riots?

stop bothering me...i'm packing.

I'd be down for that ****...........

fools

Hack said:

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Yeah, why protest?

:mumble: Ok, the elections are over! GO ride your bike! :mumble:

dwaugh said:

Yeah, why protest?

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'cause it's our right as american citizens........Fool

Not under the patriot act... I think... Generally the patriot act repeals all previous amendments and replaces them with... Y'all are terrorists and we ain't.

shhh emo kid, no one wants to hear it

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shhh emo kid, no one wants to hear it

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Who is the emo kid? Completly off topic, you know someone named Oren who lives on Mercer. He is a junior somewhere, i think.

madison is the emo kid, its a long running inside joke. I know a Oren who is a junior on Mercer.

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madison is the emo kid, its a long running inside joke. I know a Oren who is a junior on Mercer.

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Got it. Yeah, Oren is my boy, we were tight until he moved up north. Tell him Daniel says hi if you see his pasty white ass.

riots :nuts:
please think before you post.

RIOT!!! YEAH! LET'S DO IT!!! America can't afford to have another legitimately elected official!! Wait a second............

Fast&Smooth said:

why aren't we taking to the streets in mass numbers to protest? or does he need to start another war first? (last time 15 million worldwide protested him, the largest # in the history of man kind)

are you going to just sit there and take it...again?

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Step away from the crackpipe.

Even if every one of the 55,554,114 people who voted for Kerry took to the streets do you think it would change anything?

Usually I try to respect people opinions but yours is silly.

As much as I hate getting political, I feel like those of us that DO want change need to become way more pro-active in raising awareness/shining light where light doesn't shine. If you voted, then you have every right to say something about the way things are.

Funny you should mention riots - I give it two years max before things go beyond what the Vietnam-era was. I can promise you that we'll still be in Iraq by then - and I feel for the soldiers that are just doing their jobs...even if they don't like the job they've been asked to do.

A couple of things about Bush winning makes me laugh, first is all the bush hating bumper stickers. They look even more ridiculous now that he has been re-elected. Politics makes everyone act real mature (just like this thread). Another thing is Michael Moore and all the Hollywood kooks and rockstar idiots pushing their beliefs on the airwaves. I was and am still sick of hearing this sh!t all the time. Thanks guys you really changed the world!!!!!

I voted for Nader, because I hated both of these guys. They both looked like idiots in the debates, bush saying something stupid and off the point then kerry saying "we can do a better job". My presidential vote wouldnt have mattered anyways since are state was going to go to Kerry regardless. Maybe if the democratic primaries had resulted in someone else this outcome could have been different.

I hate politics :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble:

I am glad that apparantly so many s voted for Nader, and so many of you are lamenting yesterday's events. I really think that (on the whole) the level of intelligence on this forum is higher than the general US populace.

I'm really sorry to everyone who wished so much for a Kerry (non-Bush) victory. I know it wouldn't have really changed much in terms of policy, but it would have given the US a fresh chance in international politics and more importantly perception with the rest of the world. As you may have seen European leaders are now making reconciliatory noises towards the US, even France and Germany are officially trying to be nice. Unfortunately behind the scenes European, Australasian, African and some Asian populations are really pissed. I don't know how much this will eventually translate into actions.

Seriously here in NZ today, and in many other countries there is a state of numbness. People really can't believe the 3.5 million Americans more than last time voted for Bush. In a lot of countries this will be seen as America endorsing the policies of Bush. In a lot of places, especially in the Middle East, the American public have made themselves - more than ever - into legitimate targets - willing participants in the worst abuses of Bush's rule.

I hope you guys can understand the effect this has had on the people of the world, if not it's governments. I really hope George takes this opportunity to changes his ways, but I feel we are entering a worse time than we have left.

Today the US launched it's feircest raids so far in post-war Iraq. Please have no doubt as to the impression this will leave with many people.

I don't really know exactly how I feel about this yet. I feel like I am now suspended, waiting for Bush to show his new colours - maybe hoping the colours are new. I hope at least he can show the spine to do something about the Environment even if the idiotic christian crusade must persist.

I am sorry for everyone who did not vote Bush.

Ya, Changleen - just from the general vibe coming from Canada, I could imagine what the rest of the world must be feeling.
Gotta' agree w/ Langer about Mr. Moore and the others - I think they were TOO vocal about things to the point that their views couldn't be taken as seriously as all would have wished. Trying to make a point is one thing, but overinflating facts to drive that point only makes it better for the other side of the argument.
I hope that they learned from this experience.

can you even vote?

SR said:

can you even vote?

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In case you're asking me (guessing you're not - should add a name to the question ), yes and I did just that.

Actually saw a pretty good sized riot, better yet- protest, up here in Lefty land (Bellingham Wa), just like the macys day parade without Al Roker.

Yeah,

Go ahead and riot. And then get beaten with a baton and arrested for it too. Who would care, and what would it change? Id just still be laughing at you.

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why aren't we taking to the streets in mass numbers to protest? or does he need to start another war first? (last time 15 million worldwide protested him, the largest # in the history of man kind)

are you going to just sit there and take it...again?

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I am guessing your parents would have to drop you off?

It would be stupid to protest him for a legitamate win and especially after Kerrey conceded.

What we need to do however is let the rest of the world know, that although we are not going to tear our country apart for functioning the way its supposed to, we are still 49% of America and pretty much all of the educated and urbanites of our country, and we don't believe in the decisions or methods of Bush. That we DON"T support his morally biggotous anti gay legilature, his right wing religious plans to illeagalize abortion or the heavy handed "go it alone" way of forcefully exporting our foriegn policy that is quickly making us look like the next world bad guy. Who are we the new soviets? F'ing come on here!

I call for all of the disenfranchized, alienated, rightminded individuals who can't believe the direction our country has gone to fly upside down american flags and call ourselves political prisoners of Bush's regime. I think if we all did something like this then it would be a visible but nonviolent statement we could make to the entire world for the next four years that we strongly disagree but are not going to destroy our nation in some kind of civil war that would get us beaten by cops in the streets and make us look bad to the rest of those who are on the fringes. If we get radical and burn republican offices n such we will scare away all the more moderate swing voters and validate the conservatives opinions of us. Look at how visible the flag campaign was after 9/11. This or something like it could be a powerful symbol of our feelings.

This is not to say that we shouldn't get totally vocal and protest every time Bush tries take advantage of his ownership of the house and senate to ram through offensive parts of his conservatiuve agenda.

This is just not the time to do it in that manner. I mean come on what would youi be protesting? That a legitamate but bare majority of americans actually did vote him in and our candidate bowed out? If we want to be heard and listened to we need to choose what we are speaking out against and make our voices heard clearly on specific matters, and when we do it we need to do it the manner that will increase our support base not diominish it.

Just my two cents worth and believe me, I am pissed and appalled at what has happened to our country.

Tyler

Perhaps with this resounding loss, you democrats will finally realize that the majority of the nation is not anything like MMoore and the rest of the Hollywood left.

"Resounding loss?"

You believe way to much spin N8. While more may have voted for bush than any other pres in history, more voted against him too. Thats just political BS and statistics being twisted around. This was very close and fully half of america voted to kick that facist out. Look at the vote breakdown as well. Bush got religious freaks, red necks and robber barons and Kerrey got the young who are afraid of what will be left of this country to inherit and the educated weho know whats actually going on here. No one believes all of America is just like hollywood and MMoore but there are a great many of us who can actually think for ourselves who don't like what's happening here.

Tyler

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"Resounding loss?"

You believe way to much spin N8. While more may have voted for bush than any other pres in history, more voted against him too. Thats just political BS and statistics being twisted around. This was very close and fully half of america voted to kick that facist out. Look at the vote breakdown as well. Bush got religious freaks, red necks and robber barons and Kerrey got the young who are afraid of what will be left of this country to inherit and the educated weho know whats actually going on here. No one believes all of America is just like hollywood and MMoore but there are a great many of us who can actually think for ourselves who don't like what's happening here.

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Let's see... Bush won, gained seats in the Senate and House, defeated the Senate Minority Leader... I'd say it was a resounding loss...

I'm waiting to see how many state office holders switch from Dem to Rep...

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No one believes all of America is just like hollywood and MMoore but there are a great many of us who can actually think for ourselves who don't like what's happening here.

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I was mocked pretty bad by a guy for not liking Bush. He was all, yeah I guess we should just pull out, blah blah blah. He the carried on to tell me we didn't need any other countries. America is the baddest around, blah blah blah. He is so clouded by republican thought it is sickening. He agreed on abortion, then disagreed. Then he mocked Kerry, who I didn't care for, but would have voted for the monkey from BJ and the Bear over Bush, for not picking a stance. Then he acted all tough. I asked how tough he'd be if I busted him in the mouth??? He looked funny that a Kerry loving hippy could say something violent. Here's the news flash, I think we have a bad president and I am alarmed that the country stands behind him. F*** patriotism if it is going to ruin the country for all of us. Nevermind, it gives me tired head. I don't even make sense I am so mad about it.

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Look at the vote breakdown as well. Bush got religious freaks, red necks and robber barons and Kerrey got the young who are afraid of what will be left of this country to inherit and the educated weho know whats actually going on here.

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Im getting so tired of this elitist bull****. While you want to point out that somehow, Bush's voters' opinions werent as valid as those of Kerry's...you seem to forget that we live in a democracy, and that it's the government's job to express the majority's views in legislature. So those you call "religious freaks" (bear in mind that something like 90% of Americans believe in a hgher power) are really the meat and potatoes of this country. Kerry appealed to the poorest of the country by offering handouts, and that's where many if not most of his votes come from. The voter breakdown will tell you that his numbers were best in higher urban areas. If by 'Rednecks" you mean everyone in the entire middle of the country, than sure, I guess that's what he got. But as for him stealing the 'young' vote, I can tell you that Bush won 70% of the votes at my University.
What you need to understand is that other people's views aren't wrong. They're just contrary to your opinion. There's no way to make you believe that Bush was the right choice, but it's so stupid of you to assume that Bush's voter's opinions are not valid for one reason or another. You likely think you have an open mind, correct? Then open it to the fact that maybe there is no right answer, just different opinions.

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Then he acted all tough. I asked how tough he'd be if I busted him in the mouth???

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Yeah right loco. You probably just got own3d again and then wrote this story with what you 'wish you had said' on the internet to make yourself feel better.

BTW, I would have voted democrat this time around because Im not a big Bush fan, but Kerry was a slimer IMO. The rest of America saw it to. A used car salesman. Lieberman was the ticket.

Riot and then move to Canada........NOW PLEASE!

Don't you go to a "redneck" university Sally???

What I am most sick of, is the bashing of rednecks/rural southerners. I am an ex-cowboy/horseshoer/farmer, and I would say, while I post mindless banter, as intelligent as plenty of the folks using the term "redneck". I am not happy that Bush won, but don't think it is low class america that did it. The dude that spray painted "kerry sucks" on his tail gate, well, he could be called a "redneck". This arguing is stupid. I'm going back to the lounge to bash stoney and to have shirley bash me.

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Im getting so tired of this elitist bull****. While you want to point out that somehow, Bush's voters' opinions werent as valid as those of Kerry's...you seem to forget that we live in a democracy, and that it's the government's job to express the majority's views in legislature. So those you call "religious freaks" (bear in mind that something like 90% of Americans believe in a hgher power) are really the meat and potatoes of this country. Kerry appealed to the poorest of the country by offering handouts, and that's where many if not most of his votes come from. The voter breakdown will tell you that his numbers were best in higher urban areas. If by 'Rednecks" you mean everyone in the entire middle of the country, than sure, I guess that's what he got. But as for him stealing the 'young' vote, I can tell you that Bush won 70% of the votes at my University.
What you need to understand is that other people's views aren't wrong. They're just contrary to your opinion. There's no way to make you believe that Bush was the right choice, but it's so stupid of you to assume that Bush's voter's opinions are not valid for one reason or another. You likely think you have an open mind, correct? Then open it to the fact that maybe there is no right answer, just different opinions.

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As much as I despise Bush with every cell of my body, Shirley's right. That's democracy for ya. If'n you don't like the results campaign for the guy you like next time around and call BS when the government does something you don't like. Rioting and demonstrating will not get the point across. Logical discussion of the facts is our only hope, something neither side did at all this year.

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Yeah right loco. You probably just got own3d again and then wrote this story with what you 'wish you had said' on the internet to make yourself feel better.

BTW, I would have voted democrat this time around because Im not a big Bush fan, but Kerry was a slimer IMO. The rest of America saw it to. A used car salesman. Lieberman was the ticket.

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Nevermind, I can get bashed by you here too.

My point was that this dude is all "kill em all", but wouldn't have the same mentatlity if I punched him in the teeth. Double standards from most Bush supporters here. If Kerry had one, we would still have reasons to fear. No question. I'm still pissed McCain didn't run 4 years ago. Oh well.

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Nevermind, I can get bashed by you here too.

My point was that this dude is all "kill em all", but wouldn't have the same mentatlity if I punched him in the teeth. Double standards from most Bush supporters here. If Kerry had one, we would still have reasons to fear. No question. I'm still pissed McCain didn't run 4 years ago. Oh well.

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He tried to run but Bush used some smart yet underhanded tricks to get him culled early in the primaries. Having primaries on different days in different states is BS, it gives a regional advantage to the early states, Bush played McCain like a Banjo.

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My point was that this dude is all "kill em all", but wouldn't have the same mentatlity if I punched him in the teeth. Double standards from most Bush supporters here.

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I disagree entirely. I think we DID get punched in the teeth on 911, and then went on a "kill em all" spree. Something Kerry has vowed to be against.