hmm hadnt thought of that route, could be a possibility for this season for us due to the bikes we will be using.
The only way (besides placing in the top 5 in a C1event) it seems will be for riders to petition their governing body. It will almost bel ike worlds selection. USA cycling should see which top US riders dont qualify via the 20points rule. And then offer entry to those 6 riders based on current National ranking. However all this needs to be done ahead of time for world cup entries, and they will then need to race in NAtional kit. Quite frankly even though there is all this complaining, their weren't that many US riders that made the effort to race at Mont St Anne when it was open entry anyway.
email or pm me - i am waiting to hear back from michael.
Has this procedure been confirmed yet? As far as I was made aware last time I asked, the trade team would be the only route in besides 20 points. IE: no exceptions.
And I agree, not many americans at ste anne, but with angelfire in the US (apparently???) that could change...
Also for anyone intrested in trade team option, good luck getting it done in time: Less than a month. Also you will need contracts, insurance etc all meeting certain UCI requirements...
From Will Longdon
PLEASE NOTE: there will be no specific rainbow pass request form for the 2007
season. A rainbow pass (accreditation valid for all 2007 UCI MTB World Cup events)
will automatically be produced for each staff member mentioned in the registration
form on condition that you provide us with her/his licence and her/his photo (cf point
2. Collect all other requested documents as follows:
o Letter of approval from the national federation of the country of which the paying agent
has the nationality (art. 4.10.007)
o Colour graphic design of the team jersey (art. 4.10.017). File format: .eps and .jpg.
Resolution: 200-300 pixels.
o Copy of each rider contract (art. 4.10.021, strictly confidential document)
o Licence copy of each rider and each staff member
o Photo of each staff member (rainbow passes). Format: .jpg or .gif or .bmp. Minimum
resolution: 103x103 pixels. How to name each photo : « SURNAME »_ « FUNCTION ».
3. Return SIMULTANEOUSLY the forms and all other documents mentioned above in
point 3 according to the details below:
RReettuurrnn nnoo llaatteerr tthhaann 1155 FFeebbrruuaarryy 22000077 ffoorr tthhee aatttteennttiioonn ooff SSaabbiinnee DDeebboonnss
11886600 AAiiggllee SSuuiissssee -- ffaaxx ++4411 2244 446688 5588 1122 oorr eemmaaiill :: ssaabbiinnee..ddeebboonnss@@uuccii..cchh
Non conforming files (incomplete forms or missing documents) will not be considered.
We thank you in advance for your understanding concerning the simultaneous return of the
different documents which will greatly make easier their handling and therefore your
registration.
4. Payment of the registration fee (art. 4.10.016).
Please note that the payment of the registration fee is not sufficient to register a team.
The file and the payment really go together. We will refund any team that would have paid the
registration fee without having submitted any file within the allotted time. On the other hand
we will refuse the registration of any team which would have submitted a complete file without
having paid the registration fee during the allotted time.
Payment information
Payment deadline : 15.02.2007
Amount non-EEC countries :
(including fight against doping tax) CHF 1'500
Amount EEC member countries :
(including fight against doping tax) 1'000
Way of payment : Electronic bank transfer
Imperative indication : Team name
From Will Longdon
PLEASE NOTE: there will be no specific rainbow pass request form for the 2007
season. A rainbow pass (accreditation valid for all 2007 UCI MTB World Cup events)
will automatically be produced for each staff member mentioned in the registration
form on condition that you provide us with her/his licence and her/his photo (cf point
2. Collect all other requested documents as follows:
o Letter of approval from the national federation of the country of which the paying agent
has the nationality (art. 4.10.007)
o Colour graphic design of the team jersey (art. 4.10.017). File format: .eps and .jpg.
Resolution: 200-300 pixels.
o Copy of each rider contract (art. 4.10.021, strictly confidential document)
o Licence copy of each rider and each staff member
o Photo of each staff member (rainbow passes). Format: .jpg or .gif or .bmp. Minimum
resolution: 103x103 pixels. How to name each photo : « SURNAME »_ « FUNCTION ».
3. Return SIMULTANEOUSLY the forms and all other documents mentioned above in
point 3 according to the details below:
RReettuurrnn nnoo llaatteerr tthhaann 1155 FFeebbrruuaarryy 22000077 ffoorr tthhee aatttteennttiioonn ooff SSaabbiinnee DDeebboonnss
11886600 AAiiggllee SSuuiissssee -- ffaaxx ++4411 2244 446688 5588 1122 oorr eemmaaiill :: ssaabbiinnee..ddeebboonnss@@uuccii..cchh
Non conforming files (incomplete forms or missing documents) will not be considered.
We thank you in advance for your understanding concerning the simultaneous return of the
different documents which will greatly make easier their handling and therefore your
registration.
4. Payment of the registration fee (art. 4.10.016).
Please note that the payment of the registration fee is not sufficient to register a team.
The file and the payment really go together. We will refund any team that would have paid the
registration fee without having submitted any file within the allotted time. On the other hand
we will refuse the registration of any team which would have submitted a complete file without
having paid the registration fee during the allotted time.
Payment information
Payment deadline : 15.02.2007
Amount non-EEC countries :
(including fight against doping tax) CHF 1'500
Amount EEC member countries :
(including fight against doping tax) 1'000
Way of payment : Electronic bank transfer
Imperative indication : Team name
Actually I thought the US turnout was decent at Ste Anne, there were just as many as us Canadians.
Going to be a lot less of both after this goes into effect...... too bad.
Well, it isn't super hard from the information they sent us last year. Any factory affiliated trade team will have the insurance automagically through their liability insurance. The cash and properly worded contracts will be a pain in the ass though with 2 weeks to go!
Sure, I can find minimum wage for 2 pro racers in 2 weeks, no problem! Don't be so cheap Fraser!