Are you trying to be funny or are you serious ?It can't be as stiff and the unsprung can't be lower?
What's the point?
Don't most upright forks look the same to a degree?Looks similar to a Curnutt fork. But I guess all inverted forks look similar to a degree.
nah, spokes come in different colours and lengths.Don't most upright forks look the same to a degree?
Same thing for derailleurs, handlebars, stems, shifters, saddles, seatposts, wheels, hubs, spokes, brakes, grips, rear shocks...
This is why I love Ridemonkey. You got the joke/sarcasm, and butthurt was avoided.nah, spokes come in different colours and lengths.
Obviously my point wasn't articulated as well as it could have been, well played.
It wasn't in south africa.So this is what Transcend saw already in South Africa? Any other guy on this fork also?
Deadly serious!Are you trying to be funny or are you serious ?
Says who? Just because you want to believe the hype doesn't mean I have to."...The old argument of inverted forks having less torsional flex needs to be thrown out the window as it is far less relevant than most believe. Keeping in mind that the fork is well into its travel when being ridden, which stiffens the inverted chassis up greatly, the cliche test of pinching the front wheel between your legs and twisting really has no bearing in real world applications. It is also interesting to note that many forms of motorized sport actually build in a degree of lateral flex to allow the wheel to follow the smoothest line through a section - especially when leaned over in a corner - which allows it to track better in the rough."
Agreed.From the Pinkbike article;
Says who? Just because you want to believe the hype doesn't mean I have to.
and you surely know better than the Fox engineers right ? Fox have rarely done silly things just for the sake of marketing and usually they seem to know what they're are doing.Agreed.
Apart from lubrication I can see no positives in mountain bike applications.
Just before this thread goes down in flames I want it on record that I think Fox roxks, and if they do a UD I'm sure it will be great... what winds me up is what appears to me to be mindlessly regurgitated blathering such as in the Pinkbike quote.and you surely know better than the Fox engineers right ? Fox have rarely done silly things just for the sake of marketing and usually they seem to know what they're are doing.
Beside,I doubt they would throw money out the window if , they already knew an inverted chassis had no chance to provide advantages in mountain bike applications.I may turn up to be a major failure in the end but wether or not it goes into production one day, I still find it very interesting to see them pushing the envelope here.
Fox have been using what is basically a Curnutt Valve in their shocks so it wouldn't be a huge stretch to imagine them at least trying it out in a fork? Then again that doesn't really have anything to do with how the fork looks, just an interesting possibilty.Looks similar to a Curnutt fork. But I guess all inverted forks look similar to a degree.
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I agree. I was also very suprised that from all the companies Fox was the one to go with the USD. I actually thought the new fork Fraser was speaking about would be a lower diameter normal fork as 40s were crazy stiff and what other companies offered was enough for most (if not all) the riders.You'd have to wonder why, if torsional stiffness isn't that big a deal to them, they originally built the 40 so big and stiff in the first place.
USD forks make sense on motocross bikes, where you have 100kg of bike (instead of 15-20) plus rider smashing through whoops and braking hard from 150km/h, and the greater bushing overlap really makes a difference. They are incidentally stiff enough torsionally, given that the only thing the front wheel can actually twist AGAINST is the rider's arms... which are going to be similar strength regardless of whether you're on a MX bike or a DH bike, because they're built so beefy (20-25lbs?) to resist the longitudinal forces. The same can't be said for DH forks, so I'm curious to know why, after finally nailing all the issues that the 40s had (shortish seal life, blowing bladders out of the original dampers, stanchion wear, lack of compression in stock guise), giving them a product that is the stiffest on the market, reasonably light, and super high performance, that they chose to invert the fork. Being Fox, I'd be very surprised if it sucked, so maybe they've got some tricky magic going on in there... but JCL is actually right, they really aren't going to lower the unsprung mass by any significant margin and there's just no way they can build it as stiff. Yes various branches of motorsport have introduced some degree of lateral flex into their chassis/suspension systems, but next time you get your DH bike leaned over past 45 degrees on flat ground at 200km/h with 4" of rock hard suspension, come and tell us how relevant that is.
Maybe thats why? I doubt fox sees 29ers as the future of DH, but I could see somebody wanting to pick up a few extra sales - long travel 29ers ARE becoming more popular, whether or not they become mainstream. I'm talking out of my ass here probably, since typically fox waits until something is VERY established before putting their foot in the water (180mm travel single crown?), but if they see a future in 29 inch wheels in a long travel application, it'll be less expensive for them to have 1 fork they can sell then 2.Hope they make a 29er version like the dorado
Hmmm do you mean the old ones? Cause I haven't heard one bad thing about the new ones and I have owned 3 now that have been awesome! Please present some evidence if you are going to bash Manitou. I have heard all these bad things over the years but, they have ran great for me.Dorado= suck. It has proven to suck.
But there's a difference between the inbuilt fork stanchion/crown compliance in a Boxxer and independent leg movement in a Dorado.Also, is anybody really complaining about stiffness in the current dorado? I remember hearing that rockshox specifically didn't go with the larger stantion diameter because they believed it cause the fork to be too stiff to track as well as it could and it was causing additional fatigue.
i think the talk in SA was he was possibly using a prototype stans no-tubes DH rim.i was wondering what rim he is using, i didnt even notice the forks.
I know shimano made XT rims or rebranded some to that, but anyone know about the Saint Rims ?
Fox wouldnt touch anything at the US openbut he wouldn't touch my DHX. Thanks fox!
Wow, seriously?having switched from a boxxer world cup to a dorado this season, i don't feel any difference.