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What trail bike tire casings don't suck?

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  1. slimshady

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    Something along these lines. Please excuse my drawing skills but it's 6:12 AM here and I've been up for two hours already thanks to some stupid database administrator.

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    These analyzing the unanalyzable topics are fascinating. Tires, brakes, and suspension as religious doctrine.
     
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    StiHacka Compensating for something

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    I see it more like this:
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    Makes sense. That's probably difficult to manufacture, as to keep the weight the same as current, the wall thickness would be around 1mm with a 1-2mm diameter hole in the middle. If it was made heavier than the current design, then it wouldn't be an improvement, as simply making the current design thicker is easy and works.
     
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    SkaredShtles I love NEWCASTLE and will ONLY drink NEWCASTLE!!!!

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    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    If they can extrude this piece of shit, they can to a parabola in the sidewall

    https://dycteyr72g97f.cloudfront.ne...011362/PHO_RDBR71DPN32S011362_WEB_SHO_001.jpg


    But yeah It would almost certainly be heavier. I think there's some weight to be pulled around the spoke holes too though. Hello 300 dollar aluminum rims.
     
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    Something like this?
     
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    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    Yeah @slimshady, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT???? HUH!!!!??????? :rofl:
     
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    slimshady Turbo Monkey

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    Something along those lines, but with less closed compartments. We all know they made the Titanic sink.
     
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    A large lump of frozen water?
     
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  11. StiHacka

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    Just put some knobbies on that thing!
     
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    wide rims and speed holes. problem solved.
     
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    Helicopter tape the sidewalls, and ready for mud!
     
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    Just bought a minion dhf DD 26x2.3. It's not far off from being a folding DH casing so I'm expecting great durability. I've never cared for any 120tpi casings, but this will be the first two ply 120 I've tried.
     
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    Where did you find them? I know Maxxis sells them direct but there must be a cheaper source. My google consistently fails to turn up anything.
     
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    Check Amazon. Both the DHF and DHR in 26x2.3 were in stock when I bought mine last week. I've found typing DD in your search rather than double down seems to bring up more returns. They are tough to track down.
     
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    Add the Michelin wild am tire to the do not buy list. 4 holes already /one was a giant sidewall cut that had to be sewn back together before patching. The tread blocks are still sharp. This tire still owes me money so it's not allowed to die yet.

    The worst part is I'm running it out front, no chance this would survive a ride as a rear tire
     
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    you got yourself into this situation.

    https://bike.michelin.com/en/products/michelin-wild-am
     
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    Well what did you expect from such a light tire? I think those weigh less than 800g in 27x2.35 size. Complaining about a casing that light is silly.
     
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    It apparently doesn't share the same casing as the Wild Rock'R2. That's probably the one you should try...
     
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    Yep, Advanced Reinforced is their toughest casing. You can get that casing in more than just the WR2. Wild Grip'r for example which weighs 1070g in 27x2.3.
     
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    Yep the Wild Rockr 2 is the only Mitchelin tyre I'd bother with.
    Beefy casing and grippy.
     
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    Recently rode some of Maxxis WT tires. Over all they felt good but they don't bite like my older non WT DHF and HR2 combo. The side nobs need to be taller.

    They should just call them WTFs, short for wtf are we doing.
     
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    Has anyone here tried the Terrene Chunk tires? I need a new rear tire and can grab one of those really cheap. Not finding too much about them on the intertubez.
     
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    Are the shoulder lugs really smaller or is it the profile of the tire that's causing a change in feel? I haven't tired WT, but to my knowledge the only difference is they are made to have a rounder profile on wide rims. Maybe you're feeling the increased lean angle before the shoulder lugs engage?
     
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    They are not smaller, the circumference of the casing is smaller so they don't stick out to the sides as much as they are closer to the center knobs. You need a wide rim to appreciate those tires, work fine on my 40mm Derby. :busted:
     
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    Wide trail seems to mean different things on different tires too. For example, the 2.5 Shorty (at least in 26") is officially WT, but has a totally normal profile on 25mm internal rims.
     
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    I have DHF 2.5 WTs on 30mm rims that I’m totally happy with; cornering feels the same as non-WT 2.5s on 25mm rims. I tried the 2.6s on some 40mm Ibis rims and hated them. I'm sure I could have played with the air pressure to get a better result, but overall the tires were just too big and bouncy to do any slicing/dicing; it was like putting Comp 32s on my trail bike.
     
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    what width rim?
     
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    Interesting points you guys are making.

    This was on a demo bike. I just sent an email to SC asking for the parts spec so I can get a better idea.

    They definitely had a rounder profile than what I'm used to seeing on my setup.
     
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    I figured that Michelin might survive as a front tire (to be used on less rocky terrain). Unfortunately my main bike is down so I've been riding the beater everywhere, so the tire isn't faring very well.

    I have a chunk in 27.5 x3.0, I know.....
    Nice rounded profile on a 45mm rim yuuuuge tread lugs and great traction in loose stuff. There are no ramps at all, expect slow rolling. Casing is pretty burly for a stupid mid fat tire for what it's worth
     
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    rockofullr confused

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    They were 2.5s on 30mm rims
     
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    Thanks! I was planning on modifying the central knobs, getting them ramped up in the leading edge. The though casing seems to be burly enough for my riding style in 2.3".

    How do the knobs hold against rocky terrain?
     
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    The Vee Flow Snap 2.3 with Enderpo casing seems OK as a rear tire for ishty winter conditions. 930g, big knobs, thick sidewalls, not as hard plasticky-feely as some of their other tires.
     
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    I'm running it as a front. Again it's a plus tire so the knobs are larger. I'd guess I have somewhere near 300 miles of mostly rocky terrain on it. It still looks new. Keep in mind plus tires seem to last significantly longer than normal sizes. On average I probably get 500 miles out of a rear tire vs 200max on a normal tire.
     
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    Wow!
    on a trail bike? or do you only ride lift assisted?
     
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    I do both, but this time of year lifts are done. I generally don't get a ton of life out of my tread. Rear tires start shedding side knobs pretty quickly for me.
     
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    Cause you can't actually ride hard on them :happydance:
     
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    you just have to pump them up past the " magic carpet ride" pressure. I run 18f 21r on 3.0s when I ride them. The chunk/dirt wizard combo is fairly resilient, but it's not anywhere near a double down or super gravity casing.
     
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    Does anyone ride hard on plus bikes? Clearly the bike industry doesn't think so or plus tires wouldn't be so light.
     
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