on big bears website they state all problems have been resolved, and that they will continue to race there? no i mean comeon be more descriptive. i know they are running x-country and super d, also must have 30 lbs bike or what not? what is the deal?
Big Bear! What Is The Deal?
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They fixed the problems with SS so they can start/finish XC races on Snow Summit, no Dhing.
I think they just got their approval to run some XC and Super D races...
Snow Summit is sticking to their guns, in terms of what type of bike they will load on their lifts.
Less than 35 pounds
Triple chainring
Tires no larger than 2.1
No more than 5" of travel, front and rear
Basically, bikes that you really couldn't have too much fun on up there, unless you wanted to climb the fire road... :mumble:
Snow Summit is sticking to their guns, in terms of what type of bike they will load on their lifts.
Less than 35 pounds
Triple chainring
Tires no larger than 2.1
No more than 5" of travel, front and rear
Basically, bikes that you really couldn't have too much fun on up there, unless you wanted to climb the fire road... :mumble:
it's 35lbs limit
3 chain rings or single speed
6 inches up front (150mm)
nothing fatter then 2.5" tire
It's $10 per run or get the all day pass (till 4pm) for $20 (yes they brought it back from the grave). No runs allowed on the ski slopes but many single tracks branching from the fire roads above. Last weekend when we were racing SuperD I saw a bunch of guys riding down all day long. Some with full gear but the bike were in the rules.
3 chain rings or single speed
6 inches up front (150mm)
nothing fatter then 2.5" tire
It's $10 per run or get the all day pass (till 4pm) for $20 (yes they brought it back from the grave). No runs allowed on the ski slopes but many single tracks branching from the fire roads above. Last weekend when we were racing SuperD I saw a bunch of guys riding down all day long. Some with full gear but the bike were in the rules.
Apollo_K said:
What are you talking about? Are you suggesting you are willing to pay snow summit so you can ride trails that aren't even as fun as the ones you'd find right outside your own city limits that cost nothing to ride? When will people realize that supporting SS at this point, on any bike, is giving SS the message that we are totally helpless lemmings who will do anything to ride on their yuppie hill.
I say let Snow Summit die to the mountain biking world and Team Big Bear too.
I agree.Kornphlake said:
Owwwwwww... I can hear Pat and Toms balls busting right now. Oh well.Kornphlake said:
I was going to keep my mouth shut on this for once, but I guess I can be incited to at least agree with Korn and Fonzie here.
That said, might be worth one summer trip up there...just not going to give Snow Summit any money to ride their lift to public trails.
That said, might be worth one summer trip up there...just not going to give Snow Summit any money to ride their lift to public trails.
Exactly. Untill SS realizes that they need us more than we need them they will never ever maintain, or create decent trails. Unless SS creates new trails that are cut properly and maintained I will never go back there. I urge all of you to boycott them as well. Use the power of your wallet to send them a message. Tell them that we do not need them, and that if they want our business then they have to earn it.Kornphlake said:
I will be shuttling better trails this summer then SS ever offered. And when I am not shuttling I will be pedalling and pushing up the hill. At the very least, it's good for my heart, and will help burn off this fat ass. Eff snow summit and team big bear.
It's not so much bustin' Pat and Tom's balls...I mean I will still be racing Brian Head and Deer Valley. It it's about showing Snow Summit that they can't close the DH trails and deny lift-assisted DH riding and still have us crawl back to them on our trail bikes and ask to be loaded on their chair (what "K" said). If I go to Big bear I will not be supporting S.S, instead I would rather pedal to the top.dhtahoe said:
I guess Big Bear's Summer economy is taking a hit already huh? Sucks for everybody.
Fonzie18I guess Big Bear's Summer economy is taking a hit already huh? Sucks for everybody. :([/QUOTE said:
MikeD said:
It think you can still be up on top on there land by the BBQ, everyone bring lunch and we'll have a a pinic up top.
I wanna know what the deal with TBB website is, for two days I've been trying to reg for DV and i can't freaking get it to work.
Go here: SportsBaseonline.com THat's where I registered, quick and easy!Zutroy said:
Fonzie18 said:
Thanks.....you da man
yeah we can bring our own beer and BBQ. It'd be hillarious.Zutroy said:
Anyway, I was just kiding around MikeD, Gosh!
Zark said:
Cruel but true.
eff that place, in fact, i won't go there in the winter either. there are other places to spend your hard earned money. they won't get a dime out of my pocket. this isn't cruel. what's cruel is denying us the ability to DH there. i hope the entire place goes out of business. I will always feel terrible for the guy that got hurt, but all of us take the risk whenever we saddle up on our rigs.
N*, downieville, mammoth, etc will get my hard earned dollars, period.
N*, downieville, mammoth, etc will get my hard earned dollars, period.
Best grasshoper post in a long time.I agree with you guys but I never spend over 30 bucks a day up there. 20 for lift and around 10 for lunch. I don't think loosing my 30 bones will put anyone out of biz.
I'm working on the interim website, hoping to get more info up this weekend.
It's not about your 30 bucks, it's about the $30 of 200 local mountain bikers who visit 3 weekends a month from june to september that will put people out of business. If they're not willing to fight for our business they don't deserve our money. I'd rather spend one weekend a month maintianing a local trail that I could ride for free every other weekend than pay to ride a trail that is never maintained, and on a bike that's not fun to ride to add insult. Spend that $30 on new brake pads or more beer if you feel like you've got to spend money to have a good time ridding.spookydave said:
i still dont understand why they shutdown the DH section, i understand the guy got injured and sued, but why dont they just fix whatever the guy sued for, put up disclaimers that you have to sign, and then the problem would be fixed right? or is there something im missing?
what you are missing is they don't want to get sued again. The disclaimers and you signing them were already there. They guy who sued signed on too. Shows what that's worth, nothing! They just don't make enough in the summer with biking to be worth the risk (or so they say). In the winter I guess they make enough cash to take the risk of a law suite.yeehaarider said:
Trust me, I'm just as bummed or more then anyone else.
Ciaran said:Ya big meanie. Be nice!
The situation at SS runs deeper than most of us know. It goes beyond rider lawsuits.
Besides being greedy corperate morons?
OK, then: run a search!Ciaran said:Ya big meanie. Be nice!
Actually, though, yeehaa, there are several threads from way back over the winter that will give you lots of background info on the situation and pages on endless pages of speculation.
The *main* reason they closed Dh was, in fact, the potential for more lawsuits. To summarize, those releases and waivers you sign when you go DHing at a ski place don't mean a thing in court. The racer who sued signed two of them, I think (one for Snow Summit, one for TBB) like all of us who rode there.
In this country, as a venue, you can't really sign your potenital liability away. Yeah, I know, it's common sense that you're participating in a dangerous sport willingly and all bets should be off, but that reasonable person standard doesn't apply here. The racer who sued claimed that the course markers used in race were unsuitably designed and were essentially the cause of his injury.
As a reasonable person, I understand that he had an opportunity to inspect the course prior to racing and should have done so...and if he had an issue with the course markers, shouldn't have raced and perhaps demanded his registration money back.
But no one asked me...they just closed the mountian.
MD
While it sucks for the industry and all you so cal folks, I'm glad SS is done. Hopefully, NORBA or whoever will find another mountain (my vote is for N*) that has better terrain. I did not like riding SS too much, not enough rocks, too much dust, less than a handful of "trails", mostly fire roads with small jumps. I support this boycott of SS fully. Let's go pedal up to some killer trails, and leave this SS sillyness to the winter time sports to deal with.
Hey MikeD I liked your avatar of 3 generations ago best, the reaper ghost looking one...it was kinda evil.
I know that's supposed to be funny...but...um...it's just a dumb thing to say.Zutroy said:
So are they supposed to run their mountain for charity? As a commune? If you've got a plan for a sustainable rider-run cooperative bike resort, by all means, put it forward.
Is their 'greed' somehow manifest in denying themselves a potential source of income, or protecting themselves against potentially devastating financial loss?
I think they're missing out on the chance to *make* tons of money by running a kickass bike park, personally. And my perspective is obviously skewed by my desire for them to do just that, so they can take that for what it's worth...wishful thinking by a non-businessman. But I will refer you to the South Park "Harbuck's" and "Wall*Mart" episodes for a good perspective on corporations.
And it's "corporate." Never misspell when you call someone a moron.
Sorry, but using 'corporate' as a pejorative is just a little bit tiresome.
MD
It's from a cartoon movie for 12-year old Japanese girls. "Spirited Away." It actually kicks ass.ncrider said:
Can you ride this afternoon? I need to get the *hell* off this computer, as evidenced by my post count soaring and my general crotchetiness. Going for a road ride if no one's up for anything.
MD
Yeah I can ride around 5:30 or so. But you'd have to come up to my neck of the woods cause my gears at home. I've got a sweet rock section to show you so bring the big bike. Oh and leave now cause the Del Mar fair opens today....traffic
ive seen that movie i think....was it the one where the dude has a white face, kinda ghost like??
i dont know why i watched it, weird movie