battle of the VPPs
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The difference is that they're not the same bike...? What's the difference between an IH SGS and an M1 and a Specialized Bighit and a Norco VPS and blah and blah and blah? Just cos they have the same rear suspension format, doesn't mean they're the same. Geometry, weight, shape, colour, suspension characteristics, strength, stiffness, price and handling characteristics are all different - why assume they're so close to being identical?
Neither will be quicker than the other. That comes down to yous_c_biker said:I was wondering wats the diff between the new SC V10 and Intense M3?
I've yet to ride either but have ridden the older v10..
Thanks:
no, I think they each licensed the patent for the suspension then designed their own frames from there.
Actually, I'm pretty sure SC bought the patent and Intense licensed it from them.Matt D said:
Regardless, even if they did share R&D costs, it doesn't make either bike the same, just means they'll have similar suspension characteristics.
As was stated, they're two totally different bikes. Just like two single pivots will be different, or two Horst link DH bikes will be different.
SC own the patent. Intense has it licensed.preppie said:
But Intense did most of the design and R&D for SC
That said: the new V10 has a completely different construction, has the carbon fender to protect the shock from roost, has more travel, a steeper head angle, longer top tubes, higher BB, longer chainstays, higher standover
Alltogether, i think the V10 will be a more versatile bike, whereas the M3 may be a bit faster, being a pure racer
From what I can tell with about 1 ride on each.......the intense is faster..........weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Either that or I had stronger coffee that morning. Yeah there you go, the intense is definitely faster, but only if you're tweaking.
Either that or I had stronger coffee that morning. Yeah there you go, the intense is definitely faster, but only if you're tweaking.
thaflyinfatman said:
Um... he knows that. He is asking WHAT the difference is, not IF there is a difference. Like, one has a shorter wheelbase and is more flickable, while the other is more of a point and shoot bike.
His request was not too difficult.
i rode an m3 yesterday. it was better than i was.
Perhaps that was what he was asking, but the fact is he took two bikes with the same suspension, and asked for no specifics whatsoever.-BB- said:
You can surely see how his question could easily be interpreted as, "I don't see any difference between these two bikes and think they are the same."
...which is how I took it, as well.
If he is asking what you implied, then it's rather a silly question, seeing as there was no specific inquiry. You could go through every single niggling difference between the two frames, but to what end? To find out that there's 12ft. of weld on one frame and 18ft. on another? One uses Easton tubing, one doesn't? (edit: I made those two things up, please do not assume that they're real statements about these frames) Is that useful information? If you're asking about geometry, ask about geometry. If you're asking about weight, ask about weight.
I may as well ask what the difference between the M3 and an Azonic Recoil is - hell, they may have the exact same geometry and weight the same for all I know. Maybe there IS no difference besides suspension systems.
-BB- said:Um... he knows that. He is asking WHAT the difference is, not IF there is a difference. Like, one has a shorter wheelbase and is more flickable, while the other is more of a point and shoot bike.
His request was not too difficult.
yeah but a simple visit to each companies website could have also answered the questions no?....D
i hear one's like butta', and the other one's total gravy....s_c_biker said:
s_c_biker said:I was wondering wats the diff between the new SC V10 and Intense M3?
I've yet to ride either but have ridden the older v10..
Thanks
It's true that both share the vpp design but you should understand that small differences in the pivot locations, size of the links, etc., can have a big impact on performance - little changes can effect shock rate, chainstay growth, etc. So they might look the same but perform differently.
You can find the specs for both pretty easily, last I looked the geometry is similar but there are some differences and you may see something that sways you. Unless you see something in the specs that pushes you in one direction, the only way you'll know for sure is to try to get a ride on each one (hopefully with a similar shock) and make your decision from there.
If you've ridden the old v10, my experience (and the reports of others) is that the new bike is lighter overall and tighter in the rear, making it much better in tight turns and tech sections but no less capable at eating up the trail than the older version. I have also heard the new bike uses a different shock rate curve but not sure about that.
My vote is for the new V10 but I haven't ridden an M3. (Yeah I know,
) I'm just an SCB 'ho.
The M3 has a 9.5X3.0 shock compared to 8.75X2.75 on the V10. This along with less travel, will cause the M3 to have a much lower leverage ratio than the V10.s_c_biker said:I was wondering wats the diff between the new SC V10 and Intense M3?
I've yet to ride either but have ridden the older v10..
Thanks
Just something to consider
Yeah, except that the first couple inches of the V10's travel uses barely any of the shock travel..... it's pretty much dead travel without much spring resistance. That's why those bikes sag so much- the suspension may sag 30% but it's not 30% of the shock travel that's used up.... and for the last 7 inches or so the leverage ratio isn't very high at all, that's why they ride so well.WheelieMan said:
Very true. But the M3 exhibits those traits as well, no?zane said:
hey bro,s_c_biker said:I was wondering wats the diff between the new SC V10 and Intense M3?
I've yet to ride either but have ridden the older v10..
Thanks
convince ros to drive up here for a test drive.
neaky:definately they are different albiet in subtle ways...why does every intense model have exactly .5 inches less travel? this is a pattern which obviously has a reason behind it...be it design or a marketing agreement, the choice is yours, SC is cost efficient, Intense isn't; BUT...you get what u pay for...
both have plush dampeningzedro said:
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