Turner DHR vs. Ironhorse Sunday

toodles · Sep 20, 2005

Fury said:
Bikes break. It's how a company takes care of you after the fact that makes the difference. Turner is a superb company when it comes to building quality, fast, fun bikes and their customer service and warranty are the best in the business. Ask anyone who's dealt with them.

Absolutely. Their CS for me has sold me on their bikes 100%. Great guys and very concerned with customer satisfaction.

This time last year I was stuck deciding between the Sunday and the DHR. In the end I went the DHR as it was available immediately, and the Sundays were a "month" away (that month later turned to 5 months) and the Turner was cheaper here in Australia.

Now having ridden both the Turner and the Sunday for quite a few runs, I really doubt you'd have a problem with either bike. The Sundays are brilliant and handle great. The Turner has really made a huge difference to my riding and I love the thing. Plus, they gave me a shirt and beer glass :cool:

In the end, you may as well flip a coin or take into consideration other factors (customer service, spares availability, price) because while the bikes ride differently there's sweet FA between them in terms of overall performance.

Jeremy R · Sep 20, 2005

To the original poster:
I don't think you are gonna get an answer on this from these boards.
There are too many variables. Old DHR's with Romics do not feel anything like the new one with the DHX. Sunday's without the proper tune, do not feel anything like one with a proper tune etc....
For '06 both bikes are coming with the DHX, I would test ride them both and decide then. Good choices by the way, those are my two favorite DH sleds by far.

DHDror · Sep 20, 2005

MX 887 said:
Thanks great info. I was a little worried because of the low bb on the Sunday however it is still sweet. Also how noticeable was the shortening wheelbase of the DHR in real tech sections.
Thanks

well , for me , coming off a BB7 it was very noticeable !
With the Sunday the wheel base stays constant , at least it feals that way , but the BB7 was still better over square edge bumps.

Oh , and the DHR I demoed was with the DHX 5.0 and the Sunday I demoed were with the wrong shock tune and were crap but I picked the Sunday anyway and based what I wrote here upon riding my own bike before and after the shock tune.

BTW , I have another suggestion for a frame for you - the Ventana El-Cuervo - another sweet ride .
I demoed it last Interbike (Go-Ride Scott's own bike) and was very impressed - it felt like a great play bike that can go realy fast , the BB is higher than of the DHR and the bike feels super solid .

black noise · Sep 20, 2005

I rode a 04 Bighit for over a year, and I'm now riding a 04 DHR (with a Romic).

The DHR has a steeper head angle, and can be pumped and hopped through stuff, and also pushed into corners a lot better (obviously). The BBs are both pretty low. The whole DHR frame is lower and feels much more racy, like it wants to go fast and rail through corners. The pedalling eficciency is slightly worse than the BigHit.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

edit: It's also super easy to jump (as opposed to something like the v10). A little tougher than the Bighit, but easy nonetheless.

DHJay · Sep 20, 2005

MX 887 said:
Not sure if it has already been said but how much would a 2006 white factory Sunday frame cost?

White Sunday frame???
I'm also shopping around for a new frame for next yr and if there coming in white then my search is over.

Seriously thou, both frames are awesome. Two of my friends have the DHR and a Sunday and they both swear by them. You can't go wrong with either one of them.

CBJ · Sep 20, 2005

DHJay its the US Frame that you can get in white for 2006. Its old news spend some time online and not at Cosco shopping for Samual Adams Octoberfest.

bizutch · Sep 20, 2005

Acadian said:
.... And like DHdror pointed outthe faster you go, the better the Sunday performs......?

so you're saying your bike rides like crap......... :love:

Red Bull · Sep 20, 2005

MX 887 said:
good deal the sunday is looking mighty impressive.
Such a tough decision.
Any pics of the white factory frame :heart:
Also the factory one was slightly lighter and stronger than the world cup frames. I think I read that somehwere correct me if I am wrong
Thanks

I am SO all over white...

Sponsorhouse please do not let me down...

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Acadian · Sep 20, 2005

bizutch said:
so you're saying your bike rides like crap......... :love:

crap has never felt so good...that warm fuzzy feeling like nothing else can procure!!

Sherpa · Sep 20, 2005

Acadian said:
Which also has a forward wheel path which means it will not absorb square edge hits as efficiently as the Sunday (parabolic shaped path)

Actually, I think the Sunday has a more forward wheel path at the beginning of the travel than the DHR.

Acadian · Sep 20, 2005

Sherpa said:
Actually, I think the Sunday has a more forward wheel path at the beginning of the travel than the DHR.

if I'm not mistaking, rearward path is just near and above sag.

Sherpa · Sep 20, 2005

Acadian said:
if I'm not mistaking, rearward path is just near and above sag.

Yea, both axle paths are quite close, with the Sunday braking better. Anyone know about pedal feedback?

konabiker · Sep 20, 2005

I'm in the same situation right now. I've narrowed it down to these 2 bikes for next year and will pretty much be getting the one that I can get the best deal on. Both seem to fit my riding style well. If I could choose flat out not depending on cost I would get a sunday.

BigDawd · Sep 20, 2005

Having ridden both I can say it's totally up to personal preference. I think the sunday pedal's better all around. The dhr isn't soft by any means but just not as sharp here.

Suspension action is a little different between the bikes. I find the Sunday is a little more linear throughout it's travel where the dhr has more progression. Sunday likes to sit deeper in it's travel (30-33%) where I think the DHR works better nearer the 25% mark (keeps the suspension in it's upper/more linear range for square edge suppleness). The sunday feels like it eats high speed rocks/roots/roughness a little better at speed (less harsh feedback by using more travel) where the dhr is better at absorbing the big hits without as harsh bottoming.

DHR is a little steeper/faster steering and is great in the tight stuff but can feel twitchy in the steeps. Sunday is better at speed and feels very planted. Both are very quick to respond to rider inputs and both handle great (low CG helps both here). I feel like I have slightly better front end feedback with the sunday but that could be entirely front end setup.

Overall, not sure you can go wrong. Like I said, preference here. I honestly like the sunday better just because I feel it's a little more agile out there. Follows a line like it's on rails. Suspension action is spot on. Love the bike.

Get whatever you like. No going wrong with either one. :thumb:

Red Bull · Sep 20, 2005

Wow. This is the first "which bike" thread that has turned out well.

I applaud you Chris.

Jeremy R · Sep 20, 2005

Red Bull said:
Wow. This is the first "which bike" thread that has turned out well.

I applaud you Chris.

Its because you are comparing two great handling rigs that both designers put a ton of time into.
When you have a bunch of happy owners things stay civil.

bballe336 · Sep 20, 2005

konabiker said:
I'm in the same situation right now. I've narrowed it down to these 2 bikes for next year and will pretty much be getting the one that I can get the best deal on. Both seem to fit my riding style well. If I could choose flat out not depending on cost I would get a sunday.

well the dhr will probably be cheaper. but get the sunday. you dont want to ride something that isn't your absolute favorite bikes. you will probably regret getting the dhr if you want the sunday real bad.

Eurotrash · Sep 21, 2005

you wont be pedaling through rock gardens with a sunday! the bb is way too low for that, I'm not sure bout the turner but I don't think it's much higher.

dw · Sep 21, 2005

Sherpa said:
Actually, I think the Sunday has a more forward wheel path at the beginning of the travel than the DHR.

The Sunday axle path is more rearward than the DHR, and still rearward at the 50% travel point.

Jm_ · Sep 21, 2005

dw said:
The Sunday axle path is more rearward than the DHR, and still rearward at the 50% travel point.

So is the Azonic World Force VR-1. I wonder how close it is to the DW link...or is it the other way around?

dw · Sep 21, 2005

Jm_ said:
So is the Azonic World Force VR-1. I wonder how close it is to the DW link...or is it the other way around?

LOL!!!!

dw-link VS Karpiel/ Worldforce. They could not be further apart. Not like that hasn't been discussed about 20X here... :thumb:

Hey, how about you come to Interbike at the Iron Horse booth 2PM on the first day of the show and learn so you don't have to blindly speculate so much. That might be helpful for you.

bizutch · Sep 21, 2005

dw said:
The Sunday axle path is more rearward than the DHR, and still rearward at the 50% travel point.

you're biting your tongue right now and secretly dying to write a long essay in this thread aren't you.... :blah:

Hey, Acadian...I meant your bike rides like crap cause you can't get it up to speed where it would actually ride good....

I'm reading alot of these comments and having a tough time buying into the arguments for either bike to be any better than the other. The thing that just glares is that you've all ridden completely different front and rear suspendsion on each bike and I haven't read a single argument that states they rode both bikes with the same front and rear shock on them.
The suspension is the key to how well they perform b/c the geometry's, weights and angles of both are very similar. Even the type of fork you choose can change the geometry on one or the other.
The only truly accurate critique I would be inclined to listen to would be that of someone who has ridden both bikes in the same weekend with the same fork and shock on both bikes tuned to them specificly for their riding style and the type of terrain they are riding. Otherwise, there are too many variables to discern which rides better.

You can setup both of these bikes to ride virtually identical.....tie goes to the runner. :love:

dw · Sep 21, 2005

bizutch said:
you're biting your tongue right now and secretly dying to write a long essay in this thread aren't you....

hell no, you guys know I love both those bikes. Both just awesome DH frames. Seriously, you can't really lose with either.

Acadian · Sep 21, 2005

bizutch said:
Hey, Acadian...I meant your bike rides like crap cause you can't get it up to speed where it would actually ride good....

OHHHHHHHH - thanks for pointing that out...I really hadn't caught on to what you were trying to say... :rolleyes:

bizutch said:
You can setup both of these bikes to ride virtually identical.....tie goes to the runner. :love:

I've owned both and I've also use both bike with the EXACT same damper. So I beg to differ... They have their differences.

Arguing over these forums is getting oldno matter what you say there will always be naysayers. Some will agree, some wont!

I will be riding the Sunday again next year - should be an indication as to how much I like this bike. This will be the first time I ever ride the same bike two years in a row (other than when I had my DHi, but that was my FIRST DH bike...wasn't sure if I would like DHing at the time).

Heck, I love this bike so much that I'm thinking of getting an MK III for trail riding and see how the DW-Link performs for aggressive trail riding. Really want to test it in parallel with the 5-spot, which at this point is the best trail riding bike Ive ever owned.

Jm_ · Sep 21, 2005

dw said:
LOL!!!!

dw-link VS Karpiel/ Worldforce. They could not be further apart. Not like that hasn't been discussed about 20X here...

Maybe, but with the axle path maped out, it fit your criteria of being "rearward at 50%"...

manhattanprjkt83 · Sep 21, 2005

dw said:
The Sunday axle path is more rearward than the DHR, and still rearward at the 50% travel point.

what the hell do you know :thumb:

who is this joker?

:think:

Jeremy R · Sep 21, 2005

Acadian said:
Really want to test it in parallel with the 5-spot, which at this point is the best trail riding bike Ive ever owned.

No doubt.
Looking at trail riding/5 spot and DH racing/DHR, I like the 5-spot better. It really does make the perfect trail bike for me with no bad habits at all and sweet geometry.
Those new MKIII's look sweet and very similar to a 5-spot geometry wise though.

dw · Sep 21, 2005

Jm_ said:
Maybe, but with the axle path maped out, it fit your criteria of being "rearward at 50%"...

OK... So does a BB7 and a lot of other single pivot and link bikes.. Where are you trying to go with that? Someone asked a direct question, I answered it directly.

If you were trying to insinuate that dw-link is somehow a copy of an Azonic Worldorce it would be both unfounded and asinine, but I know you know a lot better than that, so I guess your motives are just misunderstood.

dw · Sep 21, 2005

manhattanprjkt83 said:
what the hell do you know

who is this joker?

just doin my job!

bizutch · Sep 21, 2005

Acadian said:
.....I've owned both and I've also use both bike with the EXACT same damper. So I beg to differ... They have their differences. .

how so? which shock? :confused:

Acadian said:
.....Arguing over these forums is getting old.....

sounds like somebody's getting that end of season agrression thing again....

neaky:

Acadian said:
.....I will be riding the Sunday again next year - should be an indication as to how much I like this bike. ......

especially considering you've only had it what 12 weeks???? :evil:

just picking with you Luc...hope it worked... :thumb:

oly · Sep 21, 2005

Acadian said:
Arguing over these forums is getting oldno matter what you say there will always be naysayers. Some will agree, some wont!

.

I disagree. or wait do i agree? I better find a thread that tells me what I want to think.............

manhattanprjkt83 · Sep 21, 2005

dw said:
just doin my job!

hire my buddy palilla and let him do it :thumb:

Acadian · Sep 21, 2005

bizutch said:
how so? which shock?

bizutch said:
especially considering you've only had it what 12 weeks???? :evil:

All you need to e-test a bike is basic knowledge of how to use a keyboard + 12 seconds.

Eurotrash · Sep 21, 2005

nice!

klunky · Sep 21, 2005

Ok Im going to chime in. I love my Sunday! I have never ridden a turner but I think they look good.
I have ridden a fair few DH bikes in my time and the Sunday is by far the best handling bike yet. It pedals sooo nice and the geom is so spot on. It kind of feels like you are sitting in the bike rather than on it of you know what I mean.
It gave me more confidence in my riding (sounds like BS I know but its not) it just feels like what ever I do at what ever speed the bike can take it. I have not found its limits yet because I wimp out way before the bike does!

So far my only problems with the bike is

a: The paint is not so good (an issue which is now resolved)
b: I had to change a couple if bits over (shock pins and shock bush and a shock retune) All of those things were given free of charge in super fast time but it was a pain.
c: I like DW link so much I dont think I can buy another bike again infact I am selling my hartail to by a hollowpoint!

Klunky

oly · Sep 21, 2005

Acadian said:
All you need to e-test a bike is basic knowledge of how to use a keyboard + 12 seconds.

Thats clearly not the same shock.

One has a Grey spring, the other black, also the hoses come out of the shock different and have different colored wraps.

:mumble: :thumb:

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