When will the USA finally learn to ban all guns haven't enough Innocent people lost there lives already.
When will america learn
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Whatever dude
Come back when you've hooked up enough neurons to form a thought process.
I Never said it hasn't happened in the UK, and it will most likely happen again. But in the last 5 years how many Innocent people have died in the US, because everyone and any one has access to a gun
So how many other multiple shooting incidents in the UK like Dunblane can you recall? And do you know what happened to gun laws in the UK following Dunblane?
I agree. America in general has a really shortsighted and childish viewpoint about guns. How many copycats will there be after this little massacre?
All these deaths because there are a few $$ to be made from idiots with half a brain and even less of a penis. Grow up. America used to be the definition of progressive. Now it can't seem to recognize a very simple thing that it could do to make this problem much less of a problem.
Banning guns won't solve this overnight, but this is not and never has been a 1/0 situation. Right now guns are essentially freely available. If they were banned, slowly they would become harder and harder to get. Black market prices would go up and up. More importantly, ammunition would become hard to come by. Guns are pretty useless without ammo. Soon only the most hardcore criminals could afford to use guns. Police would respond to shots fired with overwhelming force.
And one day, you would not have to worry about deranged killers in your schools. 35 lives of educated people could have been preserved.
All these deaths because there are a few $$ to be made from idiots with half a brain and even less of a penis. Grow up. America used to be the definition of progressive. Now it can't seem to recognize a very simple thing that it could do to make this problem much less of a problem.
Banning guns won't solve this overnight, but this is not and never has been a 1/0 situation. Right now guns are essentially freely available. If they were banned, slowly they would become harder and harder to get. Black market prices would go up and up. More importantly, ammunition would become hard to come by. Guns are pretty useless without ammo. Soon only the most hardcore criminals could afford to use guns. Police would respond to shots fired with overwhelming force.
And one day, you would not have to worry about deranged killers in your schools. 35 lives of educated people could have been preserved.
I've just been watching an international news roundup. Unsurprisingly, this story was top billing. A procession of editorials, psychologists, cops, and various other 'experts' from around the rest of the civilized world have just stood there and advocated that America finally gets serious about gun control.
Apparently a huge percentage of all illegal handgun type weaponry comes from the US, so your problem is not just within your own borders either.
Anyway, they had this one Australian guy at the end. He is some sort of criminology advisor who has worked in the US for a long time. He predicted that the debate in the US will twist and turn after this. Banning trench coats, more security measures, people blaming Asians, etc etc, except for dealing with the obvious problem - gun control.
I expect he will be right. Let's hope not.
Apparently a huge percentage of all illegal handgun type weaponry comes from the US, so your problem is not just within your own borders either.
Anyway, they had this one Australian guy at the end. He is some sort of criminology advisor who has worked in the US for a long time. He predicted that the debate in the US will twist and turn after this. Banning trench coats, more security measures, people blaming Asians, etc etc, except for dealing with the obvious problem - gun control.
I expect he will be right. Let's hope not.
Nice to see that blah smiley put to good use.
*yawn*
'Violence against the person' - Long-term national recorded crime trend for England and Wales
i don't personally have any use for a handgun. i know the popular reason is personal protection, but it seems highly unlikely that i'll have occasion to use it for that. how tight a grouping can you get in the middle of the night from your bed when you're half awake? also, just knowing you're carrying could influence your risk tolerance when you're out & about, which i argue increases the chance for a fatal incident.
i also recognize our right to bear, and don't care to infringe upon a fine 'merican tradition.
wait a minute...where's pakistan...?
i also recognize our right to bear, and don't care to infringe upon a fine 'merican tradition.
until they tentatively id'd the perp, i naturally assumed it was some disaffected white guy w/ a video game habit. still don't see the asians as a shifty lot.
wait a minute...where's pakistan...?
even the sleepiest eyed shooter can pull off a nice grouping with a 12 guage shotgun
Why would we ban all guns when a ban only bans legal guns. There will still be illegal guns everywhere and the market would grow huge for illegal weaponary and that would leave us law abiding gun owners defenseless. Haven't we learned from things like prohibition of what making it illegal will do? Why should we leave law abiding citizens defenseless against criminals? A ban on guns will do nothing against illegal guns. Well unless they just stop making guns period....come one people get real. This world can't be the utopian socialist society you so wish for. I never want to be spoon fed I want to work hard for everything I own and I should have the right to protect myself, my family and my property.
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
LOL.
I hate that song.
Okay John Lennon.......I will never join your dream. I can't believe people want to be spoon fed like babies.
I would bet my peni$ size compares quite favorably to yours, little man...not that it matters.
You have literally no idea how many guns AND cartridges there are here...no idea whatsoever. There is no way to make them all disappear and by the time you figure out a way, technology will have birthed a finer, more efficient killing machine. Enjoy your stay on fantasy island, Tattoo. Legislation is but a feel-good placebo for feebleminded fingerpointers. Try some real thinking for a change.
I want you as the key note speaker in Blacksburg. Then we'll get to see you protect yourself.
It's not about being spoon fed. It's about eliminating the threat. And wow...stop making guns and ammunition...there's a crazy idea. I know you'll all say that a well regulated militia is the best defense against a crazy government...but how's this: Don't elect stupid people. That'll solve a lot of problems...maybe even prevent mass shootings at institutions of higher learning.
But I forgot, we have the right to bear arms and arm bears...whatever the hell we want to do. Go right ahead and ban trenchcoats. Blame video games and rap music. Just don't touch our rights to shoot the tits off cows with an AR15 if we want to. You might feel safer toting a gun around...but I certainly don't feel any safer with you packing heat.
I never said that we should stop making guns. I was refering to the only way that would stop all guns from causing violence. It will never happen we will never see it. It can't be done unless we live in this fantasy land that people see as being perfect. The fact is that we can't regulate all guns illegal and legal unless we totally stop making guns it won't and shouldn't ever happen. I am just against gun legislation because of my points above. Legal guns are the only ones you can regulate.
Because as we all know, criminals follow the law...
It does seem somewhat peculiarly American that many people's response to a gun tragedy such as this is a wish for more guns.
Does anyone remember the last mass shooting, in the a mall in Utah? Remember how it ended? There was an armed offduty officer who shot the killer.
Maybe we need amend the laws to allow more people to carry guns...
yup, that's more like it.fixed
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I wonder if you can
No need for soap or shampoo
A brotherhood of pachouli
Imagine all the people
smelling up the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
I Agree good point. If there are more guns and more people carrying guns people might be more weary of doing violence. If more people carry more people will be weary that someone else is carrying and they might think twice about doing anything.
It would be great to say "no more guns for anyone". But lets get real. There are a lot of guns out there, guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment, and even if we banned guns totally tomorrow, there would be lots of guns secreted away (see Assault Weapon Ban).
One thing I wanted to say was why don't we teach everyone not to shoot people when you are feeling depressed? Sounds stupid but when I was a kid, there were no mass shootings.
One thing I wanted to say was why don't we teach everyone not to shoot people when you are feeling depressed? Sounds stupid but when I was a kid, there were no mass shootings.
Yes...because Iraq is such a good model to follow. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry carrying an AK down the street just to 'feel safe'...great plan.
When China liberates us from our corrupt government, and everyone with a set of nuts becomes an insurgent, boy will we ever be glad everyone was allowed to have guns. Look how well it's working in Baghdad, pure genius!
Nope - no gun control, before you were born:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
Only Luddites would place false blame on new technology (radio/phonograph/TV/movies/videogames/etc) for psychologically unstable individuals - it happens again and again throughout history. It might not be good for these people, but eventually one thing or the other might set them off.
and it's euro-whingers that navel-gaze.
we're overdue for a new approach to this yet-to-be-solved problem. howsa 'bout we smite all those genetically upstream from this lad (not to exceed his body count, of course; we're a civilized lot)? this should be the new gold standard.
imagine that guns were banned worldwide and that there were only a handful to be had. if i were a man hellbent on killing some people at a school i'd just make myself a field expedient claymore out of household materials (info readily available on the net) and wreak death and destruction on the innocent. so then what? ban the purchase of certain household materials? full body searches on everyone entering/exiting campus? internet classrooms to keep students from congregating in one area to reduce the risk of "mass" casualties?
how about we recognize the real problem; the mental state of our kids. a gun just makes the inevitable easier but eliminating a gun does not eliminate the problem or the threat.
A predictably dog-in-the-manger response.
When even Aussie PM and noted frother John Howard, questions the American gun culture and supports gun control, you know you've got an issue where you blokes really part company with the rest of the Western world. Whether or not you blokes institute more gun-control, maintain what you've got now or go even more laissez faire is of little consequence to me. Just interesting to note a sharp point of cultural difference.
There was one in the 60's, zero in the 70's, couple in the 80's, a little more regular in the 90's, and it looks like it happens every year now.
I was sorta going over the top to see the reaction I'd get. And to your credit, you mentioned the one thing that needs to be addressed: the actual people themselves.
When I was going through high school, there were fights. Someone won, someone lost. No one got they're panties in a wad about how Johnny was a menace to society and had him expelled only to sit around and brood about how unfair life was, and how he was going to get even with a 9mm. If you were tired of getting your ass whooped, you learned to fight back in the socially acceptable (at the time) way and whooped the other dude. That was the end of that.
Running around, placing blame on others, looking for the easy way out...it's crap. The one thing that isn't taught very much anymore, is self-reliance. What happens when the world takes a crap on you? You reflect on how you can affect change on yourself. It may not be easy, but damn it...it's better than going on a shooting spree and firing up the gun debate one more time...