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Am I the only one who thinks that 4-man DH might not be the best idea??
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Whatever dude. You should know me well enough by now to know that "wanting more pople to like me" isnt exactly what's on my mind most the time. In fact, screw people.Originally posted by slcpunk21
Better yet go grab a can of Mt. Dew... it will make you more EXTREME. Then everyone will like you more
Anyway, man, the whole taking time to pass thing is a real copout IMO. I mean, if you're too afraid to race it cause you think its dangerous than dont race it, but IMO i think its a perfectly valid idea given the experiences Ive had. Do i think the sport has to be like MX to be fun? No, its fun now, but head to head competition is always much more fun to me than riding against a clock. If people have insurance and are willing to go for it, i say go for it. I know I would. Then Id drink some mountain dew.
You gonna race it?
yeah they were way small. i was 2x passed the lander on teh table. i just road around the humps.Originally posted by RhinofromWA
The table top was removed for the race.......wasn't it?(or is that what you wer saying?) I got like 18th in the Beg category on the Kamakazie (still have the shirt....never been worn.)
Yeah I brake hard (following another riders lead) going into the table the first time. I cleared it easily. I could see the landing marks past the jump.
I still loved the speed and the jumps just made it more interesting....I wish they had more tame jumps and spread them out.
Dude, that crash was so bad that Pinson would not look at his leg. He could not feel it or something, and he made us look at it before he would. Something about a previous injury that freaked him out. Regardless, that crash was awesome, and you would not have seen it in a regular DH race, and I would not be sitting here typing about it 10 years later. Hey, maybe this 4X DH is interesting after all.
First off, I have never ridin in one of these 4 man DH races but I just does not sound as fun to me.
Part of that might be the fact that I live and ride in scotland where the tracks are not wide enough for 2 rider to get down together let alone 4, In some places it is a chalenge to get through the trees when going at it your self.
However the thing that puts me off most is the fact that I like to be racing against the clock and I like the fact that if I do badly it is my fault, if I do well it is because I had a clean run.
Motorsports have also been discussed in this thread and personaly I think rally is the best, because it is one man against the clock.
I find the whole idea of tactics and team orders in F1 completly boring, when riding against the clock you never have to worry about blocking off a fellow racer you just ride as fast as you can.
4X is OK to watch but when at a WC event (I will be at Ft Bill for round 1 in a couple of weeks, just spectating though ) I would much rather find a technical section on the DH and watch the Pro's blasting through it
Part of that might be the fact that I live and ride in scotland where the tracks are not wide enough for 2 rider to get down together let alone 4, In some places it is a chalenge to get through the trees when going at it your self.
However the thing that puts me off most is the fact that I like to be racing against the clock and I like the fact that if I do badly it is my fault, if I do well it is because I had a clean run.
Motorsports have also been discussed in this thread and personaly I think rally is the best, because it is one man against the clock.
I find the whole idea of tactics and team orders in F1 completly boring, when riding against the clock you never have to worry about blocking off a fellow racer you just ride as fast as you can.
4X is OK to watch but when at a WC event (I will be at Ft Bill for round 1 in a couple of weeks, just spectating though
) I would much rather find a technical section on the DH and watch the Pro's blasting through it
"You gonna race it?"
Damn True-I would if I could. My season is starting really late this year because of my shoulder surgery, and I'm still about $2000 in debt with doctor bills. Otherwise, I'd be there if I could be. I'm probably not going to be racing nationals until Schweitzer this year.
Damn True-I would if I could. My season is starting really late this year because of my shoulder surgery, and I'm still about $2000 in debt with doctor bills. Otherwise, I'd be there if I could be. I'm probably not going to be racing nationals until Schweitzer this year.
I say you should all chill and wait until after tomorrow to pass judgement. Let them get the first go around over and then hear what people really have to say about it. Not just a bunch of computer jockeys tearing it apart before it even happens.
Just my $.02
Just my $.02
I actually raced a 4 man DH a couple of years ago, it was awesome fun! Heaps more stacks than normal DH (haha like 4-man pileups in the first corner), but you don't/can't go as fast anyway, and you basically learn when/where to back off.
If the terrain is open enough, it's great! The course we had was pretty short (1:20ish) and open in *parts* but in nearly all sections was wide enough to overtake still.
If the terrain is open enough, it's great! The course we had was pretty short (1:20ish) and open in *parts* but in nearly all sections was wide enough to overtake still.
They let Cat 4s do crits right? this can't be anymore dangerous than a bunch of poor bike handlers going full anerobic while trying to not cross wheels with the guy in front of him...
So, after all of this about the 4 man DH, what happened in Big Bear?
Brian
Brian
Originally posted by Transcend
yeah that's my idea of fun
Ya, no foolin. Loose dirt + aggressive riders + high speeds.Originally posted by BMXman
yeah that's my idea of fun
Notice graves int he mess...these are not your local yokel talentless hacks.
But, was that the case in:
A) All the races
B) Most of the races
C) Some of the races
D) A few of the races
E) I just happen to be in the right place at the right time...
Brian
A) All the races
B) Most of the races
C) Some of the races
D) A few of the races
E) I just happen to be in the right place at the right time...
Brian
Ha...the camera only tells 1/2000 of a second of the story. Racers were, at least on the bottom 3d of the course, very widely spaced. You generally really had to wait/work to get shots with multiple racers in them. But there were some really good moments.
This kind of thing is unique, probably fun for the racers and neat for TV clips, but I don't see how (or why) it could replace the traditional timed format. And the venue has to be appropriate for this type of course...lots of wide-open space.
This kind of thing is unique, probably fun for the racers and neat for TV clips, but I don't see how (or why) it could replace the traditional timed format. And the venue has to be appropriate for this type of course...lots of wide-open space.
I raced in the Mania yeaterday in semipro and thought it was a ton of fun. I got taken out in the first corner of the second round, but thats racing. I caught back up and almost made the pass but I drink too much beer. From what I heard, Norba points were awarded for qualifying times and the 4man race was just for money/pride. So if you didnt want to risk your neck you didnt have to. Yet 95% of the guys were up there wanting to race.
Qualifying 64 riders was a bad idea. Thats way to many race runs to do in a row.
Overall I think it really steps up the level of competition and is a good exibition event until it starts to catch on. It definately takes the right course to make it fun. Some finish line jumps would have been fun too.
Thats my opinion on the weekend.
Qualifying 64 riders was a bad idea. Thats way to many race runs to do in a row.
Overall I think it really steps up the level of competition and is a good exibition event until it starts to catch on. It definately takes the right course to make it fun. Some finish line jumps would have been fun too.
Thats my opinion on the weekend.
Originally posted by BMXman
yeah that's my idea of fun
Never before have I been injured an unable to race and been happy about it.
4x DH, Especially TBB version of it, is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and I believe the 20 or so people who actually stuck around to watch the finals thought the same thing.
IMHO the event was very, very exciting. I was at the top for the first half. The gate would slam with the sound of a gun shot, then 4 guys would sprint as hard as they could down a straight f/r into a loose-sharp turn. My blood was pumping just watching them try to get out in front. There was some serious race tactics happening in the corner. The front guys often went wide, but the 3rd place guy often slammed harder on the brakes and took the inside to get a better position. It really was exciting to watch. Out of that turn, they sprinted again to the log drop. Off the drop there were 2 crashes I saw, which I would blame on the rider behind the front guy. That's one spot where the riders should have used caution. Steve Wentz got taken out there. Bummer cause he was leading, but he is okay and has a great attitude.
From the drop, they went into the trees and hit a tough turn where major momentum was lost. Out of the trees was a big table top. By this point, most were spread out and unless a rider slid out, they could lead the pack all the way to the finish. I didn't see anyone try to pass at the mid-point of the course, which was a hip jump. It was pretty much decided at the top, then they just had to keep it togther for the rest of the run.
Congats to DK, he did an awesome job. Also congrats to Anka. She got 7th. From what she said, it was a test of endurance doing all those runs! Whew!
Being an amatuer, I would be scared to do this event, but I enjoyed watching the Pros. They really made it exciting to watch.
From the drop, they went into the trees and hit a tough turn where major momentum was lost. Out of the trees was a big table top. By this point, most were spread out and unless a rider slid out, they could lead the pack all the way to the finish. I didn't see anyone try to pass at the mid-point of the course, which was a hip jump. It was pretty much decided at the top, then they just had to keep it togther for the rest of the run.
Congats to DK, he did an awesome job. Also congrats to Anka. She got 7th. From what she said, it was a test of endurance doing all those runs! Whew!
Being an amatuer, I would be scared to do this event, but I enjoyed watching the Pros. They really made it exciting to watch.
J.H. Christ, has nobody here raced BMX or motocross in their lives? Did anybody die or get seriously borken off in the DH-X? Haven't heard of anything yet.
And don't tell me they were going that fast - you only stack on top of each other like in the pic when the speeds are under 20 or so.
I, for one, would love to get to race such an event.
And don't tell me they were going that fast - you only stack on top of each other like in the pic when the speeds are under 20 or so.
I, for one, would love to get to race such an event.
Weagle... clean oyur PM's.
I rode in the Dh Mania, and at first I wasn't too excited. But by the time sunday at 4:30 rolled around I was ready. It was actually a lot more fun than I thought it was going to be. it gives you more drive to hang on someones wheel when there 2 feet in front of you.
I would not want to see it at any other races though. It was fun but it was just 4X on big bikes is all.
They should have only qualified 32 Semi's and 64 men and only 16 girls. We (the girls) waited up there for almost two hours before we got to race.
I would not want to see it at any other races though. It was fun but it was just 4X on big bikes is all.
They should have only qualified 32 Semi's and 64 men and only 16 girls. We (the girls) waited up there for almost two hours before we got to race.
back in the day downhill bikes could reach half the speed of todays becuase the bikes had less trvel then todays xc bikes, werent as strong as todays xc bikes there fore not as capable of the speeds reached today there fore less dangerous
now that is what im talking about if thats not fun i dont know what is
i would want to be the cause of the accident personally so then after the crash i could get my ass beat for screwing every one up...
freeriding 101 gets the syd barrett sig reference award for the week.
...
dear mountain bike racing world.
you should know that
when you talk about the Crow , he will appear before your very eyes. KAAAAAHHHH!! KKAAAAAAAAWWWW!!
I have to say that all my exsperiences racing mtb. stay with me, i truly enjoyed the love, passion, and committment that old school slalom, takes to excell at.
hitting turns , ripping berms, and really mad doubles will always gets me going.
as for the Four man whooaaa! that was some of the toughest racing i have ever done, i remember banging bars, every turn, guys coming in on the inside, with 1 Intention, putting you on your head. Back then there was $$$ from ZZYZZX, bullet.
they actually held a few stand alone events at the Ski place just down from big bear, the course was over a minute, sandy, and Vertical, Shaums march won the first one, remember Shaums going Big, miss those days.
any way they prepared the track for fast, ballz out riding, big berms, and the best part, a Chairlift ride back to the top!!
Since racing mtb,
I started racing supermoto, in sept, 2002, my first time on a moto bikein 10 plus years, the cannondale guys where loving the fact that i raced all weekend in the only jersey i had, a very thin Ellsworth jersey. on pavement,
after Passing Aron Yates, for a top spot.
after traveling with the first US team to represent in Supermoto, in beligium, I left my Team and toured all over.
When i Got Back Bartels Harley Davidson Asked me to Race for them,. and of course i did. knowing the infamous motorcycle racing history that goes with them. "Bostrom's, Zemke,and JAY Springstein
So Recently in my Pro Debut
three weeks ago i qualified to become a professional road racer, , at Sonoma CA made AMA History. on a Triumph 600. just for fun,
I would like to thank all of the racers that still remember my efforts, i truly thought they would be forgotten
every time i raced i would give it 100% sometimes i ate dirt. but a few world champions will tell you, 1997-1998. Beneke, Croasdale, Palmer, King, you better not be sleeping, cause Eric Pinson will send you Packing.
one guy said i freaked out and grabbed too much brakes, and t boned a kovachi trailer
No
cause if you were really paying attention, i ussually disconect the brakes exspecially in wet grass.
Trailer????
well it must have knocked me out, cause i didn't remember it. quite like that.
As soon as i find some free time i want to go race old school slalom, again in Southern California so if you have a schedule please send it.
Crow's
Racing moto
Have Race Will Travel..Leave it on the course.. and enjoy every second,
Slalom Rules
NEVER BACKPEDAL, "no one ever passed someone pedaling backwards
slow down to go faster..
Turns...
Absolute Perfection
my favorite part of racing, any body can jump, but turning is an art, one done to perfection
is the most rewarding sensation i've ever experienced
Challenge to all slalom racers
to lay the bike over as far a traction will allow,then a liitle more drag your pedals, and the Bar Ends!!! Come out of the turn ripping
while removing the grass from your gloves , say to your competitors is that possible??? funny thing
i dont remember crashing.
Slalom is a psychological and full excertion, every millimeter counted..
Note about me and Palmer,
i Broke my chain coming out of the GATE..
thanks to Fred Flinstone, i was only beat by palmer by .75 seconds in the first run.
I wanted it bad, the 20 foot double. seemed like fifty ft with one foot on the pedal and the other taking a full stride of committment.
Run 2
Palmer came out of the gate like a raped APE, on the third turn i looked up to see holy fury as palmer was on the slightly slower course, with an unbeliveable advantage,
My long time Friend SAid one thing, GO CROW!!!!GO!!!
Istarted spinning with all my might, busting the berms and haveing fun, i hunkered down for about 35 sec, of a pure ADRENALINE..
When we came side by side over the double i realized that i had made up the ground, and to the finish line ..
GO CROW
#32 seed Pinson Advanced
Pinson Haults a year of Winning for Palmer whom im now competing against in Supermoto
For those who are now lost, my Fans and competitors called me CROW
why??Cause like a Crows , no matter where you go, there is a CROW. have race will travel
I LIVE to Ride but i LOVE to RACE.
im now in WSMC, AFM, Flat track, AMA, and WERA, racing Full time, for fun.
if any one ever needs Tires for street bikes, www.crstires.com
or wants to get in to moto racing
come on lets go!!
I just recently was informed that old school slalom is coming back, Remember when berms were how much dirt the amatuers pushed from the inside.
slalom, no basket weaving, just pure turns and sprinting,
Basket Weaving, term for a row of gates so tight and slow you just blast the gates, boring and dumb ,
as for me
my favorite courses, VERMONT, Plattekill, gotta love Big Bear and mammoth always.,
Chuck Pitts Backyard Brawl in GA, Mount ste Anne Canada, and my Personal
Track Located at My Alma Mater Lindsey Wilson Kentucky, " Go Blue Raiders
While In College
Racing on the First Scholarship for a dual slalom racer LWC, i went on to a second place behind brent hendler1998,
Next year 1999, I made my personal best runs ever.
Only to get the Eric MOORE Shaft,
To be told you are the National Champion, by Eric Moore
Then for Eric Moore to call out some dude as champion, the guy had never even made a Norba main Event final.
Crushed from the amount energy time, and dedication to the sport i was so passionate for,
I went to the college National to WIN, and Eric Moore went there to make sure i didn't.
I wrote many letters to norba, then Eric M then tried to remove my racing licence, because of the reaction he got from all the teams, for the semi riot, "food fight"that took place cause i told EM, how much Norba Slalom meant to me.
So This should just about clear up Any questions About the whereabouts of
Eric Pinson
AMA# 204 supersport, FX Road Racing, now these guys are FAST.
WSMC # 883
Racing 4 man fairness comes from proper course layout, and a stiff elbow.
what made old school slalom the best?
The Show, slalom time,
had every racer in a thick plot, the intensity of an underdog getting to race his heros, the perseverance of a person coming from a deficit, the opportunity to level a goli, the close contact with fans, i even recall a time when your first, and second run was just to see if you qualified. talk about pressure.
Im getting fired up just thinking about it.
Eric Pinson
Slalom From the Heart
you should know that
when you talk about the Crow , he will appear before your very eyes. KAAAAAHHHH!! KKAAAAAAAAWWWW!!
I have to say that all my exsperiences racing mtb. stay with me, i truly enjoyed the love, passion, and committment that old school slalom, takes to excell at.
hitting turns , ripping berms, and really mad doubles will always gets me going.
as for the Four man whooaaa! that was some of the toughest racing i have ever done, i remember banging bars, every turn, guys coming in on the inside, with 1 Intention, putting you on your head. Back then there was $$$ from ZZYZZX, bullet.
they actually held a few stand alone events at the Ski place just down from big bear, the course was over a minute, sandy, and Vertical, Shaums march won the first one, remember Shaums going Big, miss those days.
any way they prepared the track for fast, ballz out riding, big berms, and the best part, a Chairlift ride back to the top!!
Since racing mtb,
I started racing supermoto, in sept, 2002, my first time on a moto bikein 10 plus years, the cannondale guys where loving the fact that i raced all weekend in the only jersey i had, a very thin Ellsworth jersey. on pavement,
after Passing Aron Yates, for a top spot.
after traveling with the first US team to represent in Supermoto, in beligium, I left my Team and toured all over.
When i Got Back Bartels Harley Davidson Asked me to Race for them,. and of course i did. knowing the infamous motorcycle racing history that goes with them. "Bostrom's, Zemke,and JAY Springstein
So Recently in my Pro Debut
three weeks ago i qualified to become a professional road racer, , at Sonoma CA made AMA History. on a Triumph 600. just for fun,
I would like to thank all of the racers that still remember my efforts, i truly thought they would be forgotten
every time i raced i would give it 100% sometimes i ate dirt. but a few world champions will tell you, 1997-1998. Beneke, Croasdale, Palmer, King, you better not be sleeping, cause Eric Pinson will send you Packing.
one guy said i freaked out and grabbed too much brakes, and t boned a kovachi trailer
No
cause if you were really paying attention, i ussually disconect the brakes exspecially in wet grass.
Trailer????
well it must have knocked me out, cause i didn't remember it. quite like that.
As soon as i find some free time i want to go race old school slalom, again in Southern California so if you have a schedule please send it.
Crow's
Racing moto
Have Race Will Travel..Leave it on the course.. and enjoy every second,
Slalom Rules
NEVER BACKPEDAL, "no one ever passed someone pedaling backwards
slow down to go faster..
Turns...
Absolute Perfection
my favorite part of racing, any body can jump, but turning is an art, one done to perfection
is the most rewarding sensation i've ever experienced
Challenge to all slalom racers
to lay the bike over as far a traction will allow,then a liitle more drag your pedals, and the Bar Ends!!! Come out of the turn ripping
while removing the grass from your gloves , say to your competitors is that possible??? funny thing
i dont remember crashing.
Slalom is a psychological and full excertion, every millimeter counted..
Note about me and Palmer,
i Broke my chain coming out of the GATE..
thanks to Fred Flinstone, i was only beat by palmer by .75 seconds in the first run.
I wanted it bad, the 20 foot double. seemed like fifty ft with one foot on the pedal and the other taking a full stride of committment.
Run 2
Palmer came out of the gate like a raped APE, on the third turn i looked up to see holy fury as palmer was on the slightly slower course, with an unbeliveable advantage,
My long time Friend SAid one thing, GO CROW!!!!GO!!!
Istarted spinning with all my might, busting the berms and haveing fun, i hunkered down for about 35 sec, of a pure ADRENALINE..
When we came side by side over the double i realized that i had made up the ground, and to the finish line ..
GO CROW
#32 seed Pinson Advanced
Pinson Haults a year of Winning for Palmer whom im now competing against in Supermoto
For those who are now lost, my Fans and competitors called me CROW
why??Cause like a Crows , no matter where you go, there is a CROW. have race will travel
I LIVE to Ride but i LOVE to RACE.
im now in WSMC, AFM, Flat track, AMA, and WERA, racing Full time, for fun.
if any one ever needs Tires for street bikes, www.crstires.com
or wants to get in to moto racing
come on lets go!!
I just recently was informed that old school slalom is coming back, Remember when berms were how much dirt the amatuers pushed from the inside.
slalom, no basket weaving, just pure turns and sprinting,
Basket Weaving, term for a row of gates so tight and slow you just blast the gates, boring and dumb ,
as for me
my favorite courses, VERMONT, Plattekill, gotta love Big Bear and mammoth always.,
Chuck Pitts Backyard Brawl in GA, Mount ste Anne Canada, and my Personal
Track Located at My Alma Mater Lindsey Wilson Kentucky, " Go Blue Raiders
While In College
Racing on the First Scholarship for a dual slalom racer LWC, i went on to a second place behind brent hendler1998,
Next year 1999, I made my personal best runs ever.
Only to get the Eric MOORE Shaft,
To be told you are the National Champion, by Eric Moore
Then for Eric Moore to call out some dude as champion, the guy had never even made a Norba main Event final.
Crushed from the amount energy time, and dedication to the sport i was so passionate for,
I went to the college National to WIN, and Eric Moore went there to make sure i didn't.
I wrote many letters to norba, then Eric M then tried to remove my racing licence, because of the reaction he got from all the teams, for the semi riot, "food fight"that took place cause i told EM, how much Norba Slalom meant to me.
So This should just about clear up Any questions About the whereabouts of
Eric Pinson
AMA# 204 supersport, FX Road Racing, now these guys are FAST.
WSMC # 883
Racing 4 man fairness comes from proper course layout, and a stiff elbow.
what made old school slalom the best?
The Show, slalom time,
had every racer in a thick plot, the intensity of an underdog getting to race his heros, the perseverance of a person coming from a deficit, the opportunity to level a goli, the close contact with fans, i even recall a time when your first, and second run was just to see if you qualified. talk about pressure.
Im getting fired up just thinking about it.
Eric Pinson
Slalom From the Heart
Im all misty eyed.
DS 4-ever!!!!!!
DS 4-ever!!!!!!
oh I see...we should wait for someone to get seriously hurt then think about whether or not Mania is good for the sport....D
It is a shame that a poor venue overshadowed a good race. TeamBigBear and BlueWolf (promoters of the series, as well as the BB NCS) did not do the best job with the weekend, 4Man in general. Should have never had qualified 32 women and 64 men, AND semi pros should never be ran with the pros.
The day wore on forever. Fact is, it was great racing-but it just took too long. Combined with ****ty announcing, lackluster crowd, terrible info on how the points would be worked out and on and on-this event is going down as a trainwreck-when in all reality it was fun to watch, was not "dangerous" like all the cowards of the world are labeling it and the riders had a great time. Not to mention we got to see some bike racing! ya know-the kind were people pedal for a living!!
If you were there and did not like the final rounds of the pros, I seriously think this is not the sport for you. If you did not go and are sitting at the monitor bellyaching about it-shut it.
Dont hate the player, hate the game!
(the player in this case, the race. The Game in this case would be the organisers)
Stikman
Dirt Magazine
Oh, P.S. Crow, Beneke, Croasdale and Palmer were never world champions...but I do have to say it was always pure entertainment to watch you race-I mean that in a good way.
The day wore on forever. Fact is, it was great racing-but it just took too long. Combined with ****ty announcing, lackluster crowd, terrible info on how the points would be worked out and on and on-this event is going down as a trainwreck-when in all reality it was fun to watch, was not "dangerous" like all the cowards of the world are labeling it and the riders had a great time. Not to mention we got to see some bike racing! ya know-the kind were people pedal for a living!!
If you were there and did not like the final rounds of the pros, I seriously think this is not the sport for you. If you did not go and are sitting at the monitor bellyaching about it-shut it.
Dont hate the player, hate the game!
(the player in this case, the race. The Game in this case would be the organisers)
Stikman
Dirt Magazine
Oh, P.S. Crow, Beneke, Croasdale and Palmer were never world champions...but I do have to say it was always pure entertainment to watch you race-I mean that in a good way.
OK rocket science, how many people have DIED racing conventional DH? Broken bones? Paralysis? I could go on...I was simply asking if, after the fact, anybody got hurt to cut down on speculation.
I realize a new racing format like this could be potentially dangerous, but any sort of DH event will be inherently dangerous. Yeah, multiple riders can cause wrecks you wouldn't experience if riding solo but they also slow each other down and the courses are much more groomed and wide open, reducing the risk imposed by the trail itself.
-an 8-man-on-the-track BMXman.
pros and semis were run separately...it's just that anyone with a pulse and a top 13 finish at their local race as a sport rider can be given pro status which bogs this 4 man thing up.
though i could only see the start/first corner, i thought it was pretty cool. f- making calls on passing/t-boning...it should be a free-for-all, but should have a separate points system (ie no points towards normal dh).
You know what I meant.
Semi Pro's were run WITH the pro men and pro women-during the showcase event=PRO RACING. Semi Pro means just that "semi"-"almost"-"not quite", they should be ran during their own time. Watching the semipro slalom and downhill DURING the pro showcase events is not a good idea...never was-never will be.
Stikman
Dirt Magazine